Free Agency Guesses, and Draft Predictions

[cardpa]

A question of curiosity, Let's say the Cardinals resign Stanton. Does BA and SK view Stanton as a place holder once Palmer hangs up the cleats to be the starter until they find another QB whether it be through the draft or FA? Could they be holding off until Palmer retires and then see Stanton as a short term solution until they develop a QB? I wonder where these two guys are at when it comes to the QB position.

 

[oaken1]

A question of curiosity, Let's say the Cardinals resign Stanton. Does BA and SK view Stanton as a place holder once Palmer hangs up the cleats to be the starter until they find another QB whether it be through the draft or FA? Could they be holding off until Palmer retires and then see Stanton as a short term solution until they develop a QB? I wonder where these two guys are at when it comes to the QB position.

IMO they view Drew as..." as bad as we can get at the position and still have a chance to win". any drop off from Stanton and our season is over. He is an insurance policy...if Palmer gets hurt,.. or he retires,.. and they cant find a guy...then we got Drew.



Need to start calling him AFLAC

 

[Chopper0080]

A question of curiosity, Let's say the Cardinals resign Stanton. Does BA and SK view Stanton as a place holder once Palmer hangs up the cleats to be the starter until they find another QB whether it be through the draft or FA? Could they be holding off until Palmer retires and then see Stanton as a short term solution until they develop a QB? I wonder where these two guys are at when it comes to the QB position.

Stanton is what he is at this point. He is a marginal backup who is on the roster because he knows the system. The second someone more talented is brought in, Stanton is gone. There is not a plan for Stanton to ever be the starting QB for this team.

 

[Bodha]

I don't like anybody in FA. Id rather spend that money on our own guys.


As for the draft, that's a nice lineup. For our traditional 3rd round small school guy, Id rather take Matt Judon over Ochi. Judon was the best small school pass rusher in the nation. We're talking 20 sacks, 20 TFLs last year alone. That's monstrous.

 

[kerouac9]

A question of curiosity, Let's say the Cardinals resign Stanton. Does BA and SK view Stanton as a place holder once Palmer hangs up the cleats to be the starter until they find another QB whether it be through the draft or FA? Could they be holding off until Palmer retires and then see Stanton as a short term solution until they develop a QB? I wonder where these two guys are at when it comes to the QB position.

I think that Stanton is a replacement-level QB. He's going to be among the five-worst starters in the NFL if he plays any significant time, but he'll be among the top 10 backups — he's basically Derek Anderson. You saw what happened when Anderson was asked to play an extended starting role.

Stanton is what he is at this point. He is a marginal backup who is on the roster because he knows the system. The second someone more talented is brought in, Stanton is gone. There is not a plan for Stanton to ever be the starting QB for this team.

I think that if the Cards got a rookie QB in the first round and Palmer was gone, Stanton would serve as the "rabbit" for the youngster. The rookie would have to win the starting job. I think the big unknown with Stanton is how he is in the QB room. I believe that the team has faith that he'd give them an chance to win if Palmer were down for a short period.

I think you're saying that the team doesn't believe that Stanton is or could be the "heir apparent", and I think you're right. But I think he could be a transitional QB to someone who could be good for 4-6 games.

 

[juza76]

I think that Stanton is a replacement-level QB. He's going to be among the five-worst starters in the NFL if he plays any significant time, but he'll be among the top 10 backups — he's basically Derek Anderson. You saw what happened when Anderson was asked to play an extended starting role.



I think that if the Cards got a rookie QB in the first round and Palmer was gone, Stanton would serve as the "rabbit" for the youngster. The rookie would have to win the starting job. I think the big unknown with Stanton is how he is in the QB room. I believe that the team has faith that he'd give them an chance to win if Palmer were down for a short period.

I think you're saying that the team doesn't believe that Stanton is or could be the "heir apparent", and I think you're right. But I think he could be a transitional QB to someone who could be good for 4-6 games.

The only insurance we have from Stanton
Not chance to have a winning season
Something is perceived also from teammates
At least with a rookie u have some hope to compete

 

[Chopper0080]

I think that Stanton is a replacement-level QB. He's going to be among the five-worst starters in the NFL if he plays any significant time, but he'll be among the top 10 backups — he's basically Derek Anderson. You saw what happened when Anderson was asked to play an extended starting role.



I think that if the Cards got a rookie QB in the first round and Palmer was gone, Stanton would serve as the "rabbit" for the youngster. The rookie would have to win the starting job. I think the big unknown with Stanton is how he is in the QB room. I believe that the team has faith that he'd give them an chance to win if Palmer were down for a short period.

I think you're saying that the team doesn't believe that Stanton is or could be the "heir apparent", and I think you're right. But I think he could be a transitional QB to someone who could be good for 4-6 games.

Yes, that is what I was trying to say.

