Gambo: Cards Looking to Trade Down and Collect More Picks

[GimmedaBall]

No one gets four years to turn it around. The season ticket demands already dipped after pre 2016 and 2017. Three is Max I think

Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

I see. That's why MB gave SW a four-year contract with a club option for a 5th year. So he could fire him after three years and settle for that 4th year.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...ad-Coach/a3f82f62-e738-4cdc-81b5-8a6474136ddc

Must be the same reason MB gave SK an extension that will line him up with the same time frame as our new HC. So he could fire him after three more years.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...xtension/5b7f5a9f-d548-4b38-a0ef-ee61f5f269ab

Of course, a HC and GM can be fired at any time should the owner decide and will buy out the remaining contract. In this case, it certainly looks like both SW and SK have been given a relatively safe 4 years to get it done.

 

[Southpaw]

Don’t underestimate Keim’s love for Mike Glennon.

No neck Keim envies Long neck Glennon

All of the Elite 5 QBs will not succeed to the expectations heaped upon them. Some of them, maybe only 1 of them will. Just my opinion.

 

[GimmedaBall]

No neck Keim envies Long neck Glennon

It all evens out in a neck-to-neck race.

 

[overseascardfan]

Maybe they trade down in last part of 1st round and take Jackson. Keim likes draft picks (too bad he misses on a lot of them) so trading down does make sense.

 

[Snakester]

If we trade down I want nothing less than another second rounder. If we are not going to take a QB then I would rather stay at 15 and take the best player at his position. Remember if 5 quarterbacks are taken that puts us in the top ten players in the draft that aren't QB's. Who here wouldn't mind taking DT Vita Vea, Mike McGlinchey or Roquan Smith plus what if one of the top guys does drop out of the top ten like Quenton Nelson, Denzel Ward or Bradley Chubb. We give up our extra third this year to move up a couple spots and get the best player at his position. Personally I think one of those top four quarterbacks will drop down to at least the ten spot and we will be able to get him without giving up a kings ransom.

 

[Harry]

Listened to first 30 min of Gambo today. He seems fairly convinced based on whatever inside info he has that Keim is looking to trade down and collect picks.

Gambo stated that it would've taken at minimum this year's 1, 2, and both 3s along with next year's 1 and 2 to even get remotely close to where the Top-4 QBs will be chosen. Gambo said that the Cards would swap firsts and take on another 3rd, but to me, that sounds like us getting fleeced, so I don't buy it.

Also alluded that the Cards will definitely take a QB in the draft, and it sounds like Keim has his eye on Lauletta Day 2.

This is why these guys aren’t in a front office. They just throw out fantasy stuff like it was reality. This scenario is a perfect example. Moving down for a lower first round pick and getting only a third is highly improbable and would not be something you could predict in advance. The Value Draft
Pick Chart is not a tablet from the mountain, however it’s reasonably accurate. In fact several teams use it fairly religiously except for QBs.

The highest value 3rd round pick, number 65, is worth only 265 points. So the Carrds wouldn’t go below the 19th pick for pick 65. Of course consider what the odds are that the team holding the 18th or 19th pick would also hold pick 65. The Bills hold 65 but their first round pick is 22nd and that would require a 400 point compensation. I’m certain someone can dig through old trades and find differing numbers. Those trades happens when one team sees a player on the board they’re nearly desperate to get. It’s almost always a dropping player. You can’t predict that in advance.

So let’s just report the Cards are willing to move down. Hopefully the Cards would require at least a real pick chart value in exchange.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

The top 4 QB's are so much of a crap shoot, I just can't see wasting picks to go up and get one. If there was a consensus top #1 or #2 (like Wentz/Goff), then sure. But odds are at least 2 of the 4 guys this year will be a bust. The rankings on these 4 guys are all over the board, so obviously even the teams are not sold on who is the real deal.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

This is why these guys aren’t in a front office. They just throw out fantasy stuff like it was reality. This scenario is a perfect example. Moving down for a lower first round pick and getting only a third is highly improbable and would not be something you could predict in advance. The Value Draft
Pick Chart is not a tablet from the mountain, however it’s reasonably accurate. In fact several teams use it fairly religiously except for QBs.

The highest value 3rd round pick, number 65, is worth only 265 points. So the Carrds wouldn’t go below the 19th pick for pick 65. Of course consider what the odds are that the team holding the 18th or 19th pick would also hold pick 65. The Bills hold 65 but their first round pick is 22nd and that would require a 400 point compensation. I’m certain someone can dig through old trades and find differing numbers. Those trades happens when one team sees a player on the board they’re nearly desperate to get. It’s almost always a dropping player. You can’t predict that in advance.

So let’s just report the Cards are willing to move down. Hopefully the Cards would require at least a real pick chart value in exchange.

Harry, unfortunately, I think the Cards have gotten fleeced on the pick chart value on trades in years past. I can't remember exact examples but I remember scratching my head at some of our previous trade ups and wondering why we gave so much when other teams didn't for similar moves.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Harry, unfortunately, I think the Cards have gotten fleeced on the pick chart value on trades in years past. I can't remember exact examples but I remember scratching my head at some of our previous trade ups and wondering why we gave so much when other teams didn't for similar moves.

