Krangodnzr
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The guy quit pulling for the Cards because of Jake...
? From Broncos fan...Are you rootin for Jake in the playoffs?
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The guy quit pulling for the Cards because of Jake...
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Krang-
Your posts in this thread fit your avatar to a tee.
Your posts in this thread fit your avatar to a tee.
Krangodnzr
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And I couldn't care less what you think.
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Point taken. But Shanny's not asking him to "light the world on fire". Its no secret our offense is built around C.Portis. So asking Jake to hit Rod Smith on a fly pattern is not in the play book. So yes the offense has been "simplified" for him to some point. As far as the effort put forth from Jake while he was in AZ. I obviously wouldn't know. But there are 2 sides to every story. Maybe his work ethic is a reflection of management or coaching. Just MHO.
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Krangodnzr
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The Cards coaching staff didn't hold Jake accountable for his terrible play. Any QB in any other city would've been benched if they were as bad as Plummer was here.
The pro-Plummer guys here blamed everyone but Jake; but Jake was his own self enemy, and the coaching staff allowed him to be.
I give Shanny credit for Jake. Total credit. Jake is playing better than he really is, and it is a testament to how good Shanny is (and also how bad Griese is).
Jake is a good complimentary piece, and he fits well in Shanny's philosophy. I give Jake that respect. But the claims of the pro-Plummer crowd around here are ridiculous.
Jake isn't a superstar, but he can be successful with the right players around him. Elway on the other hand made the players around him better.
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I like when Jake "adjusted" his crotch and flipped the Westside crowd the bird! and then tried to say he was saying it to another player who said something about his mom. The "I dont give a rats ass" was also good....ahh the memories. But then again we did get to go to the playoffs in '98 and he did have alot to do with that.
All of you Jake bashers are freakin idoits! He did great things for the Devils, and he got the Cards the first playoff win of my lifetime. I hope he does well and I wish him success when he plays everyone except the Cards.
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It takes a rather inventive mind to deny the obvious. Jake has made a positive difference in Denver. The record shows it... and the stats support it.
Of course, if Denver doesn't win the Super Bowl, we can look forward to a barrage of "Krang the Spam' reasoning on how Jake was the problem; no doubt - supported by "Russ the Stat".
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Krangodnzr
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Originally posted by Northern Card
It takes a rather inventive mind to deny the obvious. Jake has made a positive difference in Denver. The record shows it... and the stats support it.
Of course, if Denver doesn't win the Super Bowl, we can look forward to a barrage of "Krang the Spam' reasoning on how Jake was the problem; no doubt - supported by "Russ the Stat".
A positive difference as a freakin' role player. He is more like Trent Dilfer with the Ravens than Kurt Warner with the Rams.
It takes a rather inventive mind to deny the obvious. Jake Plummer is a compliementary player, not a star. More like Phil Simms than John Elway.
Krangodnzr
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freakin "idoits"?
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
A positive difference as a freakin' role player. He is more like Trent Dilfer with the Ravens than Kurt Warner with the Rams.
It takes a rather inventive mind to deny the obvious. Jake Plummer is a compliementary player, not a star. More like Phil Simms than John Elway.
First time, I've heard of a first string QB, described as a "role player".
Should he win a Super Bowl, I'm sure Jake won't have any problem with having his name associated with Dilfer and Simms... and not be favourably compared to say Marino, Moon - and other greats - who share the destinction of never having won the big one.
Kurt Warner... oh yeah... the backup in St. Louis... forgot him.
Krangodnzr
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Well is he a superstar QB? No he is not. Jake isn't a 30 TD per season QB. But can he fill the role of a QB that hands off a lot, completes play action passes, and scrambles when needed? Yes he can. But he isn't a superstar QB (and not worth 6+ million per season).
Marino/Moon never had the advantage of having great teams surrounding them. From the way you make it sound, it's as if Marino and Moon cost their teams the chance to win the big game, while Simms and Dilfer won the games for them.
Originally posted by Northern Card
Kurt Warner... oh yeah... the backup in St. Louis... forgot him.
Backup smackup. Kurt Warner in 2-3 years, has more 1st half tds (more than twice as many) than Jake's entire 7 year career.
The fact of the matter, is that Jake WAS a part of the problem here. But he has improved under Shanahan, and it has revealed more systemic problems here. But Jake's work ethic improved in Denver according to numerous team insiders.
Jake was used as a franchise QB here, but in Denver he is more of a Trent Dilfer/Phil Simmsesque caretaker QB, and he has been marvelous (better than Simms/Dilfer) in that role. He is a flawed player, but those flaws can be overcome, and Shanny has done a terrific job disguising those flaws and playing to Plummer's strengths.
I would hope Jake wouldn't want to be compared to a wifebeater, ring or no ring.
I agree with Krang - that sentence is one of the funniest ever posted on this site.
Krangodnzr
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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
I agree with Krang - that sentence is one of the funniest ever posted on this site.
Even an idiot wouldn't spell idiot wrong, so I wonder what that makes him?
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well is he a superstar QB? No he is not.
Interesting how you ask and answer questions that have never been asked. That's inventive, and avoids you having to explain what you meant by Jake being a "role player'.
Let me help you out. To the extent that every player has a role...the QB is a role player... therefore, Jake is a role player.
But, of course that's not how you meant it. Your reference to "caretaker" is more in keeping with your thinking, I imagine.
Given that you can't really explain the "role player" reference, perhaps you can clear-up "caretaker".
Is he holding down the job for someone? Who?
As for Jake's value. Well, let's see: He makes some 3 times more than our current CARDS QB and he's got 3 times as many wins.
