From July 2nd, Seattle Seahawks Prepared to Make offer for Kolb

[WildBB]

I'd be fine with that. We can get Hasselback for nothing and then get one of the QBs in the draft next year. Much rather trade our picks for an Andrew Luck/Matt Barkley/Landry Jones than a Kevin Kolb.

 

[seesred]

No guessing after we wake up. The Qb search will have made offers someplace. Will it be Kolbe, Orton or Palmer??? Or maybe it's Farve Oh No !!!!!!

GBR
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[Mulli]

As I hear now on 620 deal is done with Cardinals but it may be delayed so it doesn't look like tampering took place

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Saaayyy...nice avatar!

 

[Mulli]

Saaayyy...nice avatar!

Thanks. My graphics guy is a genius!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Well, so far this summer I've heard the Seahawks are going to re-sign Hasselback, trade for Kolb AND add Leinart to the mix. Charlie Whitehurst must be feeling really secure right about now. I have mixed feelings about Kolb but when it comes to a 1st and a 3rd, my feelings are rock solid. DON'T DO IT.

Steve

HAGS want to get back at Cards for driving up the price for Whitehurst.

 

[Stout]

How sad are the Hags if they truly are going after Kolb....burning a 3rd on a QB only to give up on him after 1 season?

 

[AzStevenCal]

HAGS want to get back at Cards for driving up the price for Whitehurst.

If they really are involved in the Kolb sweepstakes, that's a very good possibility. However, I think it's more likely that this info is manufactured in Philadelphia.

Steve

 

[O]

How sad are the Hags if they truly are going after Kolb....burning a 3rd on a QB only to give up on him after 1 season?

Unfortunately, we could be giving up a 1st round starting pro bowl corner and a draft pick and still wind up in the same situation.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This will be a fun thread to bump come 10 games in.

You Kolb haters who fancy yourselves Ron Jaworski or Mike Mayock are going to be eating these words.

JMHO.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This will be a fun thread to bump come 10 games in.

You Kolb haters who fancy yourselves Ron Jaworski or Mike Mayock are going to be eating these words.

JMHO.

Do you really see a lot of those around here? I don't. Mostly I see people that are unconvinced because of such a limited sampling. I have no idea what the guy's ceiling is. I'm reluctant to part with something along the lines of DRC and a pick because it just seems illogical that Philadelphia would part with him if he really was the next big thing.

Steve

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Unfortunately, we could be giving up a 1st round starting pro bowl corner and a draft pick and still wind up in the same situation.

The worst part of this last 6 months is the fans on this baord throwing their arms up in disgust or contempt over a theoretical trade that has only taken place in their heads. Are any of you going to ask God to give you back the time in your lives that you spent bemoaning this bounty the Eagles are theoretically are going to get, after you find out the terms are much more reasonable in the coming days?

Being that all the mental masterbaution ends tomorrow most likely, how about we hold off on committing Hari Kari and trying to burn down the complex in Tempe until the actual details come out. I am 95% sure the trade will NOT be DRC and a pick of consequence, yet we have people preaching it like the gospel and really has been the only consistent reason I have seen why people DONT want to make this trade. The "hypothetical" terms.

I have read some of the poster who arent sure about the trade and give you know, actual reasons from research they have done, tapes they have watched, or something they have read on why they aren't sure Kolb will be the guy here. That I can get on board with.

But thats the minority. Mostly I have heard anyone complain about is "OH THE PRICE" ..... well let me ask you guys something? If you are so convinced trading away DRC doesnt make sense, what it is it about Kolbs game you dont like specifically and how it will translate to Az?

Because I think everyone would agree if Kolb is in fact good, you give 3 DRC's and dont bat an eye lash. QB >>> CB and its not even close.

So someone want to tell me why they think Kolb sucks so bad? And I would prefer if it wasnt just stats you find off Google. Maybe like something you actually saw while watching him play. Because I have watched almost every game he has played in and I am damn excited. Hes no sure thing, but hes got a lot to like to be sure.

And O, you are not the only one, but to make the correlation between Charlie freaking Whitehurst and Kolb in this quoted post....well lets just say I find them to be apples and oranges. I would be interested to why you think the situations are similar.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Do you really see a lot of those around here? I don't. Mostly I see people that are unconvinced because of such a limited sampling. I have no idea what the guy's ceiling is. I'm reluctant to part with something along the lines of DRC and a pick because it just seems illogical that Philadelphia would part with him if he really was the next big thing.

