Gilmore Signs Two-Year Extension

[SweetD]

Originally posted by AzCards21
Hey kerouc, One more win and you'll have to change your sig!

I thought we don't change them if we when? That is why I have been stuck with my pic of Bill.

 

[AzCards21]

Originally posted by SweetD
I thought we don't change them if we when? That is why I have been stuck with my pic of Bill.

Ooops, You're right! I almost caused bad mojo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by SweetD
He is a nice speed guy. Hopefully he can become fully recoved from his injury and we will see what he can do in a few years.

i know i've HEARD he's a "speed" guy over and over again and yet, i have yet to see ANY separation on a deep route or see him run away from ANYONE during a regular season game. he had two nice grabs yesterday, but i kinda question this particular signing. no one else would have been clamoring for him at season's end.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by seesred
I'm sure the locker room right now would run through walls for our Cardinals.

not trying to be a jerk, but what the HELL does this mean?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
I think that the Cards are setting themselves up to potentially do something in the offseason that would make this happen.

i'm a big fan of that.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
i know i've HEARD he's a "speed" guy over and over again and yet, i have yet to see ANY separation on a deep route or see him run away from ANYONE during a regular season game. he had two nice grabs yesterday, but i kinda question this particular signing. no one else would have been clamoring for him at season's end.

I think Gilmore adds depth to a thin WR corp. I doubt that the contract he signed is a blockbuster. However why not do it now and put some of that money towards this years cap while we still could do it. That is why I like the fact that it was done now instead of later.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I think Gilmore adds depth to a thin WR corp. I doubt that the contract he signed is a blockbuster. However why not do it now and put some of that money towards this years cap while we still could do it. That is why I like the fact it was done now instead of later.

excellent point. thought of that after i posted. this is an okay signing, but nothing that i can get excited about really. but it shows the organization making a smart move i guess.

can't remember who said it earlier, but the fact that we won't have to chase our own fa's in the offseason and just concentrate on others is HUGE, imho. seems we're always worried about losing ours at the same time as hoping to get others'. now we can just pin back our ears and attack. niiiiiiiiiiiiize.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by az1965
Glass Glimore extended, oh boy. I don't know about this one. None of our recievers except Boldin and Johnson are worth keeping.

Maybe I am in a minority but I like the guy. Glad to see us signing some people before they are recognized as good players.

 

[az1965]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
....and history has proven you right on how many of your assessments??????

Don't live in the past, just look at the present ... Present state of our WR's that is...

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by JeffGollin

In the past, Gilmore enjoyed his biggest successes catching the ball deep in front of the defender and then outrunning him to the end zone. I can't remember the Cards running that pattern so far this year.

Also - receivers who make that deep pattern down the sideline work are (a) invariably 6-4 and/or (b) "create room" between them and the sideline by starting their routes slight more "inland." The Cardinals invariably send their receivers straight down the sideline where the ball is then invariably overthrown out of bounds.

My point - It may not be all on Gilmore (Maybe some, but not all).[/COLOR]

My point is that RAC is nice but what THIS team really needs to open up the offense is a guy who can get deep and stretch the defense so they can't all "bunch" in the middle against Boldin.

Gilmore is on the team because of his speed.

As for the sideline routes sure Blake has thrown some out of bounds but someone else mentioned this last week, everytime Gilmore runs that route he winds up out of bounds, he's not being pushed out he's being "guided" out by CB's because he hasn't yet figured out how to run that route and not get influenced closer to the sideline. So BLake is throwing the ball where Gilmore is running, because he invariably ends up right on the sideline, that's where the ball goes, he's making it far too easy on the CB's to use the sideline as a defender.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
My point is that RAC is nice but what THIS team really needs to open up the offense is a guy who can get deep and stretch the defense so they can't all "bunch" in the middle against Boldin.

Gilmore is on the team because of his speed.

As for the sideline routes sure Blake has thrown some out of bounds but someone else mentioned this last week, everytime Gilmore runs that route he winds up out of bounds, he's not being pushed out he's being "guided" out by CB's because he hasn't yet figured out how to run that route and not get influenced closer to the sideline. So BLake is throwing the ball where Gilmore is running, because he invariably ends up right on the sideline, that's where the ball goes, he's making it far too easy on the CB's to use the sideline as a defender.

