Gabberts challenge, to equal Palmer

[Buckybird]

No disrespect, but you state this as a fact when it clearly isn’t. He’s never been in a system long enough to really control or own it so to speak. He has the tools, one could simply argue he’s never had stability in any system or coaching to reach his potential. He’s better than Stanton and could be had I bet for less than half of what we are paying DS to hold a ******* clipboard!

I'm still waiting for Niklas to be dominant as well as Bustdiche. Lol Keep believing in them

Nash, As Tattoo says "welcome to Fantasy Island". Lol

Sure he's better than Stanton, but come on man his play on the field doesn't lie brotha! It's time to stop making excuses for Gabbert, his so called "tools" & "skills" far outweigh his production. You can only go by his tape & what he does on the field, it's called facts.

He was atrocious in the first half today, missed throw after wide open throw. But I can almost imagine what your response will be to that.

 

[ajcardfan]

No disrespect, but you state this as a fact when it clearly isn’t. He’s never been in a system long enough to really control or own it so to speak. He has the tools, one could simply argue he’s never had stability in any system or coaching to reach his potential. He’s better than Stanton and could be had I bet for less than half of what we are paying DS to hold a ******* clipboard!

Not all the mistakes Gabbert makes is because of the "system". Sometimes, it's just him. I see throws which he rushes, even when he has space, and then throws off the wrong foot which makes the ball sail. I see a guy who routinely slides when he is running, not realizing he has the space for a extra couple of yards and even having no clue where the first down marker is.

This is his seventh year. It's not like others haven't tried like hell to coach him up. To me, his brain tends to fritz out just a little bit too often when he is under some duress. I think he has the physical tools to hang on for years as a backup, maybe obtaining Josh McCown-level of success. But, "The Guy"?, nah, it's not him.

 

[nashman]

I'm still waiting for Niklas to be dominant as well as Bustdiche. Lol Keep believing in them

Nash, As Tattoo says "welcome to Fantasy Island". Lol

Sure he's better than Stanton, but come on man his play on the field doesn't lie brotha! It's time to stop making excuses for Gabbert, his so called "tools" & "skills" far outweigh his production. You can only go by his tape & what he does on the field, it's called facts.

He was atrocious in the first half today, missed throw after wide open throw. But I can almost imagine what your response will be to that.

Not sure why you brought up Nicklaus or kindiche? I never had a stated opinion on either.
Anyway you ignore the facts that BG has never been in a stable coaching environment or team until he got here and has had a handful of starts but yet somehow you know more than the pros. As for fantasy island crack, your the one stating your opinion as fact. The Facts are he has the tools and you have no clue what he would develop into if he were to learn the offense and actually have DJ in the backfield maybe a competent line and some receivers. But hey keep on thinking your smarter than the people that do it for a living, no skin off my back. Simply stating he is better than DS and could be had for less, and could possibly develop if given a chance. I stated we should try to draft a QBOF but this staff hasn’t exactly killed it in the draft, and BA rarely want s or play a rookie anyway so need a stop gap guy regardless. Palmer could be but may hang it up, imo they should sign BG now to get him for cheap. Doesn’t hurt us to be proactive especially if they know Palmer’s future or would like to move forward without him.

 

[pmacLean]

I'm still waiting for Niklas to be dominant as well as Bustdiche. Lol Keep believing in them

Nash, As Tattoo says "welcome to Fantasy Island". Lol

Sure he's better than Stanton, but come on man his play on the field doesn't lie brotha! It's time to stop making excuses for Gabbert, his so called "tools" & "skills" far outweigh his production. You can only go by his tape & what he does on the field, it's called facts.

He was atrocious in the first half today, missed throw after wide open throw. But I can almost imagine what your response will be to that.

Yup... the response is 4 sacks in the first q and 1/2... and yes a few throws were off, so what ? Palmer was ALWAYS razor sharp ? Palmer had a better, or more, performance out of these sad sacks... 8 sacks by the way and he evaded a few that Palmer or Stanton would have been buried under, they would have been part of an NFL record for sacks in a game ...

Is he the answer ? WE STILL DON'T KNOW !! and you sure don't...

 

[pmacLean]

I know some people will hate this, but ... tough ...
from the original post

So, Palmer's numbers for the next game in that 10 win season is this (and this is what Gabbert should beat), which he won 13-10 over Tampa Bay:
.........Comp...Att...Pct....Yards...AvgPass...TD...Int..SACKS.....QBR
Palmer....21....38....55.3....248....6.5.......1.....2....1........62.2

add Gabbert today (2cd win, just like that was Palmer's 2cd win)
.........Comp...Att...Pct....Yards...AvgPass...TD...Int..SACKS.....QBR
Palmer....21....38....55.3....248....6.5.......1.....2....1........62.2
Gabbert...17....26....65.4....178....6.8.......0.....0....8........85.1

Note the Pct, AvgPass, SACKS, and QBR.
I would say he easily matched early Palmer... surpassed him in some ways ...

