Friday Afternoon Thoughts: Game 7

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1. Rustling Up Russell Wilson.

The Cardinals did their best to pressure him from all angles---kudos in particular to big efforts from messers Abraham, Washington, Campbell and Shaughnessy.

Problem is---

a.) the guy is a Houdini with the football.
b.) the way the refs called the game is like giving Justin Verlander a wider strike zone (which umps often do---as if he needs it, right?---which makes him practically unhittable)---well same thing for Wilson---you should be able to tackle him the way Abraham did because you never know whether he will fake the pass and tuck it---and just as disconcerting were the three non-calls on intentional downing which allowed the Seahawks to maintain their drives---and all three, imo, were clearly intentional. So, if you can't hit him and you can't get a flag when he intentionally grounds the ball---you don't stand a good chance of beating him.
c). it's like he has an extra pair of eyes, especially on the run---his three TDs were picture perfect throws, two of which were where he bought seemingly 5-7 seconds of time---and in the NFL if a QB like Wilson or anyone good can buy that amount of time, you are going to get toasted.
d). the falling down pass on 3rd and 3 was truly amazing---just that he even knew where his TE was under that kind of pressure and while going downward.

The Seahawks are going to be very good for a very long time. That's what's most disconcerting. They had a vision as to how to build their roster and the personality of their team and they have done it superbly.

2. Whiz Ball is Back.

Like Led Zeppelin sang: The song remains the same.

The Ol' Dink and Dunk Ad Nauseum with the oh btw every now and then we will try running the ball.

To me this development is not at all what i expected from BA---and it is the most dispiriting aspect about BA's version of the Cardinals.

No mea culpa from me or anyone else who bought into BA's rhetoric---because BA can talk a cat down from a tuna truck.

When he said his RBs need to be blockers in order to play for him, I thought, man, this guy gets it.

Only---BAs RBs are actually not even lined up to block in key situations---or---when they are, they quickly release as receivers...just as an interior DT has broken free up the middle or an edge rusher has a straight shot at the QB.

Wasn't it BA who claimed that in his offense his RBs are not featured as receivers---they are blockers first and foremost?

That---my friends---was an egregious lie.

The empty backfields on virtually every third down---is Whisenhunt all the way---pure Whisenhunt.

Not helping a struggling LT when he is getting manhandled? Pure Whisenhunt.

You know these recent Steeler OCs---they sure talk a good game about establishing a physical running attack---but it's pure cow dung.

Now we know why Bill Cowher was often at odds with Whisenhunt and Arians. It was Cowher who insisted on the smashmouth running attack. It was Cowher who instilled and insisted upon developing a smashmouth mentality. Whisenhunt was the trick play guy who wanted to reinvent the Steelers' passing game---which Arians eventually did---but like the way the Cardinals' o-lines were built, the Steelers were trying to run a high octane passing attack with a bunch of beefy run blockers---and guess what?

The QB in that system needs full body armor and a stretcher with and IV and a box of splints ready at all times on the sidelines.

Look at the Seahawks---do they just happen to run the ball?

Running the ball for the Seahawks is an event in and of itself!

The 49ers can go into Gore Mode.

The Seahawks can go into Beast Mode.

What can the Cardinals go into?

Pumpkin Pie a la Mode?

3. New Nickname for BA...it's NBA.

As in---just what lazy teams do in the NBA:

a.) go through the motions for the first half just to try to keep things close enough.
b.) make half-time adjustments
c). decide to start mounting a comeback in the second half
d.) hope to sneak a win out at the last minute

4. The 3 Second Rule---NBA Style:

Empty backfield---shotgun formation---5 short distance options---and 3 seconds to throw the ball or you turn the ball over.

The thing is: ANY defense can play hard for three seconds.

ANY defense can switch on picks and dog the passing lanes if it means knowing all you have to do is take it away for three seconds.

5. Life in the Fast Lane.

They should play this song each time Carson Palmer breaks the huddle on third down.

Because every time hie will stand in the DEs Fast Lane and rather than step inside of the shoulder, he just stands there right in the path.

It doesn't matter who is playing LT---if your QB doesn't step up into the pocket---the DE will have straight shots all game long.

As for having a pocket to step into---this is why you keep a RB in close---so he can step up and keep the pocket secure when a DT gets a good push toward the QB.

6. Separation Anxiety.

Not only was it hard for any of the 5 receivers to gain separation in 3 seconds---how come when Palmer managed on 3-4 occasions to run wide of the pocket last night, he couldn't find any open WRs?