 

[BW52]

Speaking of pass rushers what about this guy from CFL that the Cards signed a few weeks back.He had 16 or 17 sacks in the CFL.Must have some ability.The Cards need a pass rush but its time to let show of the young guys show what they can do.Enough with washed of veterans.(except Freeney).Golden ,OkaforRiddick,Wagenmann all need a chance to show what they can do.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Tamba Hali. Fits the profile. Similar to John Abraham.

 

[Chopper0080]

Speaking of pass rushers what about this guy from CFL that the Cards signed a few weeks back.He had 16 or 17 sacks in the CFL.Must have some ability.The Cards need a pass rush but its time to let show of the young guys show what they can do.Enough with washed of veterans.(except Freeney).Golden ,OkaforRiddick,Wagenmann all need a chance to show what they can do.

They have shown what they can do, and it isn't much. You can make the argument for the guy from the CFL, or at least an argument that we haven't seen anything from him yet. But for the rest, do you really believe that Riddick or Wagenmann wouldn't have been starting if they showed real pass rush ability?

Pass rushers are like QBs. You either have what it takes to be special or you don't, and when you have it, it flashes bright, early, and often.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tamba Hali. Fits the profile. Similar to John Abraham.

If he is available, I am sure the Cards will make the phone call.

 

[cardncubfan]

They have shown what they can do, and it isn't much. You can make the argument for the guy from the CFL, or at least an argument that we haven't seen anything from him yet. But for the rest, do you really believe that Riddick or Wagenmann wouldn't have been starting if they showed real pass rush ability?

Pass rushers are like QBs. You either have what it takes to be special or you don't, and when you have it, it flashes bright, early, and often.

I believe Wagenmann was injured in camp last year.

 

[BW52]

They have shown what they can do, and it isn't much. You can make the argument for the guy from the CFL, or at least an argument that we haven't seen anything from him yet. But for the rest, do you really believe that Riddick or Wagenmann wouldn't have been starting if they showed real pass rush ability?

Pass rushers are like QBs. You either have what it takes to be special or you don't, and when you have it, it flashes bright, early, and often.

Wagenmann was injured early and never got a chance.I don`t mind drafting a pass rusher or two but I don`t like trying to revive some older washed up guys.Cards have gooten some good returns but they also wasted money on other guys who played poorly .

 

[Austin Zonie]

Riddick missed most of the offseason. Never seemed to get a chance to sniff the field after that. Be curious to know the coaches opinion of him at this point.

 

[WildBB]

Bullard would be a solid pick. But I think they said it's the best DT class in years. Not sure how they address that since Olb, CB and C could be the priorities. What about Tapper in the 2-3rd rd? Kid has got wheels. I also like Nassib if he's around in the 2nd. Other player i'd like to get there is the CB from Miami, Burns.

 

[juza76]

Riddick missed most of the offseason. Never seemed to get a chance to sniff the field after that. Be curious to know the coaches opinion of him at this point.

Somers didnt hear anything from coaches about him
And he mentioned he used to hear something about young players development in the end of the the season...so this is not a good sign he said
I guess the chronicles of riddick in this case has just 1 chapter

 

[Ohcrap75]

Panthers just released DE Charles Johnson. Last year he had a hamstring issue early in the season and only started nine games with only one sack. He did however have three sacks in the playoffs. He had 31 sacks in the three previous years and is 29 years old. I am not aware of him playing anything other than 4-3 DE, but could be wrong. He is listed at 6-2 282, which would probably place him as OLB on run downs and then playing DE on passing downs. I don't think he is plan A, but I like him better than Woodley last year if we strike out on other targets. Any interest?

 

[Chopper0080]

Bullard would be a solid pick. But I think they said it's the best DT class in years. Not sure how they address that since Olb, CB and C could be the priorities. What about Tapper in the 2-3rd rd? Kid has got wheels. I also like Nassib if he's around in the 2nd. Other player i'd like to get there is the CB from Miami, Burns.

Free agency is going to have a ton to do with the Cardinals approach to the draft. That being said, I will be shocked if the Cardinals do not take advantage of this defensive line class.

Tapper is a good athlete, but i haven't seen much from him. Mayock discussed him playing out of position at OK which could be possible, but I wouldn't go higher than a 3rd or 4th even with that.

Nassib is a guy who I am leery of. No production until he was playing at a significantly older age than other players at a big time college program. Wins with power which is a natural advantage for Sr athletes. I would personally stay away.

I like Burns, but he is more of a 3rd for me. I like Alexander and Apple. There are a couple other CBs that I need to look at before I make any proclamations.

The S class is looking better than I thought which is forcing me to look a bit further into some players like Sean Davis, Justin Simmons, and TJ Green who fit the Cardinals size profile. Karl Joseph was a guy who I didn't dig very much into because of his size, but Mayock comparing him to Earl Thomas will make me look again.

