Forget Grimm, Graves Should be Next!

[Indiana Hoosier]

This guy is next to nothing. Michael B, step up to the plate and get rid of him ASAP!

 

[Shane]

Pipe dream. WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

 

[desertdawg]

Let the bodies hit the flow.

 

[TRW]

Agreed, SHOULD be...

but will NEVER be. He's here for as long as he wants/lives.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

 

[conraddobler]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

Nope.

There's at least one more, the person who signs his checks.

 

[conraddobler]

Pipe dream. WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

I doubt he'll ever be fired but I could see him being relieved of the GM role someday.

Not soon, probably not in 2 or 3 years but within 5 it could happen.

Depends on how Whiz ends up doing IMO.

 

[Mulli]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

Cards' winning percentage with him in his role is wonderful. Not.

 

[FArting]

Get rid of Mike Miller.

 

[Cardiac]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

I don't want to speak for 40yr fan but I would guess he is with you.

I am not in the RG MUST be fired camp but he isn't in the top ten of GM's IMWO.

 

[40yearfan]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

I don't want to speak for 40yr fan but I would guess he is with you.

I am not in the RG MUST be fired camp but he isn't in the top ten of GM's IMWO.

I am absolutely with Chris. After making it to the SB two years ago, RG, like Wiz, both deserve another year.

 

[Assface]

Firing Graves will accomplish absolutely nothing. All he does is make out the contracts. For those who want a real GM (I'm in this camp, too) it requires an organizational change from the top. Until ownership decides to take personnel decisions away from the head coach, we're not going to see any changes in the way things are done here.

 

[Mulli]

Firing Graves will accomplish absolutely nothing. All he does is make out the contracts. For those who want a real GM (I'm in this camp, too) it requires an organizational change from the top. Until ownership decides to take personnel decisions away from the head coach, we're not going to see any changes in the way things are done here.

Graves also sets the financial parameters for the roster which means if too expensive no go. See Karlos Dansby and others.

 

[40yearfan]

Graves also sets the financial parameters for the roster which means if too expensive no go. See Karlos Dansby and others.

Did we not offer to match Dansby's price and he went elsewhere anyway?

 

[Mulli]

Did we not offer to match Dansby's price and he went elsewhere anyway?

Not sure. Did we? Why not sign him sooner? What did they replace him with?

 

[Shane]

Did we not offer to match Dansby's price and he went elsewhere anyway?

No our offer was less. Not by a ton but it was less.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No our offer was less. Not by a ton but it was less.

and it came after YEARS of jerking him around. Gerald FREAKING Hayes got a contract extension before dansby did.

what happened with dansby last off-season didn't happen in a vacuum.

 

[Mulli]

and it came after YEARS of jerking him around. Gerald FREAKING Hayes got a contract extension before dansby did.

what happened with dansby last off-season didn't happen in a vacuum.

This.

 

[Reddog]

Unless Graves were relocated within the organization this will not happen and shouldn't - this year anyway. With the looming lock out, the likelihood of a condensed FA signing period you cant afford to lose the continuity of what Graves knows in terms of history and subtleties of players stances/agent posturing and past negotiations. We will have 30+ signings to do. As slow as Graves is I could see bringing in another layer of personnel people with the authority to negotiate and sign. That way we could cover more ground and get some new blood into the equitation. Maybe if that guy is the right guy he takes on more of those duties and Graves stays with the organization with more varied responsibilities.

 

[conraddobler]

Firing Graves will accomplish absolutely nothing. All he does is make out the contracts. For those who want a real GM (I'm in this camp, too) it requires an organizational change from the top. Until ownership decides to take personnel decisions away from the head coach, we're not going to see any changes in the way things are done here.

I really don't want him fired.

He's not really a GM if he's not totally running the team IMO.

He's not totally running the team IMO.

What I want is a GM who's totally running the team, the only restriction should be some kind of reasonable and customary budgetary guidelines that the GM has to work around set before hand by hashing this out with ownership before you take the job.

We have some weird mish mash of ideas floating out there that goes into some funky financial meat grinder then comes out as less than apealing stuff.

I'm not saying you can't have financial restrictions, I'm just saying how we do it is very weird and that would be ok if it worked a lot but it really can't be said to do that often.

The part in red?

That's the part that IMO causes us to never ever be able to hire a traditional GM because once you do what I outlined there, you can't say, uh, bud, we need to save some money now, let's back off on some dough here.

 

[Cardiac]

We have some weird mish mash of ideas floating out there that goes into some funky financial meat grinder then comes out as less than apealing stuff.

I agree with your post as well.

Has anybody ever been able to get a long term committment from Bill Sr on long term spending??? The respect that I have for RG is because I believe he has come the closest to getting your plan in place.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I must be the only one who thinks Graves is fine in the role he fills.

Why can't we have a GM that not only understands the business side of the game, also understands player evaluation? Graves has kept his job because his personality is an extension of Bill Bidwill's.

Not because he has ever done anything special.

 

[john h]

This guy is next to nothing. Michael B, step up to the plate and get rid of him ASAP!

If I did not know any better I would think he was a member of the Bidwill family. He apparently has a job for life and is next to worthless as a GM. I often hear other team GM's being interviewed. Generally they seem very much in touch with their teams and very knowledgeable. I have never heard Graves being interviewed. One has to wonder what he really does for the organization. I have concluded he has little if anything to do with who we draft. I suspect more and more that Whiz is the guy who does most of the draft work and he is given a budget to work with which might prevent him from drafting a guy like Luck who if he came out would cost any team a ton of money. I think the Cards owners are not looking forward to having a #1 or #2 draft pick because of cost. We are drafting high enough to obtain a probable QBOTF. These chances do not come often. As all know a good QB can turn a team around. No other position has anywhere near as much influence on a teams success as a QB. You may have the greatest DE in the football but he is not going to influence a team as much as a good QB. Until we get one we will continue to be an also run. Worst QBs in the league. Worst running attack in the league. Something has to change. No coach should be immune. Graves should not be immune. Successful companies do not put up with consistent failure. We do.

 

[Duckjake]

Firing Graves will accomplish absolutely nothing. All he does is make out the contracts. For those who want a real GM (I'm in this camp, too) it requires an organizational change from the top. Until ownership decides to take personnel decisions away from the head coach, we're not going to see any changes in the way things are done here.

Are you being sarcastic here?

Didn't the Cardinals have a press conference after Green was fired where they claimed it was Rodmike who was actually responsible for the 2003-2006 drafts? Or have too many 41-7 losses this season fogged my memory.