Free Agency 2020

[ASUCHRIS]

Prove it.

Chap, if after all this time, you don't recognize that Sarver is considered more thrifty than your average owner, then I don't know what to tell you. It's incredible that a true fan that follows the team closely would be so blind to such an obvious fact. Can you honestly name 5 owners that are considered cheaper?

Selling players, selling draft picks, selling a D league team, screwing his employees, refusing to pay Kerr and the staff bonuses - you honestly think all of that is SOP in NBA front offices?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Chap, if after all this time, you don't recognize that Sarver is considered more thrifty than your average owner, then I don't know what to tell you. It's incredible that a true fan that follows the team closely would be so blind to such an obvious fact. Can you honestly name 5 owners that are considered cheaper?

Selling players, selling draft picks, selling a D league team, screwing his employees, refusing to pay Kerr and the staff bonuses - you honestly think all of that is SOP in NBA front offices?

You said "considered" so I guess I'd have to agree with that but no, I don't think he actually has been more thrifty than the average owner.

When the franchise is making money he's been very willing to spend and when it isn't making money he's tightened the belt. And along the way he's made some bad decisions, sometimes in an attempt to save money and sometimes in the process of spending money.

He's just a bad owner with an average bank account behind him. It helps a little to know that there are some that are worse than him but it doesn't help enough. And now, we're going to see him be even more frugal than we've ever seen before (IMO). I doubt he sells picks, he no longer has a coach that claims to not need rookies but he'll cut corners everywhere he can. If he can save money by selling picks, yeah, they are gone but more likely he'll want the low salary a rookie carries.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You said "considered" so I guess I'd have to agree with that but no, I don't think he actually has been more thrifty than the average owner.

When the franchise is making money he's been very willing to spend and when it isn't making money he's tightened the belt. And along the way he's made some bad decisions, sometimes in an attempt to save money and sometimes in the process of spending money.

He's just a bad owner with an average bank account behind him. It helps a little to know that there are some that are worse than him but it doesn't help enough. And now, we're going to see him be even more frugal than we've ever seen before (IMO). I doubt he sells picks, he no longer has a coach that claims to not need rookies but he'll cut corners everywhere he can. If he can save money by selling picks, yeah, they are gone but more likely he'll want the low salary a rookie carries.

when the franchise was at its peak under him during the Nash era he was selling draft picks, trading key members of the team along with draft picks (Kurt Thomas plus first rounders) and telling our GM who just got us within two games of the Finals that his staff not only were not getting raised, but was going to institute pay CUTS to FO people, which is why Steve Kerr quit after 2010.

 

[Chaplin]

Chap, if after all this time, you don't recognize that Sarver is considered more thrifty than your average owner, then I don't know what to tell you. It's incredible that a true fan that follows the team closely would be so blind to such an obvious fact. Can you honestly name 5 owners that are considered cheaper?

Selling players, selling draft picks, selling a D league team, screwing his employees, refusing to pay Kerr and the staff bonuses - you honestly think all of that is SOP in NBA front offices?

Every team does that! I'm not saying it doesn't suck--it certainly does--what I'm saying is that it's not that unusual and not enough to proclaim him as being cheap. He also has many big ticket things he's done as well -- some good, but mostly bad. That's just being a poor spender.

And stop bringing up selling the G-League team. He sold a non-profitable branch of his business in order to further be able to afford a state-of-the-art practice facility and a MAJOR upgrade to the arena. How does that make him cheap?

 

[Yuma]

Chap, if after all this time, you don't recognize that Sarver is considered more thrifty than your average owner, then I don't know what to tell you. It's incredible that a true fan that follows the team closely would be so blind to such an obvious fact. Can you honestly name 5 owners that are considered cheaper?

Selling players, selling draft picks, selling a D league team, screwing his employees, refusing to pay Kerr and the staff bonuses - you honestly think all of that is SOP in NBA front offices?

Bill Bidwill was in AZ, too. Is it in the water?

 

[BC867]

I expect Sarver to do what any other billion dollar business does... adapt.
If he can't compete he should sell the franchise.

I don't expect Robert Sarver to be any more adaptable to reason with his
billion dollar windfall than Trump with the million dollars (worth a lot more
in today's money) that his father handed to him.

Scoundrels as they live off 'OP' -- other people's money. With no conscience.
Which leads to a false ego . . . which expects other people to adapt to them.

That's life!

 

[BC867]

Bill Bidwill was in AZ, too. Is it in the water?

Or perhaps in medium market teams where success on the
court or field is nothing compared to raking in the bucks.

I would suppose, in their minds, low sports expectations
make it easier to get away with.

Kendrick, with the Diamondbacks, falls into the same
category but, from what I've seen, he has a little bit
of a conscience. Whereas Sarver and Bidwill have not.

 

[Phrazbit]

Remember the money Sarver spent on Childress, Warrick and Turkoglu.

It seems to be more about how he spends the money.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

To be fair though, I think most non-contending, middling market teams will be very weary of their finances next season.

Unless the NBA and the player's association deal with what looks like a plummeting revenue over the next 2 seasons you can expect a lot of franchises to look at short term finances and contracts.

 

[Phrazbit]

Or perhaps in medium market teams where success on the
court or field is nothing compared to raking in the bucks.

I would suppose, in their minds, low sports expectations
make it easier to get away with.

Kendrick, with the Diamondbacks, falls into the same
category but, from what I've seen, he has a little bit
of a conscience. Whereas Sarver and Bidwill have not.