Steve

Maybe a poor choice of words, but read my follow up post above and you'll see what I mean by that. And yes, I agree there is a small sample size. I dont think small sample size should be a reason you DONT go after a guy though.

And again - how about you just watch him play and tell me what you think based off that? I think many have gone over why he is available. Its not that illogical really. So I would be interested what percieved "flaws" he has in other eyes, rather then just "well if the eagles are trading him, he must suck" logic.

 

[Evil Ash]

HAGS want to get back at Cards for driving up the price for Whitehurst.

With Peter King hinting that the Seahawks are going after Tarvaris Jackson, it sounds like this is the case.

 

[O]

The worst part of this last 6 months is the fans on this baord throwing their arms up in disgust or contempt over a theoretical trade that has only taken place in their heads. Are any of you going to ask God to give you back the time in your lives that you spent bemoaning this bounty the Eagles are theoretically are going to get, after you find out the terms are much more reasonable in the coming days?

Being that all the mental masterbaution ends tomorrow most likely, how about we hold off on committing Hari Kari and trying to burn down the complex in Tempe until the actual details come out. I am 95% sure the trade will NOT be DRC and a pick of consequence, yet we have people preaching it like the gospel and really has been the only consistent reason I have seen why people DONT want to make this trade. The "hypothetical" terms.

I have read some of the poster who arent sure about the trade and give you know, actual reasons from research they have done, tapes they have watched, or something they have read on why they aren't sure Kolb will be the guy here. That I can get on board with.

But thats the minority. Mostly I have heard anyone complain about is "OH THE PRICE" ..... well let me ask you guys something? If you are so convinced trading away DRC doesnt make sense, what it is it about Kolbs game you dont like specifically and how it will translate to Az?

Because I think everyone would agree if Kolb is in fact good, you give 3 DRC's and dont bat an eye lash. QB >>> CB and its not even close.

So someone want to tell me why they think Kolb sucks so bad? And I would prefer if it wasnt just stats you find off Google. Maybe like something you actually saw while watching him play. Because I have watched almost every game he has played in and I am damn excited. Hes no sure thing, but hes got a lot to like to be sure.

And O, you are not the only one, but to make the correlation between Charlie freaking Whitehurst and Kolb in this quoted post....well lets just say I find them to be apples and oranges. I would be interested to why you think the situations are similar.

Whoa there cowboy!

First off, my response was to a poster about the Seahags situation with Whitehurst and it being sad.
I said we "COULD" be in a worse situation next year.

This subject has been beat to death yet you want to make it personal.
Frankly, you can take your self righteous BS and shove it!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe a poor choice of words, but read my follow up post above and you'll see what I mean by that. And yes, I agree there is a small sample size. I dont think small sample size should be a reason you DONT go after a guy though.

And again - how about you just watch him play and tell me what you think based off that? I think many have gone over why he is available. Its not that illogical really. So I would be interested what percieved "flaws" he has in other eyes, rather then just "well if the eagles are trading him, he must suck" logic.

I've watched him play a few times and I have no idea what his ceiling is or even what his floor is. I know you feel strongly about the guy but NFL coaches watch QBs play regularly and they still get it wrong when trying to decide whether the guy has it or not so is it any surprise that the casual viewer can't decide?

I know the reasoning about trading the guy but I find it difficult to accept (not impossible, just difficult). Andy Reid knows better than anyone the worth of this guy and he's well aware of the value of a solid QB and yet he's still willing to let him go. I find it hard to believe that he'd trade away a guy he "knows" is a franchise quarterback. Yes, he's got Vick and yes, Kolb is due for a contract but Michael is already in his 30's and he's one strike away from being out of the game permanently. And then there's the risk of injury with a QB that likes to leave the pocket.

I'm a Kool-aid kind of guy so I'll support pretty much anything they do but I can't help thinking we'd be better off keeping our talent and minimizing our gambles. If we can get him for Toler and a 2nd, I'm okay with that but the idea of a 1st and a 3rd is worrisome. Not so much because he may not actually be worth a 1 and a 3 but because we have so many other holes. It's going to be difficult enough to fill those holes, it will be that much tougher if we're giving away draft picks and/or pro bowl talent.