With an O-line that can only block occasionally for the run and NEVER for the pass (please note Sack numbers) ... he still went 11 of 14 in the second half and ended up with an 85 QBR.
ANY other QB we have would have had at least 11 if not 12-13 sacks. (An NFL record ?).

I know watching several of those that even Russell Wilson was going to get sacked there... please don't start the "holding the ball too long" or the "Indecisive in the pocket" crap... Kurt Warner would have been sacked on the bulk of those plays...

We still don't know what we have... but were I management (and Arians actually sounded impressed, I assume he is thinking, "wow, I can change my super-complex, world beating system totally and we are good to go... also would work well with DJ back"... well, he may not have thought THAT, but he sounded impressed on the interview) I would start gearing up to re-sign him if he looks good at the Redskins...

At least I am looking forward to games again, I give him that (yes, yes, I know, the D was fantastic... nice to have 2 CornerBacks)

 

[cardpa]

All I know is being sacked 8 times and being hit another 8 times in 26 passing attempts will make any QB have happy feet and try to get rid of the ball quickly. This doesn't even include pressures. Gabbert was under duress all day on Sunday. I'm surprised he made it through the entire game.

 

[Mitch]

All I know is being sacked 8 times and being hit another 8 times in 26 passing attempts will make any QB have happy feet and try to get rid of the ball quickly. This doesn't even include pressures. Gabbert was under duress all day on Sunday. I'm surprised he made it through the entire game.

And Gabbert prevailed. Not his best, for sure. But good enough in this game. That says something.

 

[Paso Fino]

Who was the better QB yesterday? Mariota or Gabbert?

 

[TJ]

All I know is being sacked 8 times and being hit another 8 times in 26 passing attempts will make any QB have happy feet and try to get rid of the ball quickly. This doesn't even include pressures. Gabbert was under duress all day on Sunday. I'm surprised he made it through the entire game.

Someone tried to convince me that Gabbert was better than Palmer because his mobility and athleticism would allow him to do more when protection broke down and could gain yards with his feet. Gabbert allowed himself to get sacked on a number of those plays due to holding onto the ball too long and running into sacks. The blocking wasn't great up front, but it wasn't the worst that I've seen this season.

 

[cardncubfan]

Gabbert for his career has completed 56.4% of his passes & has 44 td's to 42 ints. He is a back up nothing more. I don't even think he is much better than Stanton at this point. To compare him or say he is better than Palmer is ridiculous.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Someone tried to convince me that Gabbert was better than Palmer because his mobility and athleticism would allow him to do more when protection broke down and could gain yards with his feet. Gabbert allowed himself to get sacked on a number of those plays due to holding onto the ball too long and running into sacks. The blocking wasn't great up front, but it wasn't the worst that I've seen this season.

I think they should allow BG to take 5 - 7 step drops instead of just 3. That would give him time to find open recievers down field with this atrocious Oline and more mobiity to run away from defenders.

 

[DeAnna]

Well, Keim already said they want to re-sign him and have reached out to his agent. At least we know Stanton won't be back

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Well, Keim already said they want to re-sign him and have reached out to his agent. At least we know Stanton won't be back

Hallelujah!

 

[Mainstreet]

I think they should allow BG to take 5 - 7 step drops instead of just 3. That would give him time to find open recievers down field with this atrocious Oline and more mobiity to run away from defenders.

He seems more comfortable taking the longer drop backs.

 

[nashman]

They should be signing him now and save some money! Move on from DS and CP saves a ton of money to address OL and WR and defense, it’s just common sense. The longer we wait the higher BG price tag gets imo.

 

[DeAnna]

I think they should allow BG to take 5 - 7 step drops instead of just 3. That would give him time to find open recievers down field with this atrocious Oline and more mobiity to run away from defenders.

I noticed that he was taking those longer drops - that's how he ended up with a bunch of -8 sacks.

 

[nashman]

He ended up with a bunch of sacks because our Oline stinks and playcalling plays that take to long to develop when you know your Oline sucks! Geesh any other QB on this team would have been double digit sacks or throwing picks. The Gabbert hate is nonsense.

 

[Mitch]

They should be signing him now and save some money! Move on from DS and CP saves a ton of money to address OL and WR and defense, it’s just common sense. The longer we wait the higher BG price tag gets imo.