 

[oaken1]

Free agency is going to have a ton to do with the Cardinals approach to the draft. That being said, I will be shocked if the Cardinals do not take advantage of this defensive line class.

Tapper is a good athlete, but i haven't seen much from him. Mayock discussed him playing out of position at OK which could be possible, but I wouldn't go higher than a 3rd or 4th even with that.

Nassib is a guy who I am leery of. No production until he was playing at a significantly older age than other players at a big time college program. Wins with power which is a natural advantage for Sr athletes. I would personally stay away.
I like Burns, but he is more of a 3rd for me. I like Alexander and Apple. There are a couple other CBs that I need to look at before I make any proclamations.

The S class is looking better than I thought which is forcing me to look a bit further into some players like Sean Davis, Justin Simmons, and TJ Green who fit the Cardinals size profile. Karl Joseph was a guy who I didn't dig very much into because of his size, but Mayock comparing him to Earl Thomas will make me look again.

mistake IMO.
Nassib is only 22 years old...younger than others in this draft. The guy busted his ass the past three years and added 60 pounds of muscle to his frame. By all accounts he is motivated and one of the hardest working most determined players you will find anywhere.
repeat...22 years old.... not 24,..just 22....
he was a walk on at Penn...at 6'6" and like 210 pounds, a bean pole with no power...he worked his ass off to change that and it culminated in a 15 sack season..... with some NFL coaching to teach him better balance the kid could be a great DE in the NFL


I like Sean Davis out of Maryland too.... have him in my mock as our first pick in the fifth

 

[oaken1]

Ogbah 22 yo

S. Calhoun 23 yo

K. Dodd 23 yo

while most of the defensive line guys are 21...being 22 hardly qualifies Nassib as having an physical advantage based on his age...
in your eyes does age lower the draft stock of these guys?

 

[Bodha]

mistake IMO.
Nassib is only 22 years old...younger than others in this draft. The guy busted his ass the past three years and added 60 pounds of muscle to his frame. By all accounts he is motivated and one of the hardest working most determined players you will find anywhere.
repeat...22 years old.... not 24,..just 22....
he was a walk on at Penn...at 6'6" and like 210 pounds, a bean pole with no power...he worked his ass off to change that and it culminated in a 15 sack season..... with some NFL coaching to teach him better balance the kid could be a great DE in the NFL


I like Sean Davis out of Maryland too.... have him in my mock as our first pick in the fifth

Nassibs age is irrelevant, hes just not that talented. Much respect to him for coming as far as hes come. Growing physically and putting the work in. But at some point talent is the deciding factor. At most he might be another Josh Mauro. A guy we all like, but a guy we already have on the roster. Nassib is likely a round 4+ option.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ogbah 22 yo

S. Calhoun 23 yo

K. Dodd 23 yo

while most of the defensive line guys are 21...being 22 hardly qualifies Nassib as having an physical advantage based on his age...
in your eyes does age lower the draft stock of these guys?

Yes, because talent and athletic ability flashes early, while work ethic can make you more productive than will translate to the NFL.

Nassib is a guy who never flashed until he was older, able to put on weight, and have a physical advantage over his competition. It doesn't mean he can't play in the league, but it does highlight limited athletic ability. I have zero interest in taking a guy like that in the early rounds of the draft. It is one reason soph's have such a low bust rate. in order to be drafted high, their athletic ability has to be off the charts.

Calhoun flashed when he was a Soph but he never took the next step which evaluators were waiting for. This highlights ability, but maybe a lack of understanding or work ethic. That would keep him off my first round radar.

The hardest part of evaluating college talent is figuring out how they were successful in college and if that translates vs NFL talent. It is why there are more pass rushers in college than in the pros.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Free Agency Plan for AZ

Adam "Pacman" Jones - He will sign a 3 year 4.5 mill per year deal with a 3 mill signing bonus. Adam takes care of all punt returns and upgrades the position 1000 fold. He is a solid CB that can match well with PP. His past off the field issues are long past him.

Alex Mack - He will sign a 4 year 8 mill per year deal to anchor the O line

Cards will look to sign another guard and DE...though no one of huge notes

Draft-
Cards will draft BPA unless Geoff drops below 15 where they will move up to draft their QBOF.

 

[Bodha]

Adam "Pacman" Jones - He will sign a 3 year 4.5 mill per year deal with a 3 mill signing bonus. Adam takes care of all punt returns and upgrades the position 1000 fold. He is a solid CB that can match well with PP. His past off the field issues are long past him.

Jones helped Burfict with the Bengals playoff game collapse a few months ago. Aside from Burficts PFs, I believe Jones had 2 calls on that last drive, + he was the one who went after Joey Porter.

+ He was very disrespectful to Antonio Brown, after Burfict took his head off saying he was faking it.

That guy is a zilch, no thank you. no class

 

[az jam]

Sorry, but no way will Bidwill allow Pacman Jones to be signed by the Cards.