Game Thoughts: Panthers 34 Cardinals 21

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Last week's euphoria was sweet...but this home game dud, yet the third this year, is extremely disappointing. No question.

Kudos to the fans who sold this game out and brought the passion. Too bad many of the players and coaches did not.

I think this week I am just going to offer an overview of the offense, defense and special teams, because we are starting to see some patterns...

Offense: This year we have become a "dink and dunk" offense...that's what we are. We don't throw downfield anymore...why? For one, the coaches still think they can get by with Gandy and Brown blocking on islands versus the likes of Julius Peppers and Patrick Kerney, etc. Warner knows he must make quick reads and decisions, which has caused him to check down sooner than he would like. Secondly, the dinking and dunking is the Cardinals' way, in essence, of establishing a running game, because that's all it really is...it's just off of quick short passes and not handoffs or pitches. Thirdly, with Breaston hampered by a leg injury, the team lacks WR speed...and is basically a unit of possession WRs.

Now---don't get me wrong...the dink and dunk can and has been successful at times...it was against the Giants, and look at today's first TD drive on the first possession...80 yards, and not one pass was thrown to a WR.

For those of you who are wondering why LSH is getting some PT on offense...he brings what the Cardinals lack: speed.

Beanie Wells is making progress. That's good. He played well today.

Tim Hightower is the new Larry Centers (best receiving RB in quite a while)...that's good, too. Hightower played very well today.

Q is banged up and really looks soft out there, even for him. Fitz needs a WR on his case like Haley was, but isn't getting coached up this year...Breaston is a forgotten man...and even worse, he looks like he wants no part of punt returns. Urban gets thrown to so little that he's not in the flow. Doucet should have been active the last two weeks, but the coaches don't understand why, apparently.

The offensive line is playing well in the interior and barely managing on the perimeter...yet still, the tackles are given very little to no help.

Why were so many of Warner's passed deflected, intercepted or batted down today? The Panthers scoured the tapes of this year's team and saw that this has become a dink and dunk offense, which made them aware of the fact that the ball would be coming out quick at times, thus they thought it would be good to get their hands up as quickly and often as possible. That's why Julius Peppers reacted so quickly to Warner's swing pass that was way underthrown to Wells.

My biggest gripes on offense today: (1) Warner showing no interest in trying to convert third and longs, as he almost always immediately threw a dink pass underneath, that was usually batted down anyway; (2) on some key third down and shorts, Warner should have been in the shotgun, but took the direct snaps instead and rushed those passes (like the key third down miss to Urban on the slant that was batted down); (3) Warner's preposterous fumble just when we finally has an iota of hope; (4) the even more preposterous taking of timeouts in the red zone which has been a year long issue, not just today.

My biggest raves: (1) the flip pitch to Wells on 4th and 1; (2) the nice TD pass to LSH; (3) the 3rd and goal TD pass to TE Ben Patrick; (4) the way TH ran the football all day...he was a man out there, and ran super hard...so did Wells although he still is tripping himself up at times by rushing his feet, a la Barney Rubble and Fred Flintstone in the Rock Mobile.

Defense: My biggest question is, the defense just played its best game in decades, with the most aggressive coaching, why then---did they back off in this game? All because of Steve Smith? Afraid to run press coverage on Steve Smith? Well, guess what, no matter what you do you HAVE to double team Steve Smith. Period. Press him at the l.o.s. and help on him deep...which is why I like what DRC did by jumping the hitch pass, but am totally mystified as to why DRC had no deep help versus a perennial Pro Bowler. Reminds me of asking Mike Gandy to block Julius Peppers one-on-one on 95% of the snaps.

The Cardinal LBers today---as good as they were last week---were just plain awful. Dansby and Hayes made a couple plays in the 4th quarter, but by then it was far too little too late. Chike Okeafor is a liability on the edge, and an easy mark. He had a nice shared sack, but gave up more than 100 yards rushing by losing contain...and the tackling behind him was poor...Bryant McFadden was a no show as a tackler today, so was Ralph Brown...that right side was pathetic. Clark Haggans seemed a step slow all day this week after three very good weeks.

My biggest gripes: (1) Calais Campbell jumping off-sides on 3rd and 7 on the first drive, then briefly quitting on the play, which caused him to miss a key tackle on the play; (2) on the 80 yard run, Hayes jumping the C gap and Wilson jumping the D gap, with no one in sight for the B gap, which allowed DeAngelo Williams a gift wrapped 80 yarder (have to give Antrel Rolle credit for running Williams down---that's the fastest I've ever seen him run---sore arch and all); (3) Okeafor allowing bounce out after bounce out to his side.

My biggest raves: (1) Okeafor's and Campbell's sack; (2) Dockett's stuff of Williams in the backfield; (3) The hard near sack on Delhomme, which gave the Cardinals a golden opportunity to cash in on (seeing as it brought in the #2 QB who did not complete a pass), but, alas, Warner and the offense played with very little urgency or determination when it mattered most.