Steve Keim agrees with you. He has been reaching out to sign BG to an extension. If they can agree, maybe BG will be in the same system for more than 1 year.

 

[nashman]

Steve Keim agrees with you. He has been reaching out to sign BG to an extension. If they can agree, maybe BG will be in the same system for more than 1 year.

Which imo is smart as unless there is a new coaching staff I doubt the rookie QB I hope we draft gets much time anyway. BA doesn’t exactly like to start rookies. He has much more upside than DS and if Palmer is not done he still is a better back up and can be had for less than DS.

 

[Mitch]

Which imo is smart as unless there is a new coaching staff I doubt the rookie QB I hope we draft gets much time anyway. BA doesn’t exactly like to start rookies. He has much more upside than DS and if Palmer is not done he still is a better back up and can be had for less than DS.

Not sure what kind of salary SK is discussing with BG. BA said he's been thinking of BG as "a starter in waiting." If that's the case, they would have to agree on an incentive laden contract that rewards BG for every game he starts and for his production. At this point, though, the Cardinals know they are only bidding against themselves. Neither party can be sure what the market would be for BG come FA. Thus, if BG and his agent want to wait this out, then the market for him won't be known until FA begins.

Perhaps the best solution is to agree on a 1 year incentive deal which would allow BG to stay in the same system 2 years in a row for the first time in his 7 year career.

 

[TRW]

It seems to me that BG lacks the ability to process what the defense is doing and going through progressions quickly. And that, IMO, speaks to a lack on instinct, hearing those "footsteps", sliding a bit to avoid it and keeping his eyes downfield. To be fair, I think only the truly "elite" QBs have that ability-Montana, Kurt, Marino, that caliber of guys had "it". BG just doesn't have that IMO. That's what makes him who he is and who he has been all his career.

But, I will admit that he's a better option at backup than Drew if that's what Keim wants to do. If BG is signed and is the starter next year it better be a stop gap for the young stud they drafted to start about mid-season. Otherwise, the losing will continue.

 

[cardncubfan]

He ended up with a bunch of sacks because our Oline stinks and playcalling plays that take to long to develop when you know your Oline sucks! Geesh any other QB on this team would have been double digit sacks or throwing picks. The Gabbert hate is nonsense.

 

[Veer]

Put Gabbert in BA's system as a rookie, or maybe after his Jags stint, and he could've been a good starting QB. Who knows. But you really have to consider Gabbert damaged goods by now. I'd love to have him back as a backup QB. Much better than Stanton. But if he's our starter week 1 of the 2018 season, something is wrong with Keim.

 

[pmacLean]

Gabbert for his career has completed 56.4% of his passes & has 44 td's to 42 ints. He is a back up nothing more. I don't even think he is much better than Stanton at this point. To compare him or say he is better than Palmer is ridiculous.

This post DID NOT SAY HE WAS BETTER THAN Palmer.
It simply compares Palmer's initial Cardinal starts to Gabbert's. Nowhere does it claim Gabbert is better than Palmer, to claim it was said here is "ridiculous".

The whole point is, let's see what happens instead of declaring him a bust, when his first several games AT LEAST match Palmer's first several games. Is he really any good ?
I don't know and YOU don't know. And with what I will argue is easily one of the worst O-lines in Cardinals history, it will be really interesting to watch the Redskins game.
Gabbert has been sacked 15 times in the last 2 games (1 loss, 1 Win), I would pretty much guarantee that number would be MUCH higher were Palmer or Stanton in there (at least from what I was seeing) and that, my friend, is the highest 2 game sack total for any 2 weeks in the NFL this year.

 

[cardncubfan]

This post DID NOT SAY HE WAS BETTER THAN Palmer.
It simply compares Palmer's initial Cardinal starts to Gabbert's. Nowhere does it claim Gabbert is better than Palmer, to claim it was said here is "ridiculous".

The whole point is, let's see what happens instead of declaring him a bust, when his first several games AT LEAST match Palmer's first several games. Is he really any good ?
I don't know and YOU don't know. And with what I will argue is easily one of the worst O-lines in Cardinals history, it will be really interesting to watch the Redskins game.
Gabbert has been sacked 15 times in the last 2 games (1 loss, 1 Win), I would pretty much guarantee that number would be MUCH higher were Palmer or Stanton in there (at least from what I was seeing) and that, my friend, is the highest 2 game sack total for any 2 weeks in the NFL this year.

I doubt if the sack total would be higher as CP or DS would get the ball out much quicker imo.