Five Round Mock with Boldin Traded to the Titans

[cgolden]

Check out Draft-Tek's latest mock that has a "what if" scenario with the Cardinals trading Anquan Boldin to the Titans for their first and third round picks. That gives the Cardinals five picks in the top 100 including back to back picks in the first and third. Not a bad haul for Q, but let's see how the mock turns out.....

• 1a: Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE) - Cincinati: Talk about a prospect who's flying up the charts. The guy has only played DE for one season after being a TE earlier in his career, but he still recorded 11 sacks. He's a tremendous athlete and has a ton of upside.
• 1b: Chris Wells (RB) - Ohio State: We all know about Beanie and say what you want about him but if the Cardinals come out of the first round with a bonafide pass rusher and a franchise back, I'm dancing in the streets.
• 2: William Moore (FS) - Missouri: Not sure I like a safety this high but he's a first round talent who had a bad senior season. He's definite upgrade over Francisco and rounds out what would be an awful good secondary.
• 3a: Kraig Urbik (G) - Wisconsin: If you don't know about this guy, you should. He's the kind of OL that Grimm dreams about at night. Built like a fire hydrant and acts like a bull dozer in the running game. He gives Lutui a serious run for his money from day one.
• 3b: Antoine Caldwell (C) - Alabama: Eh, experienced center who needs to get stronger. Quick feet, mobile but needs to hit the weights sounds to much like Lyle.
• 4: Jason Phillips (ILB) - TCU: Not a great LB and won't help in year one at all after tearing his ACL right before Pro Day, but he's got some talent. Not phyisically gifted but an experienced LB who's made his share of big plays. Sounds like a Biesel clone to me.
• 5: Brandon Hughes (CB) - Oregon State: Another eh pick but it's value at this point. Came to college at WR but ended up starting 40 games at CB. Decent size (5'11 182) and good speed (4.4 at combine) but was never really great at Oregon State.

So what do you think is a one and a three enough?


Posted word for word from Revenge of the Birds.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Barwin is really starting to grow on me. He could be our pick.

Plus for those who like to draft for need, he fills 3 of them

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Barwin, according to the concensus on the NFL Network is a talented - PROJECT. None see him selected before the second round.

I want a immediate contributor with a first round pick.

Again, the consensus on Wells is that he'll be the first RB off the board, and not available at 31.

 

[cgolden]

Barwin, according to the concensus on the NFL Network is a talented - PROJECT. None see him selected before the second round.

I want a immediate contributor with a first round pick.

Again, the consensus on Wells is that he'll be the first RB off the board, and not available at 31.

Barwin is flying up the boards though so I wouldn't rule him out as a late first early second guy. Especially with Sintim and English having subpar workouts so far.

 

[ARZCardinals]

no projects please before the 5th round. I want guys that have played the same position since pee wee football. i want guys that have MASTERED the ONE POSITION.

A Master of one is better than a jack of all trades.

The players like Matt Jones - freak coming out of college but no real position never work out. These 'slash' guys are talented athletes but not great football players.

And no to the trade of Q.

I don't get these players 'FLYING UP THE BOARDS' ...WHY!!!?! Because they can WORKOUT and JUMP HIGH during the freaking combine! They couldn't play worth a damn during Saturday's...why the hell would they be all of a sudden great players on Sundays.

That entire philosophy that a player works out great but didn't produce on Saturdays and they should still be drafted is ignorant.

I want players and ONLY PLAYERS who were GREAT on SATURDAY. I don't care if they lifted half the weight of some freak who didn't have half the production.

On the field stats is what matters....and character.

 

[cgolden]

no projects please before the 5th round. I want guys that have played the same position since pee wee football. i want guys that have MASTERED the ONE POSITION.

A Master of one is better than a jack of all trades.

The players like Matt Jones - freak coming out of college but no real position never work out. These 'slash' guys are talented athletes but not great football players.

And no to the trade of Q.

I don't get these players 'FLYING UP THE BOARDS' ...WHY!!!?! Because they can WORKOUT and JUMP HIGH during the freaking combine! They couldn't play worth a damn during Saturday's...why the hell would they be all of a sudden great players on Sundays.

That entire philosophy that a player works out great but didn't produce on Saturdays and they should still be drafted is ignorant.

I want players and ONLY PLAYERS who were GREAT on SATURDAY. I don't care if they lifted half the weight of some freak who didn't have half the production.

On the field stats is what matters....and character.