Russ, you nailed on the deep routes Gilmore is running. The other deep ball he got yesterday, he actually turned the route into a skinny post and Blake threw a "Go" route. I'm sure Gilmore ran the wrong route because Cincy was in a two deep and Gilmore was running right towards the safety. Had Blake thrown it there it would've been picked.

The good thing about these signings is that, for the first time I can remember, we will not be going into the offseason with a large number of free agents. How many times have we looked at our cap space over the years and said "Yeah, we've got a lot of money to spend. But, oh. Wait. We have 22 free agents to replace." Now, we can really target upgrades hard rather than worrying about filling up our roster for special teams and having to resign or replace six starters.

 

[conraddobler]

Not to be a wet blanket here but our two starting corners are shaky at best.

One we did not sign Barrett so looks as if he is gone and two people seem to think we may cut Starks loose....

Ok great now just how are we going to find two of those and couldn't we have shored up this important position..... This is a very hard position to fill and top tier free agents cost a fortune here something we may not get.

If we strike out in this area it can spell doom for the whole team no matter how good everyone else is.

To me this is very risky because any misjudgements of the market or who may sign here can unravel the whole team.

It just seems to get over the hump here we'd have to be able to stop the bleeding in this area of our team first. I am not saying that Graves did anything stupid just that the risk he is taking could be much bigger than people are thinking.

Just ask the Chiefs what playing with subpar corners can be like. If we field scrubs out there with a mediocre pass rush teams will eat us alive.

I really don't see anyone on our roster that can start at either slot. Hill or Rhinehart is not going to cut it. They are ok backups for depth but nothing more. Someone like Bailey or McCallister would be awesome but that is assuming they would come here or that we want to pay that much.

Hard to say how much Barrett was wanting or if he even wanted to talk to us. He can get lots of $ just because of the importance of the position and it may be that we made a solid offer and he simply wants to test the market. We may not cut Starks and he may make it out of camp but this thing makes me nervous.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Plenty of hope for Gilmore in my opinion. Let Sullivan continue to work with him.

Also, the reason why Gilmore was wide, wide open on that 19 yard down-and-in in the fourth quarter was that he had run the cornerback deep on at least two previous occasions. Thats what throwing deep will do. It sends a message. I wonder how much the contract was for...

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Not to be a wet blanket here but our two starting corners are shaky at best.

I honestly think you guys dont watch Barrett play. He is a legitimate STARTING CB in the NFL and will command money in FA.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Not to be a wet blanket here but our two starting corners are shaky at best.

One we did not sign Barrett so looks as if he is gone and two people seem to think we may cut Starks loose....

Ok great now just how are we going to find two of those and couldn't we have shored up this important position..... This is a very hard position to fill and top tier free agents cost a fortune here something we may not get.

If we strike out in this area it can spell doom for the whole team no matter how good everyone else is.

To me this is very risky because any misjudgements of the market or who may sign here can unravel the whole team.

It just seems to get over the hump here we'd have to be able to stop the bleeding in this area of our team first. I am not saying that Graves did anything stupid just that the risk he is taking could be much bigger than people are thinking.

Just ask the Chiefs what playing with subpar corners can be like. If we field scrubs out there with a mediocre pass rush teams will eat us alive.

I really don't see anyone on our roster that can start at either slot. Hill or Rhinehart is not going to cut it. They are ok backups for depth but nothing more. Someone like Bailey or McCallister would be awesome but that is assuming they would come here or that we want to pay that much.

Hard to say how much Barrett was wanting or if he even wanted to talk to us. He can get lots of $ just because of the importance of the position and it may be that we made a solid offer and he simply wants to test the market. We may not cut Starks and he may make it out of camp but this thing makes me nervous.

I think the only way we sign Mcalister is if we keep starks. Plus starks would be an excellent #2. That is why he did so well in Balt.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Shane H
I honestly think you guys dont watch Barrett play. He is a legitimate STARTING CB in the NFL and will command money in FA.

Barrett is an OK starting corner, but I don't want to settle for OK - this team's gonna have cap room, with Starks coming back and it will need a shut-down corner - go get the shut-down corner and I'm OK with either Starks or Barrett (although I prefer Starks - even coming off injury). Bottom line is Barrett can be upgraded if possible - nothing wrong upgrading if a guy thinks he's more than he's worth.

 

[phinius]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
Plenty of hope for Gilmore in my opinion. Let Sullivan continue to work with him.