The closest he cam to completing a pass in that situation was when he got the ball stripped by the sideline and was nearly tipped up into the hands of a hard-charging Seahawk.

7. Spam Blocker.

One could make the case that the Cardinals' best two blocks of the night came from Fitz on one leg!

How sweet it was to see Fitz pop Sherman on a nifty crack back block.

Funny though, that Fitz went over to say he was sorry to Richard Sherman. At least that;s what it looked like.

Classy, perhaps---but kind of the way this offense is---an excuse me offense.

8. On-Side Note.

Has Jay Feely ever kicked a decent on-side kick? You know, the ten yard kind with tumble and slippery juice?

9. What's the Two Point?

For a team that supposedly practices situations---the two point plays the past two weeks have been the best the team can come up with?

10. 4-Gone Conclusion?

Ist and Goal from the 4 yard line---and not even a threat of a running play?
 

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Mitch, in answer to point #10. I think that Stanton is the better option in that situation, with at least the threat of a QB draw play.
 

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We fired Whis to hire Whis.
We released L. Davis to Hire L. Davis.
We released Beanie to Hire Beanie.
And so on and so forth.
 

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I saw a Seahawks fan last night with a shirt that said "Every Play I'm Russellin'".

That was awesome.

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I find the idea that somehow a different coach would have this team dramatically better when the roster problems are so obvious kinda silly.

Last night -- arguably the only "better than average" player on the offensive line was Lyle Sendlein. LT is arguably the second most important position on offense, and the Cards starter is a August waiver wire pickup.

I am not holding Palmer blameless, but when the offensive line is made up of (at best) journeymen players -- it makes everything you try on offense so much harder.

about the only thing encouraging me is that at least this GM recognizes (now) that we have a problem --
 

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6. Separation Anxiety.

Not only was it hard for any of the 5 receivers to gain separation in 3 seconds---how come when Palmer managed on 3-4 occasions to run wide of the pocket last night, he couldn't find any open WRs?

The closest he cam to completing a pass in that situation was when he got the ball stripped by the sideline and was nearly tipped up into the hands of a hard-charging Seahawk.

See, I thought this was just Seattle being awesome, IMO - they flooded Carson's right side and opened the left side with a LB trotting along 5 yards deep. They get pressure, Palmer runs left and can't throw it across his body, and he is so slow - either the DE or that trotting LB will catch him 2 yards upfield, at worst.

And our counter was that slant to Floyd who would then run straight sideways with WR picking off defenders - and that worked pretty well too a couple of times.
 

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about the only thing encouraging me is that at least this GM recognizes (now) that we have a problem --

the scary thing about this statement is that Keim has been with this team forever and only "now" recognizes that we have a problem.

there were multiple opportunities to shore up the LT position this year with three good-decent LT available via FA or trade and we punted on all of them. We valued quantity of FA over quality FA. Dansby was a great pickup, Shaughnessey was decent, but there's a reason everyone else was pretty much available for cheap one year deals. you get what you pay for in this league.
 

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The Ol' Dink and Dunk Ad Nauseum with the oh btw every now and then we will try running the ball.

Last night the Cardinals were in Lindley mode. Couldn't protect the QB so had to go to the Dink and Dunk. 8.6 yards per completion to Seattles 13.1. 10.5 is about average. I know the difference doesn't add up to much but it is a good indicator of what kind of passing game you have going. Last year the YPC dropped from the 10 range to 8 with Lindley as CKW went to short quick passes to keep from allowing 10 sacks a game and Lindley seriously injuring a fan with one of his errant long passes.
 

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yawn

I find the idea that somehow a different coach would have this team dramatically better when the roster problems are so obvious kinda silly.

Last night -- arguably the only "better than average" player on the offensive line was Lyle Sendlein. LT is arguably the second most important position on offense, and the Cards starter is a August waiver wire pickup.

I am not holding Palmer blameless, but when the offensive line is made up of (at best) journeymen players -- it makes everything you try on offense so much harder.

about the only thing encouraging me is that at least this GM recognizes (now) that we have a problem --

This is exactly why some thought the new coach would make the team drastically better. His crew were supposed to be light years better at identifying and coaching olinemen than Russ Grimm. But instead we see the same old Cardinal offensive line problems.
 