The only first round trades I can think of in recent times is when they moved back 7 spots to draft Buchanan and got an extra 3rd rounder which they used to draft John Brown.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

The only first round trades I can think of in recent times is when they moved back 7 spots to draft Buchanan and got an extra 3rd rounder which they used to draft John Brown.

I was actually referring more to trades we have made in rounds 2-7. Some were head scratchers. I think even last year, Minnesota made a move up in the 2nd round very similar to our move up for Baker, yet the compensation was a lot more on our end. It just seems that we never get the better end of a trade.

 

[blindseyed]

Knowing Keim he swaps 1sts with the Texans even tho the Texans don't have a 1st round pick this year

 

[WisconsinCard]

I was actually referring more to trades we have made in rounds 2-7. Some were head scratchers. I think even last year, Minnesota made a move up in the 2nd round very similar to our move up for Baker, yet the compensation was a lot more on our end. It just seems that we never get the better end of a trade.

The Baker trade I think works out pretty close to the trade value chart IIRC. I think we moved up 9 or 10 spots for a fourth and a sixth and got back a seventh. Quick glance at the chart and that is around 30 points more going their way. Not bad IMO for a player that made the pro bowl in their rookie year, not to mention BB name came up many times as being a first round talent.

 

[Broseph]

Meh, draft BPA at 15 imo...

 

[Cardiac]

Gil Brandt says there are 17 top shelf players and then the next 30 or so players are about the same, which is good but not top notch like the top 17. Now I'm not sure Brandt is still at the top of his game so I'm asking the draft guru's on this board to give their opinion on this.

If Brandt was is correct then I don't want us trading down.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

My guess is that Arizona selects a QB in the third round. That way, everyone who wants Jackson (he goes late first) or Rudolph (early second) can kill SK for not drafting a QB at #15.

SK will draft a no name QB out of a small school in the third round. You can count on it.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[PitchShifter]

SK will draft a no name QB out of a small school in the third round. You can count on it.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The Giants, Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers and Indianapolis Colts have all shown a lot of interest in [Princeton QB] Kanoff and were in attendance today. The Cardinals intended to have multiple people on hand, but the weather prevented some from attending.

Link: https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...pro-day-of-princeton-QB-chad-kanoff-116074002

Hehe.

 

[Arz101]

Link: https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...pro-day-of-princeton-QB-chad-kanoff-116074002

Hehe.

Boom

Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

 

[Shane]

Link: https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...pro-day-of-princeton-QB-chad-kanoff-116074002

Hehe.

QBOF baby

 

[Jetstream Green]

Gil Brandt says there are 17 top shelf players and then the next 30 or so players are about the same, which is good but not top notch like the top 17. Now I'm not sure Brandt is still at the top of his game so I'm asking the draft guru's on this board to give their opinion on this.

If Brandt was is correct then I don't want us trading down.

Brandt is probably correct... he just does not know who those guys are now lol

 

[Southpaw]

Link: https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...pro-day-of-princeton-QB-chad-kanoff-116074002

"The Cardinals intended to have multiple people on hand, but the weather prevented some from attending."

 

[Harry]

Link: https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...pro-day-of-princeton-QB-chad-kanoff-116074002

The Cardinals intended to have multiple people on hand, but the weather prevented some from attending.

I know the Wicked Witch from the West was supposed to represent the Cards but you know how tough it is to get a witch you can count on!

 

[GimmedaBall]

I was actually referring more to trades we have made in rounds 2-7. Some were head scratchers. I think even last year, Minnesota made a move up in the 2nd round very similar to our move up for Baker, yet the compensation was a lot more on our end. It just seems that we never get the better end of a trade.

The draft value chart provides a general guideline and is not something written in stone.

Say the Cards had Baker valued as a low first round pick on their BPA board. They could negotiate around that value and not necessarily around the pick exchange. From the outside with only the draft value chart it looks as if the Cards got snookered in the trade. From the Cards perspective, they got a 1st round guy for cheap. . . they got the better end of the deal.

Got to know the draft value a team has on a player and not just the math based on the draft value chart to appreciate if they made a good trade.

 

[Garthshort]

Just heard on ESPN radio, that NE, in their trade with the Rams, might be targeting a QB in the first round. Rudolph was mentioned.

 

[Stout]

The draft value chart provides a general guideline and is not something written in stone.

Say the Cards had Baker valued as a low first round pick on their BPA board. They could negotiate around that value and not necessarily around the pick exchange. From the outside with only the draft value chart it looks as if the Cards got snookered in the trade. From the Cards perspective, they got a 1st round guy for cheap. . . they got the better end of the deal.

Got to know the draft value a team has on a player and not just the math based on the draft value chart to appreciate if they made a good trade.

Yeah, given Keim and his draft history, this post has the opposite effect than what you were intending, making it worse, not better.

 

[juza76]

At this point I dont mind trading our first to New England for their first 2 picks