Floyd is trade bait..

[Chopper0080]

1) I'm a huge Michael Floyd fan and supporter. I think he's criminally underrated by this board b/c he's a first-round WR who didn't become Fitz or Boldin. Really, he's ended up in four seasons the WR that we hoped Bryant Johnson would develop into. He's probably never going to get into the rarefied air of A.J. Green and Antonio Smith, but he'll be an above-average #1 in the right system — like a bigger Jeremy Maclin.

2) That said, it would be criminal of Keim not to poke around and see if a trade is available. Floyd is in the last year of his contract; they'll either have to extend him for more money or lose him next offseason. If traded for a draft pick, that prospect will have four or five years on his current deal at a fraction of what Floyd is making now or will make in the years to come.

3) Targeting certain prospects right now is a fool's errand. I think there's a steep drop-off after the first half-dozen picks (maybe eight if you include the quarterbacks), and there's no reason to think the guy you take at 40 won't be as good or better than the guy who's selected at 12.

1-I have actually come around a bit on Floyd. The question is do the Cardinals value him as a WR at the cost that it will take to keep him? I don't know that. I don't believe I would pay him 8 mil per year. If I could extend him for 5 years and 30 mil, I would be good with that.

2-If they aren't willing to pay Floyd 6 mil per year, and they do not want to franchise him, I agree, they probably should make a move. I don't even believe the Cards would need to draft a WR this year if they did. Accumulating cheap, cost controlled assets is key a long term success.

3-I think you have to target certain players where you see a drop off occurring. We see player x as a significantly better player than the next ranked player, if he is available here at this spot, we have set the groundwork for a trade up. the trade up conversation on draft day should always be, where does the talent drop off, and what is that player worth.

 

[Ohcrap75]

I'm having a hard time getting behind trading Floyd. If we move up in round one we will lose a big piece of our offense and could be looking at John Brown, Jaron Brown and JJ Nelson as our starting WR's in 2017. Or if they use him to move up for Treadwell/Doctson, were only gaining the control of a similarly talented player for an extra four years, but also losing the chance to draft a quality player at 29. Neither scenario looks too appetizing to me.

 

[Chopper0080]

Okay, this isn't stunning. I posted the other day the Cards have been concerned with the way Floyd disappears in too many games. It seems more likely they'd move up than pick up another pick. Still they won't get much of a move from Floyd who's in his walk year. He doesn't seem likely to be worth a tag. I certainly don't see moving up to take a center. A pass rusher or CB would make more sense, but in the end this doesn't seem worth the trouble.

This is where I fall. I don't really see the value in the players who the Cards would probably want to take. Are Eli Apple or William Jackson really worth the cost of moving up? Myles Jack? Jarran Reed? Vernon Butler?

My end thoughts on the matter are...you either trade up to #6 or #8 but you would only do that if you could make the deal for #29 and Michael Floyd. OR, you are trading up to #16 or later, and you would be doing so with the ida of getting a 2nd rounder back. I'm not sure either of these are likely.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Okay, this isn't stunning. I posted the other day the Cards have been concerned with the way Floyd disappears in too many games. It seems more likely they'd move up than pick up another pick. Still they won't get much of a move from Floyd who's in his walk year. He doesn't seem likely to be worth a tag. I certainly don't see moving up to take a center. A pass rusher or CB would make more sense, but in the end this doesn't seem worth the trouble.

I'm with ya here. I want to make one more great run with our super loaded offense and even though Floyd's never going to be a superstar, he's an imposing figure for the D to have to worry about alongside all our other weapons.

 

[WildBB]

I'm with ya here. I want to make one more great run with our super loaded offense and even though Floyd's never going to be a superstar, he's an imposing figure for the D to have to worry about alongside all our other weapons.

Yes, but what is he worth to keep? What are the plans for Fitz If we still don't win it all?

It's mtl a no brainer for second IF they can get Martin or someone comparable. That is what they'd target, imo. Possibly anpther WR.

 

[Shane]

I call BS

 

[WildBB]

I call BS

Maybe, but it still makes sense considering some glaring holes yet to fill, and his contract situation.

 

[BigRedRage]

always a rumor about floyd, so far nothing of fruition.

 

[Goldfield]

I'd believe Campbell gets traded before Floyd

 

[Goldfield]

I have a hard time thinking any team is going to be willing to give up a #2 for Floyd knowing that they will also then need to sign him to a hefty deal.

I know the Cardinals did just that with Jones, however the same premium is not put on WRs as pass rushers. I think they'd be looking at getting a 4th rd pick or maybe at best another late #3 in return.

I don't think it's worth it unless they have already made up their minds that they have no inentions or re-signing him.

This is how I feel

 

[PJ1]

Would be a mistake in my opinion. Fitz may go after this season. We need Floyd and get very small on the outside without him.

 

[Mitch]

The Cardinals may have a better chance of trading WR Michael Floyd this year because there is quite a drop-off in talent at WR in the draft after roughly the first 7-8 prospects. Overall, it is one of the weaker drafts at WR in recent years.

That said, draft trades for players who are in the last year of their contracts are very difficult because it behooves the team trading for the player to sign that player to a long-term contract---and thus to be negotiating with an agent during the draft can be time-consuming and distracting. Yes, any team would have the f-tag as a buffer, but how many teams would be able to absorb Floyd's $7.2M under the caps, or think so highly of him that they could envision using the f-tag on him?

