Game #22 San Diego Padres @ Arizona Diamondbacks. 08/16/20

[mjb21aztd]

Good to back at .500 good sweep by the dbacks

Athletics wont be easy...

 

[BC867]

It's a win.

A pitcher should be able to get outs no matter what inning they are in.. Stop the "he's a late inning specialist, so Tory is ruining him crap". TL makes plenty of bad decisions, but a pitcher HAS to be able to respond no matter when. Don't blame Guerra crapping the bed on TL. That is all on himself

I disagree! You can't disregard a player's experience and specialty
and replace it with a generalization.

It is a Manager's responsibility to make it simple (as opposed to
complex) for his players to do the job well.

To know their roles and prepare themselves mentally.

 

[1Sun]

It's a win.

A pitcher should be able to get outs no matter what inning they are in.. Stop the "he's a late inning specialist, so Tory is ruining him crap". TL makes plenty of bad decisions, but a pitcher HAS to be able to respond no matter when. Don't blame Guerra crapping the bed on TL. That is all on himself

It's really no different than expecting a wishbone QB to air it out in football, or a shooting guard to play center in basketball. If players are accustomed to certain roles, and if they have been in those roles their entire careers, it is unreasonable to expect them to come through when their role is suddenly changed just because the manager wants to play mad scientist. You play to your team's strengths. Period. Baseball is a hard enough game as it is without the manager screwing with his players' routines and comfort zones.

 

[1Sun]

I disagree! You can't disregard a player's experience and specialty.

It is a Manager's responsibility to make it simple (as opposed to
complex) for his people to do the job well.

This. 100% this. As is the case with any boss and those he or she supervises.

 

[sdscard4]

You guys should just make a Torey hate thread ....its the same stuff In every game thread. Even when we freaking WIN!

 

[1Sun]

You guys should just make a Torey hate thread ....its the same stuff In every game thread. Even when we freaking WIN!

Let me guess...You thought Bob Brenly was a great manager as well. Am I right?

 

[sdscard4]

Let me guess...You thought Bob Brenly was a great manager as well. Am I right?

Of course loved Brenly
Let me guess you loved Showalter

 

[1Sun]

Of course loved Brenly
Let me guess you loved Showalter

Yup. One of the two has been able to get another coaching job since...

 

[gimpy]

And, one of the two has won us a world series.

Glad that we are back at .500. My question is, have we been at .500 before?
My next question is, how does Robbie Ray pitch differently to not try to strike every batter out?

 

[AZ Native]

The goal for the pitcher in the 6th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. The goal for a pitcher in the 8th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. Shooting guard/Center, Wishbone QB/air it out QB. Possibly the worst analogies I have ever seen. Give it a rest.

 

[Dback Jon]

It's really no different than expecting a wishbone QB to air it out in football, or a shooting guard to play center in basketball. If players are accustomed to certain roles, and if they have been in those roles their entire careers, it is unreasonable to expect them to come through when their role is suddenly changed just because the manager wants to play mad scientist. You play to your team's strengths. Period. Baseball is a hard enough game as it is without the manager screwing with his players' routines and comfort zones.

Not even close to the same. A pitchers job to to get outs. Doesn’t matter the inning or situation

 

[1Sun]

Not even close to the same. A pitchers job to to get outs. Doesn’t matter the inning or situation

It's not that simple, and you know it. If it were, closers wouldn't be so much more valuable than any other reliever. Roles and functions matter among pitchers, just as they do in the line-up.

 

[Lefty]

The goal for the pitcher in the 6th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. The goal for a pitcher in the 8th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. Shooting guard/Center, Wishbone QB/air it out QB. Possibly the worst analogies I have ever seen. Give it a rest.

Exactly.

 

[1Sun]

The goal for the pitcher in the 6th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. The goal for a pitcher in the 8th inning is to give up zero runs and get 3 outs. Shooting guard/Center, Wishbone QB/air it out QB. Possibly the worst analogies I have ever seen. Give it a rest.

Would you concur, though, that getting those three outs and giving up zero runs is very different if you come in with inherited runners and have to pitch from the stretch? Or that it's different when you have to do so for 2-3 middle innings and have to pace yourself accordingly versus being able to go all-out for just one inning? Or that it's different mentally and in terms of margin for error when your offense has less opportunity to compensate in the event you fail (late inning versus middle inning or starting)?

Pitching is not as simple as go get outs and don't allow runs.

 

[1Sun]

And, one of the two has won us a world series.

Glad that we are back at .500. My question is, have we been at .500 before?
My next question is, how does Robbie Ray pitch differently to not try to strike every batter out?

Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling won us a World Series after Brenly did his best to give it away.

