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Mainstreet said:
I guess I just took offense that Miami is that much better than us. I know the East is weaker... but if Miami can make it to the conference finals with the addition of Karl Malone, so can we. However, it's true it would be easier for Karl to start for Miami. I am not a Karl Malone fan but I threw it out there as an option.

Go Suns. :thumbup:

I'm not conceding anything to any one this year.

It sounds like you understand my point. On the Heat Malone gets to start and they play in a generally weaker conference. IMHO, while the Heat are likely to finish in the top three in the East, they would be lucky to make the playoffs in the West.

How much harder is it in the West? Ask Baron Davis why he wants to leave a team that finished 5th in the East last season.
 

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Has anyone heard the story on the playoff seedings with the new alignment... will the three division winners be seeded 1-2-3 or is it going to be strictly on the basis of W-L record?

As for the Suns, I like the array of talent we have, too, but where is the team defense going to suddenly spring up from? Without a major improvement in that over last year we'll struggle to make the playoffs - and that's assuming that the offense improves significantly.
 

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Why wouldn't the Old Mail Bag start?

C- Amare
PF- Malone
SF- MArion......

If Malone was at the 4 there is no reason why Amare couldn't play center.

Wouldn't be a good move though in the long run. IMHO :shrug:
 

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If Malone were to come here and start, he'd be playing center - he has so much more beef than Amare. Frankly, I'd love to see the Mailman in a Suns uniform - he's always been my favorite player (forgive me - I grew up in Utah)... :D
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr

Miami is better than us. Wade will be a stud, and Shaq has already lost near 25 pounds. They won't have the depth we have, but if they stay healthy and Shaq stays motivated, they would beat us in a 7 game series.


Shawn, JJ, Barbosa and Amare are already studs! :)

I disagree with the premise that Miami, at least on paper, is better than us, except Shaq. If his toe hurts this year, they could be in trouble.

I will give you, Shaq is a franchise player if healthy and could carry his team far unless the league decides to call fouls like in the Olympics. :D
 

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I disagree with the premise that Miami, at least on paper, is better than us, except Shaq.

That's like saying that, except for Chicago, Illinois doesn't have as many people as Massachusetts.
 

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elindholm said:
I disagree with the premise that Miami, at least on paper, is better than us, except Shaq.

That's like saying that, except for Chicago, Illinois doesn't have as many people as Massachusetts.


I was trying to give credit to Miami where credit is due, they do have a franchise player in Shaq. Clearly Miami has a better center on paper and on the court than Phoenix.

Maybe I should have just said, on paper the Suns have a better team than Miami. :D
 

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Supposedly Shaq has lost a lot of weight and is pretty good condition (for him at least). So unless the refs start calling him when he bulls over people in the low block, he should have a huge year on team that will feed the low post every time down the court.

I'm not sure that gets the Heat past the Pistons, but they will be a matchup nightmare with the rest of East. Look at some of his stats against Eastern conference opponents last season:

Cleveland - 1 game 37 points on 66.7% shooting
Toronto - 2 games 29.5 ppg on 68.8%
Washington - one game 29 points on 76.5%
Milwaukke - 2 games 27 points on 74.3%
Boston - 2 games 25 ppg on 68%
New Jersey - 2 games 25.5 ppg on 55.9%
Indiana - 1 game 23 points on 61.5% shooting in only 23 minutes
Philadelphia - 2 games 23 ppg on 59.4%
Atlanta - 1 game 23 points 55.5%
Orlando - 2 games 23.5 ppg 60.7%

The only team that held Shaq to much less than 20 points were the Bulls,
15.5 ppg in two games and 48.3% shooting. Shaq scored 20.5 ppg against the Knicks, but shot only 36.7% against Mutombo. During the season, he scored 20.5 ppg against the Pistons on 45.5%.

One of the more successful teams at dealing with Shaq was NO, 2 games, 18 ppg on 57.7%, but they are moving the West.

Some teams in the West had a little more luck holding Shaq's points down, although not necessarily his shooting percentage:

Utah - 3 games 15.3 ppg 44.4%
SA - 4 games 18.5 ppg 48.2%
Sacramento - 3 games 17 ppg 67.7%
Seattle - 4 games - 17 ppg 60%
Clippers - 2 games - 19.5 ppg 66.7%
Phoenix - 3 games - 20.5 ppg 58.5% (White really did help)

Obviously holding Shaq was not necessarily enough to stop the Lakers since giving Kobe open looks was fatal. But I think Eddie Jones and Dwyane Wade will keep defenses honest while focusing on feeding Shaq in the low post.
 
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scoutmasterdave said:
If Malone were to come here and start, he'd be playing center - he has so much more beef than Amare. Frankly, I'd love to see the Mailman in a Suns uniform - he's always been my favorite player (forgive me - I grew up in Utah)... :D

you make me sick. My Phoenix Suns loving world would collapse if Karl Malone ever played here. No, I'm actually softening with my loathing for Malone. The same goes for Jason Kidd. The two players at the top of my hate list now are Gary Payton and Carmelo Anthony.

Shaquille O'Neal and the Miami Heat need more weapons. Dwayne Wade is not even close to as good as Kobe Bryant. They don't have a power forward or even a small forward to speak of. They have absolutely no bench. Essentially they are those three players and crap. They'll make the playoffs and probably get home-court because their conference and especially their division are weak.

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fordronken said:
Popeye Jones was waived by the Warriors. I'd like him for a few reasons:

1) Just look at him.
2) I mean...seriously. Just look at him.
3) He's supposed to be a tremendous locker room guy.
4) Gives you a lot of hustle and enthusiasm, even if it's just through towel waiving on the bench.
5) Probably a great guy to have in practice.


Anyone with the name Popeye is allowed to be a Suns player...

That was a great comparison to Shrek too. :thumbup:
 

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Joe Mama said:
you make me sick. My Phoenix Suns loving world would collapse if Karl Malone ever played here. No, I'm actually softening with my loathing for Malone.
I knew I should have donned the flamesuit after that post... :)
 

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Joe Mama said:
Shaquille O'Neal and the Miami Heat need more weapons. Dwayne Wade is not even close to as good as Kobe Bryant. They don't have a power forward or even a small forward to speak of. They have absolutely no bench. Essentially they are those three players and crap. They'll make the playoffs and probably get home-court because their conference and especially their division are weak.

Joe Mama

Good analysis on the Heat, they have Shaq, Wade and Jones on the downside of his career. They don't even have a starting PF or SF, if Shaq gets hurt, that team will suck. Shaq will get double and triple teamed so many times down low. Because he has crap to pass it back out too.
 
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