I think there are some teams who might very well be interested---Baltimore, Miami, Cincinnati, Oakland, Cleveland, Tennessee---especially if they miss out on one of the top 7-8 WRs in the draft, but, by then it would be at late Day 2 or Day 3 trade and would it be worth it for the Cardinals at that point?

What one may wonder is whether this means the Cardinals are seriously considering taking a WR with one of their first two picks?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I bet Catmans sources are telling him were trading Floyd to Minny for AD by the end of tomorrow.

No way... the draft is not on Wednesday lol

 

[Shane]

Maybe, but it still makes sense considering some glaring holes yet to fill, and his contract situation.

Fitz is in his last year. Trading Floyd would be dumb. He isn't going to be THAT expensive.. JMO

 

[Jetstream Green]

So what someone is saying, we trade Floyd and then have to use that pick all over again for a draft pick to replace him which as all draft picks is a question mark...

 

[Buckybird]

Fitz is in his last year.

Not necessarily...unless we hoist the Lomardi.
Just because he proved he's not just another WR, don't be running his ass out of town yet Copper

I really believe Fitz won't retire til Palmer leaves.

 

[Buckybird]

So what someone is saying, we trade Floyd and then have to use that pick all over again for a draft pick to replace him which as all draft picks is a question mark...

I think the reality is they're not gonna resign him to big buck$, so he's likely gonna walk or be sent away.

 

[Cardiac]

Fitz is playing coy about what he wants to do after this season but if he wants to keep playing it will be for the Cards and it will be hard to afford him and Floyd. If Fitz has hinted he wants to re-sign with the Cards after this year then it would behoove the Cards to see what trade value they could get for Floyd.

It would have to be good to great value IMO because we would probably get a 3rd rd comp pick for Floyd if he leaves via FA in 2017.

 

[Buckybird]

The Cardinals may have a better chance of trading WR Michael Floyd this year because there is quite a drop-off in talent at WR in the draft after roughly the first 7-8 prospects. Overall, it is one of the weaker drafts at WR in recent years.

That said, draft trades for players who are in the last year of their contracts are very difficult because it behooves the team trading for the player to sign that player to a long-term contract---and thus to be negotiating with an agent during the draft can be time-consuming and distracting. Yes, any team would have the f-tag as a buffer, but how many teams would be able to absorb Floyd's $7.2M under the caps, or think so highly of him that they could envision using the f-tag on him?

I think there are some teams who might very well be interested---Baltimore, Miami, Cincinnati, Oakland, Cleveland, Tennessee---especially if they miss out on one of the top 7-8 WRs in the draft, but, by then it would be at late Day 2 or Day 3 trade and would it be worth it for the Cardinals at that point?

What one may wonder is whether this means the Cardinals are seriously considering taking a WR with one of their first two picks?

If they do unload him, wouldn't it likely be a bigger WR they added if they drafted one? Guys like Treadwell, Pharoh Cooper (whom I luv), Michael Thomas, Miller & Payton come to mind.

 

[Mitch]

If they do unload him, wouldn't it likely be a bigger WR they added if they drafted one? Guys like Treadwell, Pharoh Cooper (whom I luv), Michael Thomas, Miller & Payton come to mind.

I actually think the reverse...with two deep threats in Smoke and Fire, I think they want a nifty slot WR like Sterling Shepard or Braxton Miller. I also think they like Jaron Brown as a longer WR.

 

[Buckybird]

I actually think the reverse...with two deep threats in Smoke and Fire, I think they want a nifty slot WR like Sterling Shepard or Braxton Miller. I also think they like Jaron Brown as a longer WR.

Maybe so, but who's gonna throw those devastating blocks that BA likes if Floyd is traded & Fitz hangs them up after the year which I don't think he will.

Stop getting me salivating about that thought of Shepard or Miller wearing red lol

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like Floyd as much as anyone but I can see the Cards trying to move him. Hopefully, they know Fitz's plans because to trade Floyd AND have Fitz retire after this year would quickly turn a strength into a weakness. The Brown's and Nelson are not #1 WR's.

 

[splitsecond]

It's all misdirection, fodder and gamesmanship. But if someone offered the moon for Floyd they can and would take it.

 

[cardncubfan]

The Cardinals may have a better chance of trading WR Michael Floyd this year because there is quite a drop-off in talent at WR in the draft after roughly the first 7-8 prospects. Overall, it is one of the weaker drafts at WR in recent years.

That said, draft trades for players who are in the last year of their contracts are very difficult because it behooves the team trading for the player to sign that player to a long-term contract---and thus to be negotiating with an agent during the draft can be time-consuming and distracting. Yes, any team would have the f-tag as a buffer, but how many teams would be able to absorb Floyd's $7.2M under the caps, or think so highly of him that they could envision using the f-tag on him?

I think there are some teams who might very well be interested---Baltimore, Miami, Cincinnati, Oakland, Cleveland, Tennessee---especially if they miss out on one of the top 7-8 WRs in the draft, but, by then it would be at late Day 2 or Day 3 trade and would it be worth it for the Cardinals at that point?

What one may wonder is whether this means the Cardinals are seriously considering taking a WR with one of their first two picks?

New England is where I'm thinking he would go.

 

[Buckybird]

New England is where I'm thinking he would go.

They rarely pay WRs so I wouldn't think so