Also, the reason why Gilmore was wide, wide open on that 19 yard down-and-in in the fourth quarter was that he had run the cornerback deep on at least two previous occasions. Thats what throwing deep will do. It sends a message. I wonder how much the contract was for...

Bingo

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Barrett is an OK starting corner, but I don't want to settle for OK - this team's gonna have cap room, with Starks coming back and it will need a shut-down corner - go get the shut-down corner and I'm OK with either Starks or Barrett (although I prefer Starks - even coming off injury). Bottom line is Barrett can be upgraded if possible - nothing wrong upgrading if a guy thinks he's more than he's worth.

I agree 100%.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Barrett is an OK starting corner, but I don't want to settle for OK - this team's gonna have cap room, with Starks coming back and it will need a shut-down corner - go get the shut-down corner and I'm OK with either Starks or Barrett (although I prefer Starks - even coming off injury). Bottom line is Barrett can be upgraded if possible - nothing wrong upgrading if a guy thinks he's more than he's worth.

Yes, but no.

I want to resign Barrett. That is a priority.

But at the same time, I would like him to be the third CB, and Starks to be te 2nd, and get a shudown corner to be the #1.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by arthurracoon

But at the same time, I would like him to be the third CB, and Starks to be te 2nd, and get a shudown corner to be the #1.

Arthur - don't get me wrong - the above would be the ideal situation - but Barrett's not gonna settle for 3rd DB money and I don't think he should be pursued harder than a top tier guy - he might be the one guy we lose in free agency, but I'm confident (wow - what a difference a week makes) that not only will Graves fill his spot - but likely it will get upgraded - in this division - the Cards know that you need premium FAST corners - Holt, Jackson, Robinson, Owens, Wilson, Streets are all tough - we did a good job against Frisco so far this year - but that team is Jekyll and HYde to the extreme and Seattle and the Rams made our DBs look pretty bad. One Shutdown Corner, One Stud Pass Rusher and One Above Average Burner and this is a team to be reckoned with - that is the mission this offseason - you get those and I start talking division titles.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Arthur - don't get me wrong - the above would be the ideal situation - but Barrett's not gonna settle for 3rd DB money and I don't think he should be pursued harder than a top tier guy

Yes.

I think we should pay Barrett 2nd -3rd DB money. If we have enough money, overpay and give him 2nd DB $$$. Overpay. If we have enough cap space, overpay. Barrett is a SOLID player. A stud as a 3rd DB and a solid 2nd DB.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
Yes.

I think we should pay Barrett 2nd -3rd DB money. If we have enough money, overpay and give him 2nd DB $$$. Overpay. If we have enough cap space, overpay. Barrett is a SOLID player. A stud as a 3rd DB and a solid 2nd DB.

Going from one extreme to the other seems like a poor policy. For those real difference makers, overpaying may be your only option. For a mid-tier corner, it's just not worth it.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Going from one extreme to the other seems like a poor policy. For those real difference makers, overpaying may be your only option. For a mid-tier corner, it's just not worth it.

When I say overpay, I don't mean overpay by millions of dollars. Not even that much. Maybe an extra million or half.

He is a vauable DB on this team.

Furthermore, how can we be sure that we WILL land a shut down corner in FA?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
When I say overpay, I don't mean overpay by millions of dollars. Not even that much. Maybe an extra million or half.

He is a vauable DB on this team.

Furthermore, how can we be sure that we WILL land a shut down corner in FA?

I just don't see the Cards overpaying for a guy who only questionably wants to be here. While Starks was overpaid for, he was considered a proven commodity at the time, capable of being a number one. Barrett certainly hasn't proven that. Am I sure that we will land a shut down corner? Hell no, but there are other options out there that may prove better than barrett, especially overpaying barrett.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by conraddobler
One we did not sign Barrett so looks as if he is gone and two people seem to think we may cut Starks loose....

Why is everyone jumping to this conclusion? True, Barrett wasn't extended, but that doesn't mean that he's gone.. Barrett is a #2 starting CB in this league, maybe he wanted #1 CB money?Maybe he just wants to test the market? Who knows, but that doesn't mean that he's gone....

There's going to be a lot of CBs in free agency this year, which should lower the price. Hopefully Barrett will realize that last year's CB salaries were unrealistic and re-sign at the right price. Re-sign Barrett as the #2 CB, release Starks and sign a #1 CB (Woodson, McAlister etc.), draft another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round.