College defenses don't use a 3-4. To get 3-4 backers at the pro level, you have to draft college DE's. That's the only way. The top OLB prospects in every draft (Orakpo, E Brown, Maybin) have never played with their hand off the ground for any extended period of time. Don't look at one guy like Matt "Cocaine" Jones and write off every single player who moved positions after college. Look at the Steelers or Chargers draft history and see how many great OLB's were college DE's.

 

[Zeno]

College defenses don't use a 3-4. To get 3-4 backers at the pro level, you have to draft college DE's. That's the only way. The top OLB prospects in every draft (Orakpo, E Brown, Maybin) have never played with their hand off the ground for any extended period of time. Don't look at one guy like Matt "Cocaine" Jones and write off every single player who moved positions after college. Look at the Steelers or Chargers draft history and see how many great OLB's were college DE's.

Look at the Steelers and Chargers and see how many of their OLB were first round picks or even early second rounders.

The Cardinals aren't in a position to draft projects in round 1...a guy with 1 year of experience as a DE does nothing for me.

Is Larry English or Clint Sintim a worse player now than they were when the season ended? Workouts skew numbers in a lot of ways...workout numbers should be tie breakers not make-or-breakers.

 

[WildBB]

Check out Draft-Tek's latest mock that has a "what if" scenario with the Cardinals trading Anquan Boldin to the Titans for their first and third round picks. That gives the Cardinals five picks in the top 100 including back to back picks in the first and third. Not a bad haul for Q, but let's see how the mock turns out.....

• 1a: Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE) - Cincinati: Talk about a prospect who's flying up the charts. The guy has only played DE for one season after being a TE earlier in his career, but he still recorded 11 sacks. He's a tremendous athlete and has a ton of upside.
• 1b: Chris Wells (RB) - Ohio State: We all know about Beanie and say what you want about him but if the Cardinals come out of the first round with a bonafide pass rusher and a franchise back, I'm dancing in the streets.
• 2: William Moore (FS) - Missouri: Not sure I like a safety this high but he's a first round talent who had a bad senior season. He's definite upgrade over Francisco and rounds out what would be an awful good secondary.
• 3a: Kraig Urbik (G) - Wisconsin: If you don't know about this guy, you should. He's the kind of OL that Grimm dreams about at night. Built like a fire hydrant and acts like a bull dozer in the running game. He gives Lutui a serious run for his money from day one.
• 3b: Antoine Caldwell (C) - Alabama: Eh, experienced center who needs to get stronger. Quick feet, mobile but needs to hit the weights sounds to much like Lyle.
• 4: Jason Phillips (ILB) - TCU: Not a great LB and won't help in year one at all after tearing his ACL right before Pro Day, but he's got some talent. Not phyisically gifted but an experienced LB who's made his share of big plays. Sounds like a Biesel clone to me.
• 5: Brandon Hughes (CB) - Oregon State: Another eh pick but it's value at this point. Came to college at WR but ended up starting 40 games at CB. Decent size (5'11 182) and good speed (4.4 at combine) but was never really great at Oregon State.

So what do you think is a one and a three enough?


Posted word for word from Revenge of the Birds.

Nice if it (draft)worked out that way, it hardly ever does. I like a lot of different prospects though. I say we trade down a bit. Not a lot.

But unless some serious muleheadedness occurs w/ Anquan and his agent a deal is going to get done. we'll just have to live with the Quan. I can deal with that.

 

[DoTheDew]

I like that draft, but I REALLY don't think Wells lasts to #31, and probably not the Titans pick either. I think it would be more realistic to substitute Wells with McCoy or D Brown

 

[Chopper0080]

I'd rather go

1a-Clay Matthews - OLB
1b-Donald Brown - RB
2-Conner Barwin - OLB
3a-Louis Delmas - FS
3b-Eric Wood - C
4-Kyle Moore - DE
5-Joel Bell - OT
6-Bruce Johnson - CB

 

[seesred]

Phillips( coming off major injury and did'nt do much at the college level) and Hughes, I personally would not draft. They could be signed after the draft, if we wanted them. As for a RB I relly hope we get Brown. We are not going to have the option for wells. And to the point, if Q was signed I would want picks as well as a starter in a position of need.

GBR
470

 

[Chris_Sanders]

With 5 picks in rounds 1-3 I can't see us not taking a LB.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Whiz 1st rounder draft picks are project players, a guy like Barwin is not out of the question with #31.

 

[Buckybird]

Barwin is flying up the boards though so I wouldn't rule him out as a late first early second guy. Especially with Sintim and English having subpar workouts so far.

Forget the workouts!!! Watch the game tape, English and Sintim are playmakers and both are suited to play in a 3-4. Trade Boldin for a mid-1st and we can get both. These 2 guys can change the Cards defense and help finish what we started last season.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Whiz 1st rounder draft picks are project players, a guy like Barwin is not out of the question with #31.