Steve

 

[PitchShifter]

As I hear now on 620 deal is done with Cardinals but it may be delayed so it doesn't look like tampering took place

Can it be tampering if the two teams have an agreement? *curious*

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Whoa there cowboy!

First off, my response was to a poster about the Seahags situation with Whitehurst and it being sad.
I said we "COULD" be in a worse situation next year.

This subject has been beat to death yet you want to make it personal.
Frankly, you can take your self righteous BS and shove it!

Not trying to make it personal. I am just challenging people with opinions to have reasons for them. You still havent told me why you think Kolb would be bad or good here in Arizona. And you don't have to.

I just am not sure I have a feel why so many people are so worried about the compensation when they havent really watched him play much and seem to have an opinion on his ability. Again, I am not saying he is going to be a bust or going to be an All Pro.

I just think there is a good chance he will succeed here, and have detailed as much in other posts.

Its not that I think I am right and anyone who doesnt agree with me isnt. I just want to hear WHY I am not right, on Kolb being a good player.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I've watched him play a few times and I have no idea what his ceiling is or even what his floor is. I know you feel strongly about the guy but NFL coaches watch QBs play regularly and they still get it wrong when trying to decide whether the guy has it or not so is it any surprise that the casual viewer can't decide?

I know the reasoning about trading the guy but I find it difficult to accept (not impossible, just difficult). Andy Reid knows better than anyone the worth of this guy and he's well aware of the value of a solid QB and yet he's still willing to let him go. I find it hard to believe that he'd trade away a guy he "knows" is a franchise quarterback. Yes, he's got Vick and yes, Kolb is due for a contract but Michael is already in his 30's and he's one strike away from being out of the game permanently. And then there's the risk of injury with a QB that likes to leave the pocket.

I'm a Kool-aid kind of guy so I'll support pretty much anything they do but I can't help thinking we'd be better off keeping our talent and minimizing our gambles. If we can get him for Toler and a 2nd, I'm okay with that but the idea of a 1st and a 3rd is worrisome. Not so much because he may not actually be worth a 1 and a 3 but because we have so many other holes. It's going to be difficult enough to fill those holes, it will be that much tougher if we're giving away draft picks and/or pro bowl talent.

Steve

Yeah but Steve lets play Devils Advocate. This time last year, what would you have given up for Kolb when Andy Reid was touting him as his franchise guy that was ready to take the reigns? And not only was Reid doing this, so was the entire team.

We all know what happened next. He got injured early and then the newly humbled and contrite Michael Vick experience started. Mike Vick is like the Stripper that everyone gets sucked into, leaving the girl next door (Kolb) in the dust. Now it really does seem like Vick has turned the corner, but Andy Reid isnt the first coach to get drawn in by the allure of Vick. And rightfully so. Did you see that Washington game last year? Kolb will likely never have a game like that. Neither will 98% of QBs alive.

Also it has to do with contracts. Kolb has made it apparent with Vick getting the job, he is not long to Philly. Even if he became starter again. The Eagles cant take that risk and the smart play is getting something for him. The worst fallacy of the offseason is "oh well Vick gets hurt so you need to keep Kolb" Ummm thats a terrible line of reasoning. You get what you can for Kolb and get a good vet like Orton or Bulger or even Farve - guys who can come in and win you 2-3 games. But thats likely all you need them for, if that. You dont keep a commodity on the bench like that at the "chance" he might play. That would have been like keeping Boldin but making him the 4th WR at the chance Fitz might get hurt.

And in all honesty we dont have that many holes. We need a couple OL and a OLB and thats really it. We do have one GLARING hole though. At Quarterback. Kolb may or may not be the guy, but the consensus is he is the best young QB available, and I am damn happy my Cardinals are the ones making the play. For once.

 

[Zeno]

Not trying to make it personal. I am just challenging people with opinions to have reasons for them. You still havent told me why you think Kolb would be bad or good here in Arizona. And you don't have to.

I just am not sure I have a feel why so many people are so worried about the compensation when they havent really watched him play much and seem to have an opinion on his ability. Again, I am not saying he is going to be a bust or going to be an All Pro.

