From RealGM... Suns Better Off Without Johnson

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Sorry if this is a repost... but here you go

In an off-season that has produced one wacky transaction after another - from the Milwaukee Bucks offering $47 million to, yes, Bobby Simmons to the Knicks shelling out $10 mil a year in order for Larry Brown to live out his “dream” – there has not been a more puzzling development than the Joe Johnson-to-Atlanta saga.

Whether you feel – as I do – the Bucks grossly overspent this summer in landing not only Simmons but also re-upping with franchise player Michael Redd (six years, $90-96 million) and Dan Gadzuric (six years, $36 million), at least the franchise and its fans have a real sense of optimism heading into the upcoming season. The “Larrygate” scandal was a complete joke with a far-too-predictable outcome, but nevertheless Brown’s Gotham arrival instantly assures the Knicks will be much improved.

But the expected Joe Johnson-to-Atlanta sign-and-trade scenario, which is expected to go down on Tuesday when the league’s moratorium on signings is lifted at noon EST, is both baffling and tragic.

Free agency is all about business and looking out for number one, but here’s a player in Johnson whose career got off to a less-than-desirable start in Boston. While the Celtics were quick to rid themselves of Johnson early on in his rookie season in 2001-2002, the Suns took a flyer on him, and as a result JJ blossomed into one of the more complete players in the league last season while Phoenix emerged into a Western Conference power.

The Suns wanted Johnson then and still very much wanted him throughout the entire off-season as he became a restricted free agent. Teammates, particularly reigning league MVP Steve Nash and Shawn Marion, openly campaigned for his return, while management vowed they would take all steps necessary in retaining his services. How could they not? Johnson is coming off a season in which he averaged 17.1 points, 5.1 rebounds and shot 46% from the field and a whopping 47.8% from beyond the arc.

Yet despite all the pleas and assurances, Johnson, seemingly a vital cog in Phoenix’s championship aspirations, now finds himself in, of all NBA destinations, Atlanta?

Yes, that’s right. Atlanta, where the lowly Hawks are coming off the heels of a league-worst 13-69 record last season. Atlanta, where, on a good night, 5,000 faithful will show up to Phillips Arena to watch their beloved team.

While the Hawks have been able to stockpile some interesting pieces through the draft the last two years, they don’t figure to be anywhere near competitive for at least three more years. Not in the Eastern Conference, where the likes of Indiana, Detroit, Miami, New Jersey, Chicago, Washington and now Cleveland all expect to be playoff fixtures.

Contrast the Hawks’ dismal situation to Johnson’s former team in Phoenix, where the Suns have quietly had one of the more productive off-seasons in the league with the additions of Kurt Thomas and Raja Bell, and you have to wonder where Johnson’s head is at, especially when the Suns figure to be even better this season than last year’s 62-win squad.

But that’s right, Johnson isn’t about winning. You could say he’s all about the money, but when you consider that Phoenix was ready to match the five-year, $70 million offer that the Hawks coughed up, it’s about more than that, too.

In the end, Johnson leaving the desert for the Hawks is about fame, about being “The Man.” Johnson was a complimentary part in Phoenix - a valuable one, mind you - but in Atlanta the spotlight – whatever spotlight there is in that city – will be focused squarely on JJ. He’ll step in right away and not only be the go-to guy but the leader and face of the franchise.

Johnson will also be playing his favorite position, it seems: point guard.

“I love the idea (of the Hawks inserting Johnson as the team’s starting point guard). I’d love that, having the ball in my hands,” Johnson recently told ESPN.com’s Marc Stein. “I think I’m a great shooter, but I think that’s where I’m most effective, making decisions.”

With a myriad of athletic small forwards on the Hawks’ roster who can run the floor, Johnson will surely get the opportunity to be more of a distributor. But unlike in Phoenix, where Johnson was hardly considered the focus of opposing defenses, he’ll surely be the target of numerous double and perhaps even triple-teams this season in Atlanta, and it remains to be seen how he’ll adapt.

