FP Article: What Will Whiz Do?

[Duckjake]

I agree WildBB. Someone will slip if always happens. Hopefully one of the better CB or OT will fall in our lap. I don't really want to select a RB in day one unless an incredible pick falls in our lap.

In 2005 the Cardinals drafted 5 guys rated in Huddlereports top 100. Talk about guys slipping.

Rolle, Arrington,Blackstock,EBrown and Eric Green.

Sadly only Green was starting although all the others were seeing playing time.

 

[john h]

I'll never understand why people want to get rid of Edge in favor of inferior/less proven backs. Replacing one old FA back with a slightly younger and much less proven one ala Fargas or Turner isn't going to help much, in fact it will probably weaken the team short term. With the way Edge's contract is structured it gets significantly smaller in the last two years so you really aren't saving that much money by cutting him and signing someone who is going to want 3-4 million this year probably. I can see the argument for drafting a RB but signing Turner or Fargas and cutting Edge is just foolish.

If Edge goes down we have absolutely no one who is capable of being a starting RB. At his age and after all the pounding he has took it is very likely he could not finish the season. We must acquire some RB's to have a running game which is what Whiz wants to do. More and more teams are going to two RB's and spliting runs with each other. We barely have one. I do not care who it its but we have to draft a RB. A good FA RB would cost to much and likely be as old as Edge. Good RB's can be found in the draft and do not need experience as a RB can make a difference from day one as they operate more on power and speed and cutting ability than experience. I for one think one of our RB's should be a POWER back who can run over people and get you 3 yards when you need it most.

 

[chicards11]

If Edge goes down we have absolutely no one who is capable of being a starting RB. At his age and after all the pounding he has took it is very likely he could not finish the season. We must acquire some RB's to have a running game which is what Whiz wants to do. More and more teams are going to two RB's and spliting runs with each other. We barely have one. I do not care who it its but we have to draft a RB. A good FA RB would cost to much and likely be as old as Edge. Good RB's can be found in the draft and do not need experience as a RB can make a difference from day one as they operate more on power and speed and cutting ability than experience. I for one think one of our RB's should be a POWER back who can run over people and get you 3 yards when you need it most.

i liked the idea of obtaining J. Fargas

 

[Gee!]

One more thing about the draft. Remember what the players did during their college career and not what they do at the combine.

Thats just crazy talk ... Someone needs to give you a surprise wiz quiz.. I thought we all suppose to take drug tests before we were allowed to post on this board? Or maybe it was just me that had to submit that?

 

[Goodyear Card]

So much will change before the draft. Free agency should give us a clearer picture.
Edge will still be a Cardinal.
Dansby will get tagged and be dealt with again before the season is over.
Pace will be allowed to test the water of free agency and will give us a crack to match the offer....and we will.
Fitz's contract will be re-worked sooner or later. Sooner if we go out and sign a guy like Faneca. Later if we just sign a few second tier free agents.
Gandy will be cut or asked to re-do his contract. He may be the odd man out if the Faneca fantasy comes true.

We should all remember the draft is for the future. We should not draft for need or expect a rookie to fill a major hole on the team. Thats why i contend even if we draft a running back, Edge will still be here. If we draft an OLB it will be to eventually replace Okeafor.

One more thing about the draft. Remember what the players did during their college career and not what they do at the combine.

I agree or hope everything you say comes true. I am not a big fan of Gandy but who is going to replace him? don't say Wells that is not an improvement and besides I do like Wells as a backup.

Hopfully the right players will fall in to our lap during the draft.

 

[Goodyear Card]

A few things... First, teams drafting in the top half of the 1st Round do expect pretty immediate contributions from their top draft picks. It's the way of todays NFL. Thats reality. You draft for immediate results and need initially.

WildBB,

Very few players have solid contributions their first year in the NFL, even the top 10 picks. Most of them struggle for the first two or three years.

 

[artp]

The way the talent lines up this year, I'd look to go CB, S or OT first and RB in the 2nd. There should be some good ones left, IMO, or trade up/down. Shut down CB's are hard to come by. Waiting till later only dissapates your chances.

I always worry when we assume that we can get a good RB in the second round. I remember listening to Jaws and M Hoge on Draft day saying what a good RB we got in Arrington. We need to draft RB at #16.

 

[WildBB]

I always worry when we assume that we can get a good RB in the second round. I remember listening to Jaws and M Hoge on Draft day saying what a good RB we got in Arrington. We need to draft RB at #16.

I'm not assuming anything. They very well might go RB 1st. My argument is that the RB group is probobly deeper than the CB group and we need both to take the next step.

Our pass D was horrid most days last year. It needs an infusion.

At the same time nobody in the org. could have been that happy the way the run game went last year. It was spotty at best. Stewart or Mendenhall would be a definate upgrade. Jones is a home-run hitter type that could work well with James for two years, but he's not anything like a workhorse that the top two would become.

To run better the O-Line is still an area that needs attetion as well. I wouldn't be shocked if they addressed that first either.

 

[WildBB]

WildBB,

Very few players have solid contributions their first year in the NFL, even the top 10 picks. Most of them struggle for the first two or three years.

But most are thrust into the fire all the same. Many start before the end due to necessity or the team being out of contention, regardless of the results

Their contributions are seen as the growing process needed to develop them further. You can only get that by playing.

 

[DoTheDew]

DotheDew, yumpin yimminy, for the gazillionth time, dumping Edge is not a certainty but a highly likely probability, if the signals emanating from Whisenhunt and various team beat writers are to be believed.

I never said it was a certainty, just asked for the logic behind cutting someone without a proven replacement? If its for money reasons I can accept that, but most on here act like its for talent reasons and want to replace him with Fargas who if we even did manage to sign, has not proven to be better. My question still hasn't been answered.

 

[WildBB]

When is Edge's roster bonus due? What is that figure?

 

[joeshmo]

When is Edge's roster bonus due? What is that figure?

He doesnt have any roster bonuses due to him. He has already been paid all of his bonuses. Now they are prorated and will count against us if cut.

 

[Redsz]

He doesnt have any roster bonuses due to him. He has already been paid all of his bonuses. Now they are prorated and will count against us if cut.

Yup. Which means it is unlikely we cut him.

 

[Goodyear Card]

But most are thrust into the fire all the same. Many start before the end due to necessity or the team being out of contention, regardless of the results

Their contributions are seen as the growing process needed to develop them further. You can only get that by playing.

I will agree many players are thrust in to the fire before they are ready. Unfortunately, this actually stunts their growth. They become frustrated and their team mates become frustrated. A player's development should determine when he is ready to start not when he was drafted or how much he is making.