Former NFL QB Max Hall Says He Was An Alcoholic And Drug Addict

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Former BYU and Arizona Cardinals quarterback Max Hall says his arrest for shoplifting and cocaine possession in 2014 forced him to deal with his addictions to Oxycontin, cocaine, and alcohol.

Police found Hall at an Arizona Best Buy at 11:30 a.m. with stolen items and a “personal use quantity of cocaine.” Hall had his charges dropped when he completed a program at a rehab facility in Orem, Utah.

The former NFL quarterback tells the Salt Lake Tribune he’s in much better condition, but Hall calls the time after his arrest “the lowest point of my life.”

http://deadspin.com/former-nfl-qb-max-hall-says-he-was-an-alcoholic-and-dru-1760122714

From Salt Lake City Tribune

Over a six-month period, Hall finally thought he'd hacked his way free. He wanted to believe he'd beaten it — "You think you can handle it," he said — all on his own, particularly the abuse of the Oxycontin, a painkiller that he said did more than kill his pain, it gave him "the best high in the world." Turned out, it took more than it gave. He called it the devil, a drug meant to kill pain that ironically so horribly enhanced it, instead.

His life became a hellish mess. Still, he refused to get help.

"I was scared," he said.

But the painkiller continued to pull hard.

"The cravings you have for it, I can't describe how nasty that is," he said.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3543348-155/monson-max-hall-hates-nobody-now?fullpage=1

Sounds like Max Hall is doing much better these days, but he sure had to go through a lot.

I think if I'm ever prescribed Oxycontin, I won't take it.
 

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Sounds like Max Hall is doing much better these days, but he sure had to go through a lot.

I think if I'm ever prescribed Oxycontin, I won't take it.

I won't.

I did once when I had a double hernia surgery, but the 2nd time I was given them when I broke my wrist, it was HORRIBLE.

Never again. NEVER!

I am no chemist but why they can not find an alternative (yeah, I know pot is one, but I mean a real pain killer) is beyond me. That crap is horrific. I had a few days of straight pain going up my whole arm, and it was by far better than the effect that drug had on me.
 

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I won't.

I did once when I had a double hernia surgery, but the 2nd time I was given them when I broke my wrist, it was HORRIBLE.

Never again. NEVER!

I am no chemist but why they can not find an alternative (yeah, I know pot is one, but I mean a real pain killer) is beyond me. That crap is horrific. I had a few days of straight pain going up my whole arm, and it was by far better than the effect that drug had on me.
Pot doesn't help for pain anyway, not that I ever notice

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To think, all this time we thought Whiz was telling us Hall had Moxy...but we must have been hearing him wrong...It was Oxy.
 

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To think, all this time we thought Whiz was telling us Hall had Moxy...but we must have been hearing him wrong...It was Oxy.


"Coach,...why have you decided to start Hall this week?"

"I like that kid,...he has Oxy"





explains so much of the wiz tenure..........
 

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Pot doesn't help for pain anyway, not that I ever notice

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Funny you say that. I know two people with medical cards that swear by it for pain. There was a segment on Real Sports as well about a Broncos WR that medicated with pot for pain and recovery instead of the traditional pain killers typically associated with football players.
 

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Funny you say that. I know two people with medical cards that swear by it for pain. There was a segment on Real Sports as well about a Broncos WR that medicated with pot for pain and recovery instead of the traditional pain killers typically associated with football players.

Its a muscle relaxor, but for pain from getting cut or for broken bones.....not really sure how effective it would be.
 

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Funny you say that. I know two people with medical cards that swear by it for pain. There was a segment on Real Sports as well about a Broncos WR that medicated with pot for pain and recovery instead of the traditional pain killers typically associated with football players.
It has anti inflammatory agents in it and helps you relax but when I think of pain relief I think of post surgeries, broken things and etc, always have needed a narcotic on top of the weed for it.

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After my surgery last year I was prescribed Percocet which contains oxycodone which is mild compared to Oxycontin. This was after being given dilaudid while in the hospital. Even though the dilaudid made me sick to my stomach, I couldn't wait to get my scheduled dosage as the high it gave me was pretty good. Same with Percocet. 4 hours wouldn't pass fast enough. Thankfully I recognized I was becoming hooked, not quite addicted but hooked and I stopped taking them even though it was tough and I was still in a little bit of pain. I hope he recovers.
 

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Americans consume 80% of the WORLDS painkillers.

I am not saying that they dont have their use but people want to feel NO pain. My personal philosophy is to just deal with it. Find out what is causing the pain, fix that if possible, and deal with the rest.

I will say that I am glad Hall got help and I wish him the best in his continued recovery.

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Americans consume 80% of the WORLDS painkillers.

I am not saying that they dont have their use but people want to feel NO pain. My personal philosophy is to just deal with it. Find out what is causing the pain, fix that if possible, and deal with the rest.

I will say that I am glad Hall got help and I wish him the best in his continued recovery.