Even if the Hawks show improvement this season, and they should, they’ll be lucky to win more than 25 games. Maybe they’ll win 30 in JJ’s second year, and perhaps hover around .500 and compete for a playoff spot in year three. By that time, Phoenix may very well have won a championship.

The Suns, though they would have liked to have Johnson back, aren’t about to crumble anytime soon. In fact, they’re better off without Johnson - and his big ego - at this point.

On paper, yes, Phoenix will hurt without Johnson’s versatility out on the floor. But don’t discount what GM Bryan Colangelo has been able to accomplish this summer.

Colangelo went out and acquired Thomas from the Knicks for Quentin Richardson (I’m going to go out on a limb right here and say that Thomas’ acquisition was the biggest move of the summer by any team, just as far as the impact Thomas will bring to the Suns from a toughness standpoint) and signed free-agent Raja Bell, a tough defender and a very underrated ball-handler and shooter in his own right. With those two moves alone, even with Johnson’s departure, you’d have to consider Phoenix as a legitimate contender.

As valuable as JJ was to the Suns last season, the core of the team remains built around Amare Stoudemire, Nash and Marion (even though "The Matrix" was less than stellar in last spring’s playoffs). Coughing up, as the Hawks are seemingly prepared to do, $20 million up front to a player who may very well have been a malcontent had he returned just was not worth the risk for Phoenix.

The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. JJ will find that out soon enough.

But that’s okay. At least he’ll be regarded as “The Man” for one of the NBA’s worst franchises.
 

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I couldn't agree more. Good luck Kobe errrr JJ. Does ANYONE on this board believe that the suns wouldn't have matched and JJ would have been in a suns uniform (at least next year) if he hadn't come out on ESPN and told the Suns not to match. JJ has turned out to be a selfish player and he deserves to be with Atlanta. Good luck with that one :stupid:
 

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frdbtr said:
I couldn't agree more. Good luck Kobe errrr JJ. Does ANYONE on this board believe that the suns wouldn't have matched and JJ would have been in a suns uniform (at least next year) if he hadn't come out on ESPN and told the Suns not to match. JJ has turned out to be a selfish player and he deserves to be with Atlanta. Good luck with that one :stupid:


:thumbup: ... The guy felt disrespected :p
 

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No, Joe would hardly deserve any double-teaming from any defense not to mention triple. He is not aggressive enough in the paint to merit that defensive attention. :notworthy
 

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frdbtr said:
I couldn't agree more. Good luck Kobe errrr JJ. Does ANYONE on this board believe that the suns wouldn't have matched and JJ would have been in a suns uniform (at least next year) if he hadn't come out on ESPN and told the Suns not to match. JJ has turned out to be a selfish player and he deserves to be with Atlanta. Good luck with that one :stupid:

I actually now doubt that the Suns would have matched at all. All reports from Sarver's camp is that "he wasn't willing to pay for his mistake from last year" and that he had already "decided not to match the offer". I think that JJ's poorly timed comments only gave him the out that he was looking for.
 

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No, Joe would hardly deserve any double-teaming from any defense not to mention triple. He is not aggressive enough in the paint to merit that defensive attention. :notworthy

Give me a break. He was being double-teamed on a regular basis after Marbury was traded. He was being double-teamed at times by the SPURS during the WC Finals. Have you forgotten the shot he made over both Duncan and Bowen? Why do you have the need to portray him as a bumbling fool with limited skills all of a sudden?

He's made some poor decisions in the last few weeks, but he is a great ballplayer who will only get better. And he will be by far the most potent scoring option on the Hawks, so he will receive the lion's share of the defensive attention...even if you don't think he deserves it.
 

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Atlanta only won 13 games last year! I predict JJ will help them improve to the 20 win plateau! :D :thumbup:
 

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Dustbuster said:
I actually now doubt that the Suns would have matched at all. All reports from Sarver's camp is that "he wasn't willing to pay for his mistake from last year" and that he had already "decided not to match the offer". I think that JJ's poorly timed comments only gave him the out that he was looking for.

See the article in Azcentral that has an interview with Bryan Colangelo, unless you think he is lying.... I personally like to take what I hear at face value and what he is saying matches the facts.
 