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This is exactly why some thought the new coach would make the team drastically better. His crew were supposed to be light years better at identifying and coaching olinemen than Russ Grimm. But instead we see the same old Cardinal offensive line problems.

maybe

but seriously: if simply signing LT off the waiver wire and coaching them up was effective -- nobody would spent a top 10 pick on them

I think that due to overall cap situation, they hoped that Levi would be the 2011 version -- not the 2007-2010 one. They ended up getting a third version, actually worse than the original.

There are undrafted guys who become very good offensive linemen -- but you usually dont get 4 of them all at once on the same line.
 

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yawn

I find the idea that somehow a different coach would have this team dramatically better when the roster problems are so obvious kinda silly.

Last night -- arguably the only "better than average" player on the offensive line was Lyle Sendlein. LT is arguably the second most important position on offense, and the Cards starter is a August waiver wire pickup.

I am not holding Palmer blameless, but when the offensive line is made up of (at best) journeymen players -- it makes everything you try on offense so much harder.

about the only thing encouraging me is that at least this GM recognizes (now) that we have a problem --

Bingo, everyone that blamed Whiz last year for the offense is now seeing what Whiz was doing last year. You can't run major parts of your offense if you can't pass protect. With Whiz is was his fault the OL didn't get better, it kind of is with Arians too, he didn't make a concerted effort beyond getting Winston and he appears to be getting worse now.

I keep saying this, Arians is a slimmed down Charlie Weis, he had everyone convinced that we were going to be at a significant advantage because of his ability to play call, giving us a "strategic" edge in every game. It's just not true because in the end, if you can't pass block and if the QB throws picks, you won't be any good.

I saw one play last night where I said wow that was a really clever design, they lined up Housler at FB to get him matched up on a LB and then completed a 17-18 yard pass to him for a first down. All of this talk about scheme went out the window when games started and the OL is still bad.

Arians isn't a bad coach, but he over sold people on what he could do. This team is staying in games because of the defense and special teams, the parts of the game Arians is least involved in.
 

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Mitch -

1. Wilson's very good but he's not God. We got to him more than a few times.

2. Wiz Schmiz. BA wil do what he feels he has to in order to win, and he'll say whatever he has to if he feels it wii help the team - which is why I've tended to tune him out lately.

3. I repeat - If BA feels engineering a "bicycle race" is the best way of winning, that's how he'll game plan it.

4. I agree. I also think his play calling has become preductable.

5. Agree. I don't think it's that CP is dumb, but I do think that in those situations, he's "numb."

6. The combination of a porous OL and a relatively immobile QB who can't throw on the run is deadly to an offense. Either fix the OL or change to a more mobile QB. The existing combination is unworkable.

7. Equally impressuive as Fitz's block on the play was the way Floyd was setting up various blocks after the catch.

8. I'm pretty sure Jay has squibbed a couple of ten-yards and a high-bounce on-siders since he's been a Cardinal. Just not recently (No reason to).

9. Agree. We were right to try, but the play-design and execution was pretty ordinary (& most important, unsuccessful).

10. BA may have been taking what the defense was giving us and working with an offensive cast not known for its inside running effctiveness (earlier Mendenhall TD notwithstanding).

My main take-away from this game is that "we were who everyone thought we were" - a notch below SF and Seattle in our division but good enough to give them something to worry about. (Many of us hoped we'd be more - that our QB, OL and run game would be much improved vs. last year - but it just hasn't happened). I do think we're on a par athletically with other teams in our division, but those teams are fundamentally more sound than we are. Simplistic solution:Become fundamentally more sound and we've gotta shot (a big "if.")
 
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maybe

but seriously: if simply signing LT off the waiver wire and coaching them up was effective -- nobody would spent a top 10 pick on them

I think that due to overall cap situation, they hoped that Levi would be the 2011 version -- not the 2007-2010 one. They ended up getting a third version, actually worse than the original.

There are undrafted guys who become very good offensive linemen -- but you usually dont get 4 of them all at once on the same line.

That explains why it hasn't worked but does nothing to address the expectations that better offensive line coaching would make the Cards line better. At one time the only UDFA on our line had been starting since 2007 and there were no free agents from the waiver wire.

Add in that many also felt all we needed was better QB play to go along with improved oline coaching and we'd be playoff contenders and then the team brings in Carson Palmer to work with supposed QB geniuses Arians and Moore and you can understand why fans expected more from Arians and are disappointed that it hasn't happened.
 