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The problem with painkillers is that they went from simple analgesics to narcotics. Narcotics like Oxy, Vicodin, Morphine were created for the worst of the worst pain that didn't necessarily take away the pain but more made you too high to care. What ended up happening is that doctors went from treaters of sickness to scrip writers. It's easier and faster to listen to what a patient is telling them and write a scrip than to actually take the time to examine someone and actually treat them. I remember twisting my knee in high school during a football game. My treatment schedule was ice, compression, elevation, Tylenol. If I got the same injury today it would have been ice, compression, elevation, hydrocodone. This is due to 2 fronts. #1, the advent of the HMO. Before the HMO, the only insurance you might have had was traditional(BC/BS) or major medical which you didn't use unless you absolutely had to otherwise, if you went to the doctor, you had to pay the full amount of the visit. When HMO's came about with their cut rates and small co-pays(anyone remember paying $5 as a co-pay?), it made it easier for people to go to the doctor for the most inane things. Instead of staying home, drinking plenty of fluids, getting rest, an taking Formula 44 for a cold or the flu, now you went to your doctor and were written a scrip.

Point 2 is that the doctors offices are not only filled with patients out the wazoo, they are also filled with pharma salespeople pushing their wares. I never saw this when I was a kid let alone advertisements for pharmaceuticals on TV and radio. Some salesman comes in with Tamaflu and gets the doctor to buy into it. The next patient through the door gets a scrip for Tamaflu. Beats examining them and actually treating them.
 

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Been thru a few bouts with PK's and it had nothing to do with pain. Tbh I have no idea how half of the NFL players that go thru the physical/mental grind aren't hooked off their asses.
 

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The problem with painkillers is that they went from simple analgesics to narcotics. Narcotics like Oxy, Vicodin, Morphine were created for the worst of the worst pain that didn't necessarily take away the pain but more made you too high to care. What ended up happening is that doctors went from treaters of sickness to scrip writers. It's easier and faster to listen to what a patient is telling them and write a scrip than to actually take the time to examine someone and actually treat them. I remember twisting my knee in high school during a football game. My treatment schedule was ice, compression, elevation, Tylenol. If I got the same injury today it would have been ice, compression, elevation, hydrocodone. This is due to 2 fronts. #1, the advent of the HMO. Before the HMO, the only insurance you might have had was traditional(BC/BS) or major medical which you didn't use unless you absolutely had to otherwise, if you went to the doctor, you had to pay the full amount of the visit. When HMO's came about with their cut rates and small co-pays(anyone remember paying $5 as a co-pay?), it made it easier for people to go to the doctor for the most inane things. Instead of staying home, drinking plenty of fluids, getting rest, an taking Formula 44 for a cold or the flu, now you went to your doctor and were written a scrip.

Point 2 is that the doctors offices are not only filled with patients out the wazoo, they are also filled with pharma salespeople pushing their wares. I never saw this when I was a kid let alone advertisements for pharmaceuticals on TV and radio. Some salesman comes in with Tamaflu and gets the doctor to buy into it. The next patient through the door gets a scrip for Tamaflu. Beats examining them and actually treating them.
I dont know if you ever listen to Loveline with Dr. Drew but he has said for years that the system is broken to the point that Dr's HAD to prescribe narcos to patients for pain. Not treating 'pain' could land you in jail.

They have people calling up all the time that have been taking painkillers for years because they still have pain...or the Dr. realized they were abusing them and stopped giving them but didn't treat the addiction so they started getting them illegally. Either way they are addicts. More reciently people have called in saying that the pain finally went away AFTER they got off the drugs.



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I had a co-worker that was mixing Ritalin and oxy. He lost his job because it became a problem at work. He got so addicted he could no longer find a legal method of getting his scripts. Ended up turning to herion.
 

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It has anti inflammatory agents in it and helps you relax but when I think of pain relief I think of post surgeries, broken things and etc, always have needed a narcotic on top of the weed for it.

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Never had any rough surgeries, but I do have these stupid cysts on my head. Sometimes they turn red and start hurting really bad. Dull constant pain and random times of sharp stabbing pain. Sometimes I can't get them removed for a while (cuz of how unsightly the process is for weeks after) so I deal with the dull pain with ibuprofen and the rest takes care of the stabby pain. So often times you can use weaker pain pills in concert with marijuana. I always turn down vicodin or percocet or oxy if they offer it to me post removal too. I flat out told them I'd have too much fun with them so I didn't want them.
 

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I've had dilaudid after major surgery. Powerful stuff... it's not so much that
it killed the pain, it's more like floating above your body looking down at it
and seeing it's in pain.. but you don't care. :)
 

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After my surgery last year I was prescribed Percocet which contains oxycodone which is mild compared to Oxycontin. This was after being given dilaudid while in the hospital. Even though the dilaudid made me sick to my stomach, I couldn't wait to get my scheduled dosage as the high it gave me was pretty good. Same with Percocet. 4 hours wouldn't pass fast enough. Thankfully I recognized I was becoming hooked, not quite addicted but hooked and I stopped taking them even though it was tough and I was still in a little bit of pain. I hope he recovers.
I've never felt that pills really got me high, just addressed the pain and sometimes made me sleepy. Maybe because I'm already high on weed too? :)

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Never had any rough surgeries, but I do have these stupid cysts on my head. Sometimes they turn red and start hurting really bad. Dull constant pain and random times of sharp stabbing pain. Sometimes I can't get them removed for a while (cuz of how unsightly the process is for weeks after) so I deal with the dull pain with ibuprofen and the rest takes care of the stabby pain. So often times you can use weaker pain pills in concert with marijuana. I always turn down vicodin or percocet or oxy if they offer it to me post removal too. I flat out told them I'd have too much fun with them so I didn't want them.
I could see the mixture helping but I never tried only the pain killers, always self medicated too so no comparison

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