Whiz has been involved in one draft as a head coach. While one can argue that every player is somewhat of a "project" the buzz around DRC coming out of the Senior Bowl and Combine was that he had all the tools to be a "star". The only caveat was that he came from a small school.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Forget the workouts!!! Watch the game tape, English and Sintim are playmakers and both are suited to play in a 3-4. Trade Boldin for a mid-1st and we can get both. These 2 guys can change the Cards defense and help finish what we started last season.

I'll take one and keep Boldin...

 

[WildBB]

Forget the workouts!!! Watch the game tape, English and Sintim are playmakers and both are suited to play in a 3-4. Trade Boldin for a mid-1st and we can get both. These 2 guys can change the Cards defense and help finish what we started last season.

It's not just the workouts that have Barwin on teams' 1st round radar now. It's the combination of being a play maker and his off the charts workouts. Look at what DRC accomplished last season. And you can make a stronger case for the competition in the Big East then whatever conference Cromartie or English for that matter played in.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

It's not just the workouts that have Barwin on teams' 1st round radar now. It's the combination of being a play maker and his off the charts workouts. Look at what DRC accomplished last season. And you can make a stronger case for the competition in the Big East then whatever conference Cromartie or English for that matter played in.

I get most of my fix on the draft from the NFL Network, and there is no mention of him as first rounder there. So, who are teams indicating that Barwin is a potential first rounder?

 

[WildBB]

I get most of my fix on the draft from the NFL Network, and there is no mention of him as first rounder there. So, who are teams indicating that Barwin is a potential first rounder?

A definate interest is being shown by Baltimore and Rex Ryan now HC of the Jets loves him and he's a pretty good evaluator of defensive talent. I'll try to find some links. But mainly they were gushing at his pro day. If he's not off the board in the 1st Cincinnati is a pretty a sure fire bet to take him off the board as Lewis really likes him and he's a local. The Patriots have the 2nd pick in the second round and like him a lot too.

http://buf.scout.com/a.z?s=24&p=2&c=849090

 

[Crazy Canuck]

A definate interest is being shown by Baltimore and Rex Ryan now HC of the Jets loves him and he's a pretty good evaluator of defensive talent. I'll try to find some links. But mainly they were gushing at his pro day. If he's not off the board in the 1st Cincinnati is a pretty a sure fire bet to take him off the board as Lewis really likes him and he's a local. The Patriots have the 2nd pick in the first round and like him a lot too.

http://buf.scout.com/a.z?s=24&p=2&c=849090

A most DEFINITE thank you for the info...

 

[CardinalChris]

Barwin, according to the concensus on the NFL Network is a talented - PROJECT. None see him selected before the second round.

I want a immediate contributor with a first round pick.

Again, the consensus on Wells is that he'll be the first RB off the board, and not available at 31.

Our first pick is essentially a second round pick.

 

[cgolden]

A definate interest is being shown by Baltimore and Rex Ryan now HC of the Jets loves him and he's a pretty good evaluator of defensive talent. I'll try to find some links. But mainly they were gushing at his pro day. If he's not off the board in the 1st Cincinnati is a pretty a sure fire bet to take him off the board as Lewis really likes him and he's a local. The Patriots have the 2nd pick in the second round and like him a lot too.

http://buf.scout.com/a.z?s=24&p=2&c=849090

Yea, I'm almost positive that I read somewhere that the Patriots were bringing him in for a workout. If they're seriously considering him with the 34th overall pick, is it really a stretch to pick him with the 31st (or 30th in his situation)?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Our first pick is essentially a second round pick.

Well, in REALITY it isn't, and there will be talent with a first round grade available when we select. Barwin, at this point is graded as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Anyway, this is a bit of a fool's errrand given that the teams will be setting their own boards over the next two weeks.

 

[lauraw]

great mock.. I only object to your1apick[bpa,]not a projectplayer.and 2.they need to be olb-ilb..for our 1a we will take a big time PROVEN DE-dt LBhybrid, whicheveristhe best athlete-Ayers, tenn.? or the insideol we need so badly-- Mack, unger.1b..Wells and moreno will be long gone unfortunately or that's how i'd pick them, but donald brown has a chance to be there and is very impressive. I forgot when in the 2nd round we pick but if i were certain i could get mcCoy then, ...no i'd take him with the last#1 if brown, and of course wells moreno were gone.3ais a good pick and 3b needs to be BPA once again, and someone will fall somewhere in this draft right into our lapsthat the steellers are shedding blood for but we will get him instead!live well and dream well with your picks!!!!