I just think there is a good chance he will succeed here, and have detailed as much in other posts.

Its not that I think I am right and anyone who doesnt agree with me isnt. I just want to hear WHY I am not right, on Kolb being a good player.

Nobody can say for sure either way that Kolb is or isn't going to be a good player...there isn't enough game film of him to say one way or another, he looks great in one game, mediocre in a couple and bad in a couple. He had 1 game in 5 starts where he threw multiple TDs, he had a mediocre preseason (0 TDs 52%)...there just isn't enough there to understand the hype.

I am not saying the guy is a bust but to give up a first round pick or a former Pro Bowler and pick for him seems a bit high in my mind.

Cassel at least had 15 starts under his belt....and he went for the 34th overall pick.

Schaub is probably the best comparison as far as numbers, starts etc...and Schaub went for 2 second round picks and a swap of first rounders (2 spots #8 & #10).

So if rumors are to be believed that the Eagles want DRC and a pick or a first rounder and another pick I say that is too much to pay for a guy who nobody can say for sure is good enough to be a franchise QB. Opinions by the experts are all over the place

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Nobody can say for sure either way that Kolb is or isn't going to be a good player...there isn't enough game film of him to say one way or another, he looks great in one game, mediocre in a couple and bad in a couple. He had 1 game in 5 starts where he threw multiple TDs, he had a mediocre preseason (0 TDs 52%)...there just isn't enough there to understand the hype.

I am not saying the guy is a bust but to give up a first round pick or a former Pro Bowler and pick for him seems a bit high in my mind.

Cassel at least had 15 starts under his belt....and he went for the 34th overall pick.

Schaub is probably the best comparison as far as numbers, starts etc...and
Schaub went for 2 second round picks and a swap of first rounders (2 spots #8 & #10).

So if rumors are to be believed that the Eagles want DRC and a pick or a first rounder and another pick I say that is too much to pay for a guy who nobody can say for sure is good enough to be a franchise QB. Opinions by the experts are all over the place

I don't disagree with you Zeno and I think Schaub is a good barometer as well. But the DRC + a pick are just " reports" and are driven by the Eagles. Kolb wants to come here, their is little if any market ( Seattle and Cle make no sense IMO) and the Cards have the immediate need in DRC for the Eagles. DRC for KOlb straight up. That's not too much to give when you spend the 5 pick on a CB and you feel a guy is immature.

 

[Renz]

he looks great in one game, mediocre in a couple and bad in a couple.

You could be describing DRC, as well.

 

[Zeno]

You could be describing DRC, as well.

If you ignore the fact that in 2009 he was one of the best CBs in football and forget that in 2010 he wasn't a year removed from knee surgery. Nobody is saying that he had a good 2010 but he was very very good in 2009...for some reason that is forgotten.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't disagree with you Zeno and I think Schaub is a good barometer as well. But the DRC + a pick are just " reports" and are driven by the Eagles. Kolb wants to come here, their is little if any market ( Seattle and Cle make no sense IMO) and the Cards have the immediate need in DRC for the Eagles. DRC for KOlb straight up. That's not too much to give when you spend the 5 pick on a CB and you feel a guy is immature.

Despite the fact you feel you're on the other side in this argument, this isn't too far from what many of us have been saying. We're not ripping the organization for sending DRC and a 1st, we're just concerned about the possibility. I could live with a DRC straight up trade although I still think that's an overpayment.

Kolb was considered a bit of a reach as a second round pick because despite his great college numbers, the system he played in made it difficult to gauge his NFL potential. We still haven't seen enough of him as a pro to really know for sure what he's capable of doing. I just don't see how he's raised himself out of that 2nd round sleeper category. If we have to pay a slight premium because it's the QB position and we are in dire need, so be it, but DRC is the absolute max IMO. And if we're mostly bidding against ourself, a conditional 2 really should be more than enough.

Steve

 

[thephoenixson28]

If anything cardinals should offer just a 1st. Cuz if seattle gives them a 1st and a 3rd then they lose hasselback, which we can swoop in and get him. Or they can sign hasselback and not make a offer for kolb. Its actually a lose lose situation for seattle. Only if kolb pans out.