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My main take-away from this game is that "we were who everyone thought we were" - a notch below SF and Seattle in our division but good enough to give them something to worry about. (Many of us hoped we'd be more - that our QB, OL and run game would be much improved vs. last year - but it just hasn't happened). I do think we're on a par athletically with other teams in our division, but those teams are fundamentally more sound than we are. Simplistic solution:Become fundamentally more sound and we've gotta shot (a big "if.")
This pretty much sum it up.
 
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Mitch -

1. Wilson's very good but he's not God. We got to him more than a few times.

2. Wiz Schmiz. BA wil do what he feels he has to in order to win, and he'll say whatever he has to if he feels it wii help the team - which is why I've tended to tune him out lately.

3. I repeat - If BA feels engineering a "bicycle race" is the best way of winning, that's how he'll game plan it.

4. I agree. I also think his play calling has become preductable.

5. Agree. I don't think it's that CP is dumb, but I do think that in those situations, he's "numb."

6. The combination of a porous OL and a relatively immobile QB who can't throw on the run is deadly to an offense. Either fix the OL or change to a more mobile QB. The existing combination is unworkable.

7. Equally impressuive as Fitz's block on the play was the way Floyd was setting up various blocks after the catch.

8. I'm pretty sure Jay has squibbed a couple of ten-yards and a high-bounce on-siders since he's been a Cardinal. Just not recently (No reason to).

9. Agree. We were right to try, but the play-design and execution was pretty ordinary (& most important, unsuccessful).

10. BA may have been taking what the defense was giving us and working with an offensive cast not known for its inside running effctiveness (earlier Mendenhall TD notwithstanding).

My main take-away from this game is that "we were who everyone thought we were" - a notch below SF and Seattle in our division but good enough to give them something to worry about. (Many of us hoped we'd be more - that our QB, OL and run game would be much improved vs. last year - but it just hasn't happened). I do think we're on a par athletically with other teams in our division, but those teams are fundamentally more sound than we are. Simplistic solution:Become fundamentally more sound and we've gotta shot (a big "if.")

Good post Jeff. :thumbup:
 

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Let's give a bit of credit to the Seahawks. They are a well put together team.

But in today's NFL it all starts with the QB. CArson simply blows especially playing behind a subpar o-line.

As a rookie Luck started on a team that won 1 game and they made the playoffs.

RGIII got his team to the playoffs.'

Russell Wilson got hs team to the playoffs.

All of these QB's were coming on losing , pathetic teams yet were able to turn them around and win.

We need a QB. Let me say it again. WE NEED A F"IN QB! Go get a mobile and accurate QB and this team will improve. Do we need to get better on the o-line? Yes. But just the threat of a QB rolling out, escaping the rush, completing a pass when he should have been sacked or scrambling for an 8 yard gain rips the ever lovin heart out of the defense.

Add all that to the fact that you can't hit the QB anymoreand it becomes the MAIN ingredient for a winning team. Period.

Palmer is immobile, slow and terribly inaccurate unless all the stars are lined up just right. He shows poor judgement and has thrown 4 ints returned inside of our 10 yard line and at least 1 pick six.

Terrible. I'm most dissappointed that BA hasn't at least MENTIONED accountability at the QB position let alone talk about making a change.
 

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Our line is pathetic but Carson is the main problem. His lack of mobility is concerning but I don't necessarily mean what others do--I'm not talking about his lack of running ability but rather how slow he is coming out of his break from center. By the time he hits his back plant foot he already has to start climbing the pocket. That's not all the line--most of it is him not exploding out from under center like the good/great QB's. People wonder why he doesn't have more than 3 seconds, it's because it takes him that long to hit his plant foot.

The other main problem obviously is the line--the most glaring problem is picking up any kind of stunts. When the guards pass their man off, the tackles are too slow to pick it up. They end up getting a small piece of the block and the defenders leverage wins every time. This happened over and over again last night. Winston is horrible, and should be replaced by a younger player in Massie. Sowell is equally bad but can't be blamed for the situation he's been put in. Players like him will get beat often--you just have to hope it isn't during a game-turning point in the game.

I've got no real gripes with the D except to say the safeties we let go were leagues better than what we have. Like NFL vs CFL better.

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Arians isn't a bad coach, but he over sold people on what he could do. This team is staying in games because of the defense and special teams, the parts of the game Arians is least involved in.