I'll give Michael Bidwill more credit than anyone else currently in town. He is willing to spend and wants to win, if anything his problem is being too loyal.

Ken Kendrick is also willing to spend and wants to win... but I think he has been really impatient and his terrible hires of Towers and Dave Stewart sent the franchise into the lurch.

Sarver makes bad hires, he is impatient and while he is willing to spend on player salary he skimps on management and scouting. It has hurt us bad. Bad management and bad scouting overpay for free agent players. Good management and good scouts can field competitive teams for less money.

Sarver ain't cheap, he's foolish.

 

[Mainstreet]

Penny wise, pound foolish.

To be fair though, I think most non-contending, middling market teams will be very weary of their finances next season.

Unless the NBA and the player's association deal with what looks like a plummeting revenue over the next 2 seasons you can expect a lot of franchises to look at short term finances and contracts.

We agree teams with smaller pockets are going to be more leery of spending. I'm hoping the NBA and NBPA do something like spreading out any losses over multiple seasons like the NFL so the salary cap will not drop significantly. Minimally I want the Suns spend the money they have available.

 

[95pro]

Watching the raptor and Celtics. FVV at 20-30M is wayyy too much.

 

[1Sun]

Watching the raptor and Celtics. FVV at 20-30M is wayyy too much.

If James Jones throws that kind of money at him (or even Rubio type money), I'm going to be sick...

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Watching the raptor and Celtics. FVV at 20-30M is wayyy too much.

that’s a wide range lol

20 he is clear value
30 is an overpay

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

If James Jones throws that kind of money at him (or even Rubio type money), I'm going to be sick...

3/51 would get him exec of the year votes cmon son

 

[Yuma]

I'll give Michael Bidwill more credit than anyone else currently in town. He is willing to spend and wants to win, if anything his problem is being too loyal.

Ken Kendrick is also willing to spend and wants to win... but I think he has been really impatient and his terrible hires of Towers and Dave Stewart sent the franchise into the lurch.

Sarver makes bad hires, he is impatient and while he is willing to spend on player salary he skimps on management and scouting. It has hurt us bad. Bad management and bad scouting overpay for free agent players. Good management and good scouts can field competitive teams for less money.

Sarver ain't cheap, he's foolish.

We will see, but Moreno pf the Coyotes looks like he is willing to open up his wallet to this franchise in a big way!!

 

[Mainstreet]

We will see, but Moreno pf the Coyotes looks like he is willing to open up his wallet to this franchise in a big way!!

Too bad the Coyotes had to forfeit two draft picks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Any who are not a fan of adding a player like Montrezl Harrell should take another look.

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[Yuma]

I like Harrel. You need a hustle guy on your team. A hustle guy with talent and physicality, nice!

 

[Hoop Head]

Harrell isn't your normal Sixth Man. Doc uses him in a way to get the most out of him, which is a coaches job but Harrell does sacrifice being a starter for that system. I don't think he'll be a bust elsewhere but I can't see him being as effective if he's used as a regular starter. He's only 6'7" and while he's tough as nails, that's still really small for a PF/C. It can be managed better off the bench compared to starting. Coming off the bench allows Doc the ability to match him up with someone who won't have as much size on him or that he can use his speed against, while making sure he's paired with another frontcourt big that allows him to play to his strengths.

I doubt he leaves the Clippers though. They're legit contenders and have money to pay almost anything he asks for. Someone would need to offer big money, $25 million+ a year, to get him to consider leaving and for the Clippers to consider letting him. I know he's not restricted but a lot of guys will be told that their team will match or beat any offers he gets.

 

[Mainstreet]

Harrell isn't your normal Sixth Man. Doc uses him in a way to get the most out of him, which is a coaches job but Harrell does sacrifice being a starter for that system. I don't think he'll be a bust elsewhere but I can't see him being as effective if he's used as a regular starter. He's only 6'7" and while he's tough as nails, that's still really small for a PF/C. It can be managed better off the bench compared to starting. Coming off the bench allows Doc the ability to match him up with someone who won't have as much size on him or that he can use his speed against, while making sure he's paired with another frontcourt big that allows him to play to his strengths.

I doubt he leaves the Clippers though. They're legit contenders and have money to pay almost anything he asks for. Someone would need to offer big money, $25 million+ a year, to get him to consider leaving and for the Clippers to consider letting him. I know he's not restricted but a lot of guys will be told that their team will match or beat any offers he gets.

I'd be thrilled to have Harrell backing up Ayton.

I too doubt he leaves the Clippers and he would probably cost too much money as well.

He was a player I wanted before he landed with the Clippers.

 

[Mainstreet]

I doubt the Suns can afford someone like Bogdan Bogdanovic or Montrezl Harrell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I doubt the Suns can afford someone like Bogdan Bogdanovic or Montrezl Harrell.

Yeah, we'll likely be buying off the discount rack this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, we'll likely be buying off the discount rack this season.

That could mean we are left waiting for leftovers.

If the Suns can absorb the contract of another player that could help the team and add another draft pick that might be the way to go.

The Suns are so quiet it's hard to know how they think.

 

[Yuma]

That could mean we are left waiting for leftovers.

If the Suns can absorb the contract of another player that could help the team and add another draft pick that might be the way to go.

The Suns are so quiet it's hard to know how they think.

I don't expect that to change. James Jones is never too chatty.

 

[JerkFace]

Ross tends to be a “throw a bunch of stuff against that wall and then brag for the next year if something hits” type of guy, but this is mildly interesting none the less:

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