Special Teams: Much better this year thus far. Ben Graham has been outstanding. Rackers has been good, but his kickoffs have me scratching my head, how about yours? The squib earlier in the game...why?...the line drive when the score was cut to 31-21?

LSH had a great return to the 50...he played well today in all aspects of his role.

Breaston, as previously mentioned, looks like he wants no part of punt returning...and this has been the case for two years now. Running and dancing sideways is not going to get it done and that's all he does. Punt returning is like playing Pac Man, the only way to beat it is to dart into the middle and sift through the maze. This is what Rolle is so good at. Too bad he's not been game for it.

Coaching: Hard to imagine that after last week's stellar preparation this week's was so shabby. But, it really was. It was clear right from the start on defense that those players did not come to play, and quite clear that the same fun super aggressive scheme had been put on the shelf for this week. What's so disappointing about this is that I really thought the defense was finally having the kind of fun they would love to have every week. They weren't coached to have fun this week and they didn't prepare to have fun this week.

As for Whiz, his play calling on the first drive was brilliant...but, as I mentioned last week in my concern about the timing of the Rolle pass, Whiz gets too cute at times, especially when he and the team has momentum. Case in point, when the Cardinals had finally made it a game, and had a key possession which could get them within one score of the lead, Whiz calls a that fake reverse play where all Warner did was throw a 1 yard pass to Hightower. Again, the timing of this play was wrong. You don't need trickery when you have momentum...you need bread and butter.

And, until Whiz and Grimm get their act together in finally getting the blocking schemes figured out, they really don't deserve major kudos as offensive coordinators.
 
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This I think was the 6th consecutive regular season loss to Panthers... ouch
 

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Breaston has no acceleration this year, gotta be the knee. There were at least 2 returns today where if he accelerates he gets the edge and gets much more yardage. I have to assume Whiz doesn't trust anybody else to catch the ball and that's why Breaston returns the punts, he's not very good at it this year.

I think the dink and dunk is obvious, as you said we have no speed at WR, and our tackles can't pass block, so to throw downfield is risky at best. That's why I keep saying I want to see more 2 TE sets, again today it works for us.

I completely agree with Billick, Boldin isn't going to get healthy this year because he reinjures the ankle every week. Breaston is the same kind of thing, Doucet isn't a speed guy. We don't have a speed WR so we're going to have to make do with not pushing the ball downfield as much this year.

For all the carping about playcalling, we scored 21 points in a game where we had SIX turnovers. Imagine what we didn't do that?

You can't call a lot of downfield passes to WR's who can't get downfield.
 

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Breaston has no acceleration this year, gotta be the knee. There were at least 2 returns today where if he accelerates he gets the edge and gets much more yardage. I have to assume Whiz doesn't trust anybody else to catch the ball and that's why Breaston returns the punts, he's not very good at it this year.

I think the dink and dunk is obvious, as you said we have no speed at WR, and our tackles can't pass block, so to throw downfield is risky at best. That's why I keep saying I want to see more 2 TE sets, again today it works for us.

I completely agree with Billick, Boldin isn't going to get healthy this year because he reinjures the ankle every week. Breaston is the same kind of thing, Doucet isn't a speed guy. We don't have a speed WR so we're going to have to make do with not pushing the ball downfield as much this year.

For all the carping about playcalling, we scored 21 points in a game where we had SIX turnovers. Imagine what we didn't do that?

You can't call a lot of downfield passes to WR's who can't get downfield.

I guarantee you if we tried to run the ball more, the downfield stuff will take care of itself. Teams are daring us to run, because they know we wont do it on a regular basis. Teams know we are going to throw it 70% of the time.
 

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I guarantee you if we tried to run the ball more, the downfield stuff will take care of itself. Teams are daring us to run, because they know we wont do it on a regular basis. Teams know we are going to throw it 70% of the time.

If it wasn't 28-7 at the half and we still threw that much I'd be agreeing with you. But down 21 at the half you have to throw the ball.

There were 2 plays in this game that completely changed the complexion of the game, the first was the picksix by Peppers that forced us to play catchup. The 2nd was the INT on the one where Urban didn't hang on.

We were still very much alive at that point in the game, after that play we were in wing on a prayer situation the rest of the way.
 

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Just WOW Mitch.Did you ever capture it all. If everyone looks and sees the injury list from week one Breaston has been limited everyday of practice all season long.Not one day of full participation and we need to see what Doucet has to offer for Boldin.Its getting really weak in the speed department for recievers.Picking up the part about the HOWLER being used as a speed reciever is great Mitch.

I thought Dansby and Hayes were trying to capture a ghost today and Okeafor was not ceiling the edge at all today.I really don't know what A-Dub was doing because it just looked like pure guesswork to me.He could have been used so much more effectively in the right gaps.

We've got some guys dinged up and I thing we are trying to hide them.Its not gonna last much longer.
 

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If it wasn't 28-7 at the half and we still threw that much I'd be agreeing with you. But down 21 at the half you have to throw the ball.

There were 2 plays in this game that completely changed the complexion of the game, the first was the picksix by Peppers that forced us to play catchup. The 2nd was the INT on the one where Urban didn't hang on.