Maybe Arians is like one of these people most of us have worked with, at one time or another - their straight talk and air of confidence just doesn't jive with their ability, at the end of the day....


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“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell

Ooo...I like that.
 

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7 games in. Too funny.

What will really be funny is if we manage to go 5-4 the rest of the way and finish 8-8 like Whisenhunt did in his first year. Just watch, if that happens, what Mitch's postseason wrap up will be like.
 

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It's way too early to jump ship on Arians, but I think the signs that this team still has severe talent deficits throughout the roster are quite clear.

On defense we still lack consistent, young, talented edge rushers. Sure we can get pressure, but it's at the cost of providing coverage support to our secondary. Our group of safeties are also ridiculously poor; Yeremiah Bell just doesn't have the pass coverage skills to play in the modern NFL.

On offense, our offensive line, runningbacks, tight ends, and quarterbacks severely lack talent.

This is just a highly flawed team, and the only way forward is to build through the draft. What troubles me is that while I generally like the players Keim selects, I'm not confident in his ability to identify value in the draft. Kevin Minter is a nice player, but was our need at ILB so great that we Minter instead of an edge player, tight end, or other more pressing need? Even our WR corps lacks the type of dynamic receiver that can get open on his own.

If you look at Seattle, they found value even later in the draft and have had nearly unprecedented success in recent years. I'm not confident we'll see this from Keim.
 

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Arians is a BS artist, a blowhard in the same vein as Buddy Ryan was. He comes into town sporting that assinine hat & making stupid comments like "Cardinals won't beat Cardinals". I'm already sick of looking at & listening to him. A pathetic hire. He'll be gone after 2 years.
 

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It's way too early to jump ship on Arians, but I think the signs that this team still has severe talent deficits throughout the roster are quite clear.

On defense we still lack consistent, young, talented edge rushers. Sure we can get pressure, but it's at the cost of providing coverage support to our secondary. Our group of safeties are also ridiculously poor; Yeremiah Bell just doesn't have the pass coverage skills to play in the modern NFL.

On offense, our offensive line, runningbacks, tight ends, and quarterbacks severely lack talent.

This is just a highly flawed team, and the only way forward is to build through the draft. What troubles me is that while I generally like the players Keim selects, I'm not confident in his ability to identify value in the draft. Kevin Minter is a nice player, but was our need at ILB so great that we Minter instead of an edge player, tight end, or other more pressing need? Even our WR corps lacks the type of dynamic receiver that can get open on his own.

If you look at Seattle, they found value even later in the draft and have had nearly unprecedented success in recent years. I'm not confident we'll see this from Keim.

Agree. Only have to look at the abysmal return from the last 6 or so drafts to see why there is such a dearth of talent. That's a lot of wastage to claw back.
We're not even developing a cadre of solid starters to go with our few stars.
 

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Mitch-----I agree with much of what you talked about. Some of it, however concerns things that the Cardinals have no control of as in officiating, the talent level of certain opponents, etc. While game planning can help to some degree with talent of the opponent, not game planning properly is our fault, not the opponent's. Most of all, I am in complete agreement of the return to Whiz Ball under Bruce Arians.

I began to shudder, the farther into the season we got, as I watched, the passes decreased in length, and increased in numbers. While we have had some real success running the ball, it is being ignored more and more. The straw that broke the camel's back for me, was when BA announced that he likes calling his own plays (BECAUSE HE BECOMES BORED ON THE SIDELINE DURING GAMES). That is almost exactly the attitude that Whiz took about play calling. It was fun for him no matter that he already had a Coordinator who was quite capable of play calling.

In my opinion, no one from the front Office, or from Ownersip ever explained to Whiz, or to BA exactly what his responsibilities as a HEAD COACH were, or both of them would have been more than busy enough fixing what didn't work, to take on play calling as well. I would think that watching the game from the sidelines, notebook in hand, would be more than exciting enough, because if you are like me, I go crazy when we fail to address repeat problems, and simply lay the blame on someone different the next game.

The truly sad part of all this, is that MOST of the roster players are busting their butts to play as hard and as tough as they can. Some are not being put into the best position to succeed, some simply do not get it, and some are just not capable. BA has enough position coaches and assistants to delegate all this responsibility out. He should be more than busy, simply holding those coaches accountable for selecting positions, and coaching those selections up. He was not hired to have fun, or to relieve his boredom. He was hired to turn this roster into a team that played winning football. I believe it is time for an attitude adjustment.
 
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