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Dustbuster said:
I actually now doubt that the Suns would have matched at all. All reports from Sarver's camp is that "he wasn't willing to pay for his mistake from last year" and that he had already "decided not to match the offer". I think that JJ's poorly timed comments only gave him the out that he was looking for.

Whoever is to blame to which extent, the fact is now that

1. JJ is overpaid,
2. we don't have to do that,
3. but we lose some talent with this trade as it stands now,
4. due to the uncertainty with future moves associated with the picks and the trade exception, we are not quite sure whether we can ever break even on the talent front, yet the precedence set by the Nets make us hopeful,
5. in anyway, our regained financial flexibility will be valuable down the road while our team as it stands now is not really that much worse than last years.

Go Suns!
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Give me a break. He was being double-teamed on a regular basis after Marbury was traded. He was being double-teamed at times by the SPURS during the WC Finals. Have you forgotten the shot he made over both Duncan and Bowen? Why do you have the need to portray him as a bumbling fool with limited skills all of a sudden?

Well, that one game was some exception that made me feel hopeful that he wouldn't be overpaid by much if we matched the max. But most of the time, he'd just circle around on the parameter shooting his trademark 18-footer, for which no double-team is necessary or useful. I'd get frustrated all the time watching him do that. But that's now Hawks worry now. :wave:
 

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His ego will be getting smaller in Atlanta. he's going from 19,000 people at America West who think he's great, to about 5,000 who think he's great.
 

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"I actually now doubt that the Suns would have matched at all. All reports from Sarver's camp is that "he wasn't willing to pay for his mistake from last year" and that he had already "decided not to match the offer". I think that JJ's poorly timed comments only gave him the out that he was looking for"

The way i see it (having made up my mind in the last 30 seconds), Sarver was probably gritting his teeth knowing he would have to match for JJ as that's what he said he'd do all along. He didn't want to do it but knew he had to to keep the fans onside/the core intact etc.

If JJ offered the slightest hint that he didn't want to be here (and, in the end, it wasn't really a hint but a bombshell) then Sarver would have had an excuse not to match.

The way it's panned out, Sarver can completely and easily deflect the blame from himself in this ordeal - 'JJ didn't want to be here, why invest $70m in a guy that doesn't want to be here?'

As for JJ, well, he's the guy I feel sorry. Here's a shy country kid who show's absolutely no sign that he can be the man yet that's what he thinks he needs to be.

JJ cannot be the man. He hasn't the ego for it. He'll find out just how tough being the man is when he gets to a losing ball club. Gone will be the love and affection from his team mates, instead replaced by players in a losing situation who'll be trying to one up 'the man' in practice and in games, get down on him if he screws up and know full well that JJ hasn't the gall to give it back.

JJ is going to suffer hugely. Why would this country kid think he could be the man? Why would he care that he can be the man when he can be on a team that will almost inevitably win a title? He'd still get paid the same, he'd be surrounded by guys that give him the respect/understanding that he needs, and he can go on living as a very wealthy man that wouldn't have the spotlight on him.

Why? Because of his agent. His agent has filled his head so full of garbage, so full of mistruths with absolutely no consideration for his client just to profit personally out of the deal. How in the world can Atlanta, the worst team in the league, be considered a better place for someone to play than a team on the verge of something huge? It can't. Period.

You tell me Arn Tellem didn't have more to gain financially by getting his client to jump ship. Bullsh*t. And that sucks for the Phoenix club, its players, it's fans and, most importantly, for JJ himself.
 

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good point. but well, that's capitalism. everybody wants to get as much money as possible. no matter what.

when money, indeed, is -almost- never the most important thing in life.
Ah, almost, not even that.
Money is NEVER EVER the most important thing.

But well, what do I know...
 

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"His ego will be getting smaller in Atlanta. he's going from 19,000 people at America West who think he's great, to about 5,000 who think he's great."

Hey, it will probably help JJ's game... he's not ever going to feel like he's in front of the home crowd so he'll play like he was on the road every game.
 

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