We were still very much alive at that point in the game, after that play we were in wing on a prayer situation the rest of the way.

sorry Russ, I meant on a weekly basis. When is the laste time we ran more than we threw the ball around the yard? I want 2 see some sort of commitment to the run.
 

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We could'nt stop the run.We could'nt stop the run.Everyone on the main board has Warner hung on a cross and are beating him.Many are doing the same here.

The game started off with our defense getting whipped like creamy hot butter.How did that happen? Delhomme only had 90 yards passing.They did'nt need to throw when they could score at will running the ball.

We don't have any speed recievers at all.Boldin and Breaston are toast and Breaston is a joke on punt returns.He needs to be replaced now!

Yes Warner is rushed to throw to early and I'm tired of the dump off stuff too but the time he is given and the seperation the other recievers are giving him don't equate.The jump ball to Fitz is out of the question if you want to count that as real offense.

The whole team deserves the gameball for this one.I liked how Graham punted though.Nobody showed up and yet I've read posters who could tell this game was coming just by reading Kurt Warners eyes before the game.

I've never heard of that before.Other teams know they are gonna rush just four and Warner is hurried so to get there hands up and they will bat some balls down.Our OT's don't chip block when we are throwing a screen so That was a pick 6 for the giant Peppers to take in.

There was NO creativity in the offense or defense today.I can't put the whole game on one guy like over 60% of the fans are.I doubt Matt could have brought this group back from 21 when the defense could'nt stop that run game.Tackling went out the window from play one.It was collisions with NO ONE wrapping up.Till the very last part of the fourth quarter.

I'm sick to my stomach.I doubt I'll post much this week.I spent almost 400.00 on new Cardinals gear this week thinking we could turn the corner.They dropped the corner on our head instead.

Without the speed to get open in a super hurry we are gonna really be hurting.Breaston's knee and Boldin's high ankle are'nt going away anytime soon.
 

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sorry Russ, I meant on a weekly basis. When is the laste time we ran more than we threw the ball around the yard? I want 2 see some sort of commitment to the run.

OK and I agree with that. I'm just saying in this game we HAD to throw because of the score.
 

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We had 13 possessions in this game(which is a lot). 3 of those we scored TD's, 4 of those we punted, and the other 6 ended with 5 picks and and a lost fumble.

I don't see how people can blame that on playcalling?
 

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Well stated, Mitch.

Awful game today.
 

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Russ, where on this thread are people critical of playcalling?

I'm talking about the other threads although on this thread Mitch brought up dink and dunk which seems to be what people are complaining about with the playcalls.
 

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I'm talking about the other threads although on this thread Mitch brought up dink and dunk which seems to be what people are complaining about with the playcalls.

I've laid off blaming the playcalling so much as blaming Warner. There have been documented and undocumented examples of Warner missing his reads and missing wide open receivers. He has been locking in on his target this year more than ever and forcing things. He just doesn't look right.
 

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I've laid off blaming the playcalling so much as blaming Warner. There have been documented and undocumented examples of Warner missing his reads and missing wide open receivers. He has been locking in on his target this year more than ever and forcing things. He just doesn't look right.

thats my thoughts 2
 

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Excellent post Mitch, as Doug alluded to the problem for most of the game was that we couldn't stop the run. Coming in as the number one run D that is something we were relying on being there and it simply didn't show up at all.

Also, one thing that is bothering me to no end is Warner overthrowing Fitz deep. It seems like it happens every game at key moments (the pick today). Fitz is severely underutilized right now and specifically deep, I honestly think something is wrong whether it be Warner's accuracy or Fitz's timing that is severely hampering our deep game and this makes us a very timid offense when we don;t have the capabilities to go downfield.
 

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My game note: If warner holds the ball longer then a split second after he hits the back of his drop, the play hasn't worked like it's supposed to and more often then not it's not going to be pretty.

When he gets it out on time it's still a thing of beauty.
 

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My game note: If warner holds the ball longer then a split second after he hits the back of his drop, the play hasn't worked like it's supposed to and more often then not it's not going to be pretty.

When he gets it out on time it's still a thing of beauty.

Yup. Hesitant Warner = Bad Warner. When he's indecisive it usually leads to a long day.
 

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Is there any way to get MITCH into the team meetings??? I would love Mitch on the sideline talking to WHiz.
 

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well said Mitch
Theres no single thing,it seems if Kurt has time our recievers aren't open and when they are our tackles are spinning in the back blast of a DE that pressures Kurt.
Our running game has improved but we haven't committed to it yet to become a team that can feed off play action. (obviously last night the game got away from us and we had to abandon that anyway)
We have two knicked up WR and ......[gulp] a Fitz that isn't playing at the same level as last year...hold on before you get a posse together I know all about the double coverage and the extra attention he's getting but elite recievers get open and make catches he seems to be dropping a lot of balls he would have had last year. we just are not comfortable this year.
I never bought in to this 'we are number 1 against the run' stuff the signs were in the giants game.
but all that said we are the same team we were last year inconsistant.
 

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