That being said, here are the answers to your questions:

1. This is our first time this season at .500.

2. Better coaching.

 

[GatorAZ]

Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling won us a World Series after Brenly did his best to give it away.

That being said, here are the answers to your questions:

1. This is our first time this season at .500.

2. Better coaching.

Brenly was our 4th best player that year. He pushed all the right buttons.

 

[1Sun]

Brenly was our 4th best player that year. He pushed all the right buttons.

And yet he was so effective that no team has been willing even to hire him as an assistant since the D-Backs fired him...

 

[AZ Native]

Would you concur, though, that getting those three outs and giving up zero runs is very different if you come in with inherited runners and have to pitch from the stretch? Or that it's different when you gave to do so for 2-3 middle innings and have to pace yourself accordingly versus being able to go all-out for just one inning? Or that it's different mentally and in terms of margin for error when your offense has less opportunity to compensate in the event you fail (late inning versus middle inning or starting)?

Pitching is not as simple as go get outs and don't allow runs.

But he could come in the 6th OR the 8th with inherited runners and have to pitch from the stretch. He is not a closer, he can pitch for more than one inning. Did you ever watch baseball in the 50's, 60's and 70's? Those guys did whatever needed to be done to help the team. No keyboard warrior questioned them. They did their job, which is to do whatever it takes to help the team win. Yeah, if he is Mariano Rivera, I don't put him in the 6th inning. But, he is not. Guerra was a starter, knows how to pace himself and can pitch more than 1 inning when needed. I don't hear him complaining. He seems like a good teammate, just wanting to help the team win.

Pitching is not as simple as go get outs and don't allow runs. Classic. I may use that as my new signature.

 

[1Sun]

But he could come in the 6th OR the 8th with inherited runners and have to pitch from the stretch. He is not a closer, he can pitch for more than one inning. Did you ever watch baseball in the 50's, 60's and 70's? Those guys did whatever needed to be done to help the team. No keyboard warrior questioned them. They did their job, which is to do whatever it takes to help the team win. Yeah, if he is Mariano Rivera, I don't put him in the 6th inning. But, he is not. Guerra was a starter, knows how to pace himself and can pitch more than 1 inning when needed. I don't hear him complaining. He seems like a good teammate, just wanting to help the team win.

Pitching is not as simple as go get outs and don't allow runs. Classic. I may use that as my new signature.

This is not the 50s, 60s or 70s. The game, and in particular the make-up of the typical MLB player, have changed dramatically.

 

[BC867]

You guys should just make a Torey hate thread ....its the same stuff In every game thread. Even when we freaking WIN!

The coaching is a factor every game. Even when we win, we play catchup (which
has been the case in most of our recent wins) which puts pressure on the players.

It is not only if we win, it is how we win. And is a stepping stone being established
for steady growth? Steve and BB pointed out in detail the disparity of the runs we
score early in games vs. late in games. Playing catchup makes players weary.

We have finally reached .500. That is not good enough! We need to "freaking WIN"
more than a game to be successful. And that is indeed the job of the General
Manager, the Manager and his Coaching staff.

You watch trends, you hold people accountable and you look beyond winning a game.
And if you're saying that anyone "hates" Torey, no one does. He's a nice guy. Too
nice a guy. But he accepted the job of running the show. No one is above results.

I hope he holds himself more accountable than you do.

 

[BC867]

It's not that simple, and you know it. If it were, closers wouldn't be so much more valuable than any other reliever. Roles and functions matter among pitchers, just as they do in the line-up.

Or, as they say, closers do not have a safety net. If they screw up, it is over.

 

[AZ Native]

This is not the 50s, 60s or 70s. The game, and in particular the make-up of the typical MLB player, have changed dramatically.

OK, what about the rest of my post? So you're saying guys cannot do what helps their team win?

 

[BC867]

Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling won us a World Series after Brenly did his best to give it away.

I beg to differ. Bob Brenley is the reason we won the Series.

Because he didn't follow the tradition of starting RJ in Games 1-4-7 and Schilling 2-6.

By starting Johnson at home in 2-6 and as a closer at home in 7 (none in Yankee Stadium),
he used our Ace to his best advantage. It was the best strategic decision I've seen in all of
the years I have rooted for National League baseball (and despised the Yankees).

And look how Kim blew the games in Yankee Stadium in 3-4-5.

We won the Championship. Brenly made it happen!

 

[BC867]

And yet he was so effective that no team has been willing even to hire him as an assistant since the D-Backs fired him...

Brenly went from the booth to Manager. Do you know
for a fact that he wasn't happier back in the booth?

He has become the best color commentator in baseball
with a lot less pressure.

 

[GatorAZ]

And yet he was so effective that no team has been willing even to hire him as an assistant since the D-Backs fired him...

Bulletproof logic there.