Seems to me (and probably the Broncos) they're getting what they paid for... and so are the CARDS.
Krangodnzr
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Why do you keep saying inventive?
The only people that must get inventive are Jake apologist crowd. Explain away four years of miserable failure, and one decent year. I'd love to hear it, though I know it will be the same tired, uncovincing arguments.
No, no, no....let Me help you out. You obviously don't understand what the term role player means in sports. Remember the Chicago Bulls championship teams? Horace Grant was a role player, Michael Jordan was a superstar. Robert Parrish was a role player, Scottie Pippen was a superstar.
Who is the super star on the Broncos?
Clinton Portis.
Nope that's not how I meant it. Not my fault that you aren't familiar with the term "role player".
I can explain it, which I did above. Caretaker- a player that holds a position down and does the job that's asked of them, but shouldn't have to worry about the team's success being place on their backs.
I couldn't care less who. I'm not a Broncos fan. I'm a Cards fan.
Originally posted by Northern Card
As for Jake's value. Well, let's see: He makes some 3 times more than our current CARDS QB and he's got 3 times as many wins.
Seems to me (and probably the Broncos) they're getting what they paid for... and so are the CARDS.
In a game of individuals this might be true. Jake has a much, much better team around him. Few teams in the league can boast the offensive talent that Broncos have.
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Well, thanks for your definition of terms.
Funny thing I spent 10 years making my living in sport, and I thought I knew the difference between a guy just holding down a job; a role player; a caretaker; a star; a superstar... and that compensation was based to a large degree on those definitions.
How wrong I was; too many pucks off the coconut, I guess.
I'm trying to imagine Jake's agent last year saying: "Guys - I got a role player for you... a caretaker, if you prefer... for the low-low price of 6m a year..."
JAKE must be the highest paid role player / caretaker in the history of sport.
And not bad at it too.
Given that the Denver won only one game when he was out... and last week kicked Indy's butt without their superstar - Portis.
By the way; if Jake is a role player / caretaker - what does one call a second or third string QB given your definitions?
Funny thing I spent 10 years making my living in sport, and I thought I knew the difference between a guy just holding down a job; a role player; a caretaker; a star; a superstar... and that compensation was based to a large degree on those definitions.
How wrong I was; too many pucks off the coconut, I guess.
I'm trying to imagine Jake's agent last year saying: "Guys - I got a role player for you... a caretaker, if you prefer... for the low-low price of 6m a year..."
JAKE must be the highest paid role player / caretaker in the history of sport.
And not bad at it too.
Given that the Denver won only one game when he was out... and last week kicked Indy's butt without their superstar - Portis.
By the way; if Jake is a role player / caretaker - what does one call a second or third string QB given your definitions?
Current Cards QB: Josh McCown.
Number of Josh McCown wins: 0.
3 times that number: 0.
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hmmmm.
How can I rile up the ASFN board? Maybe I'll start a thread with the words "Jake Plummer" in it.
works every time. Of course I have to throw my 2 cents in.
I was full-on in the "jake must go" camp at the end of 02'. Now, I'm starting to have doubts if that was the correct move.
Jake has exceeded my expectations of his success in Denver. You can say all the "blah blah blah" you want about better players and better coaches, but Jake has achieved a level of consistency that he never displayed in Arizona.
Yes, throwing to Shannon Sharpe makes you look better as opposed to throwing Freddie Jones. Yes, a running attack featuring the donks offensive line and (insert broncos running back name here) makes a qb look better vs. handing off to Shipp. Yes Shannahan is an offensive genius compared to Macginnes.
But that does not change what my eyes have seen everytime I have watched Jake play this year (which is quite a bit since I've got the ticket on satellite).
Everytime I watch Jake he is making throws right on the money, hitting receivers in stride, putting deep balls where only his receiver can catch them, and getting enough on the 15 "hook" route throws so that they don't get picked off.
He's making plays with his feet when he needs to, and is taking much better care of the ball.
The question I think we have to ask ourselves as cardinal's fans is: If the cardinals could have gotten their stuff together, could Jake have played this well for us? I think the answer is, possibly, yes.
I will close by saying that Jake has played well for most of one season. This story is not over.
How can I rile up the ASFN board? Maybe I'll start a thread with the words "Jake Plummer" in it.
works every time. Of course I have to throw my 2 cents in.
I was full-on in the "jake must go" camp at the end of 02'. Now, I'm starting to have doubts if that was the correct move.
Jake has exceeded my expectations of his success in Denver. You can say all the "blah blah blah" you want about better players and better coaches, but Jake has achieved a level of consistency that he never displayed in Arizona.
Yes, throwing to Shannon Sharpe makes you look better as opposed to throwing Freddie Jones. Yes, a running attack featuring the donks offensive line and (insert broncos running back name here) makes a qb look better vs. handing off to Shipp. Yes Shannahan is an offensive genius compared to Macginnes.
But that does not change what my eyes have seen everytime I have watched Jake play this year (which is quite a bit since I've got the ticket on satellite).
Everytime I watch Jake he is making throws right on the money, hitting receivers in stride, putting deep balls where only his receiver can catch them, and getting enough on the 15 "hook" route throws so that they don't get picked off.
He's making plays with his feet when he needs to, and is taking much better care of the ball.
The question I think we have to ask ourselves as cardinal's fans is: If the cardinals could have gotten their stuff together, could Jake have played this well for us? I think the answer is, possibly, yes.
I will close by saying that Jake has played well for most of one season. This story is not over.
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Very well put....
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Originally posted by jhutch34
At least it's not a Thomas Jones jersey!
Yeah, Thomas Jones - HA...........oh wait
