Free Agency 2020

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Kelly was a bit of a blackhole at times, but his ability to put his head down and get to the rim was needed at times especially with Booker on the bench.

Now we have a far superior bucket getter in Paul.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cam Payne has a little bit in his bag. We need another creator to be safe.

Saric can also create a bit.

Not against a quality defender.

 

[GatorAZ]

But Bridges can't shoot or create, which is a major liability at SG. Meanwhile, we don't have a singly back-up SF. And we STILL don't have a serviceable starting PF.

Mikal had a 62 ts% last year. He needs to be more consistent from long range which he’s shown the ability to do for stretches.

 

[Mainstreet]

I give Dario two years, 20 million and call it a day. Let his contract expire same year as CP3.

Give him three years and keep his rights.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Not against a quality defender.

back up 4s/5s he can do just fine

 

[Proximo]

Actually there are rumors that other teams were interested in Paul to include the Clippers and Bucks. So yes there apparently was competition to get him. We wanted to make sure we were the ones to pull it off so we met them with the draft pick. There was plenty of talk of them wanting even more than they got.

I don't believe it.

Clippers had no way to do the deal with the salaries they have - yeah Paul wanted to go there but it was impossible.
Millwaukee is to tight against the cap to have made the move either.

He wanted to come here.

Bottom line is Jones caved for no good reason.

 

[1Sun]

current crowder locked up Giannis and Middleton

Take a look at Giannis and especially Middleton's numbers for that series and get back to me...

 

[1Sun]

We probably will be able to keep Saric because he wants to be here, and I don't think other teams have much interest.

I just feel like this offseason is turning into a debacle. So far James Jones has thrown away 2 first round picks, and signed an inefficient player for above his market value.

With James Jones's history as GM, were you honestly expecting anything different?

 

[GatorAZ]

The 2022 pick is going to be in the 20s so how is that a big loss?

As for Jalen Smith, it seems like some people are ignoring the general consensus in this draft. There was very little separation between picks 4 and 25. So we picked a guy that we maybe could have gotten at 20. Or even 14. And people are crying that we could have had pick 30?? Come on.

The Suns shouldn’t have included a pick bottom line. To answer your question I think that pick could’ve come in handy had we needed it for a trade to improve the team.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not against a quality defender.

I like Saric best as a small ball center like he played in Orlando.

 

[Proximo]

The 2022 pick is going to be in the 20s so how is that a big loss?

As for Jalen Smith, it seems like some people are ignoring the general consensus in this draft. There was very little separation between picks 4 and 25. So we picked a guy that we maybe could have gotten at 20. Or even 14. And people are crying that we could have had pick 30?? Come on.

First off you have no idea what pick we are going to get in 2022.

2nd off All-NBA players are sometimes late firsts or even 2nd rounders.

I just can't believe how everyone on this board is making excuses for Jones's terrible GM skills.

 

[1Sun]

Crowder is only 30. There is no reason why he should be in decline unless he has had some major injuries I don't know about.

Different bodies react differently to the rigors of pro sports. Crowder has not only been in decline, but steep decline, since his days in Boston. Frankly, just from the numbers, it looks like he got kind of lazy once he got paid.

 

[Proximo]

With James Jones's history as GM, were you honestly expecting anything different?

Not really, but I was hoping maybe after needlessly throwing away picks last offseason somebody would have reprimanded him and he would not do it again.

Obviously that did not happen.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Take a look at Giannis and especially Middleton's numbers for that series and get back to me...

read up
https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshabit.com/2020/09/11/miami-heat-rejuvenation-jae-crowder/amp/

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The 2022 pick is going to be in the 20s so how is that a big loss?

As for Jalen Smith, it seems like some people are ignoring the general consensus in this draft. There was very little separation between picks 4 and 25. So we picked a guy that we maybe could have gotten at 20. Or even 14. And people are crying that we could have had pick 30?? Come on.

I don’t think that was the consensus. Everything I read said 3 top players followed by 6 in second tier and then everyone else was a toss up. We did not take one of those top 9 projected. The kid who went 4th was a late add to that club of 4-9.

 

[1Sun]

My guess is he’s talking about Ty Jerome, and MAYBE Jalen Smith?

Ty Jerome and the pick he gave away in the CP3 trade would be my guess.

 

[Folster]

The clippers lost two big men. You have to think they'd have som interest in Baynes. I believe they did last year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I like Saric best as a small ball center like he played in Orlando.

I do too. I just think It’s dangerous relying solely on him for shot creation, even off the bench.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't believe it.

Clippers had no way to do the deal with the salaries they have - yeah Paul wanted to go there but it was impossible.
Millwaukee is to tight against the cap to have made the move either.

He wanted to come here.

Bottom line is Jones caved for no good reason.

No bottom line is that you believe he caved because you see no good reason.

You are completely overlooking the Bucks. They absolutely could have put a package together to get Paul that would have resembled the one we did.

They may have felt the price a was a little too steep in the end, but they were at least one other team showing interest. They probably just weren't willing to match our offer once we made it.

It worked out pretty well for them though because they were able to later pull a trade for Jrue.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I don’t think that was the consensus. Everything I read said 3 top players followed by 6 in second tier and then everyone else was a toss up. We did not take one of those top 9 projected. The kid who went 4th was a late add to that club of 4-9.

I would be concerned if “draft consensus” had a track record of being consistently right and never missing. Draft analysis is very very hard and so much depends on player development staff and coaching. Cam Johnson is a good early feather in the Suns’ current PDS and coaching.

 

[1Sun]

I like Saric best as a small ball center like he played in Orlando.

That's the only role he CAN play.

 

[Mainstreet]

I do too. I just think It’s dangerous relying solely on him for shot creation, even off the bench.

I don't think Saric is a shot creator other than by his passing skills that's why I like him as a small ball center.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No bottom line is that you believe he caved because you see no good reason.

You are completely overlooking the Bucks. They absolutely could have put a package together to get Paul that would have resembled the one we did.

They may have felt the price a was a little too steep in the end, but they were at least one other team showing interest. They probably just weren't willing to match our offer once we made it.

It worked out pretty well for them though because they were able to later pull a trade for Jrue.

how would the bucks have come up with 44 million bucks in salary without gutting the team?

 

[Proximo]

Ty Jerome and the pick he gave away in the CP3 trade would be my guess.

I'm talking about the one in CP3 trade, and the one we could have had by trading down to 14 - and still selecting Jalen Smith - and yes it has now come out Boston did offer us the 30th pick to move down.

 

[1Sun]

read up
https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshabit.com/2020/09/11/miami-heat-rejuvenation-jae-crowder/amp/

More "flexibility", "versatility" and "effort" hype. It still takes actual talent to win in the league. James Jones seems to have forgotten that.

 

[Chaplin]

I don’t think that was the consensus. Everything I read said 3 top players followed by 6 in second tier and then everyone else was a toss up. We did not take one of those top 9 projected. The kid who went 4th was a late add to that club of 4-9.

You may disagree, but I DID read that. But hey, if that helps perpetuate the fantasy that James Jones is a horrible GM, then so be it. (Not saying you follow that opinion, as I believe you do not)