Ginobili is brilliant

[devilalum]

Is there a difference between Duncan's

"I never committed a foul in my life" face

and his

"Didn't you see that foul, I'M TIM freakin DUNCAN!!!" face.

 

[ninous26]

Yes, there is way more urgency in his face when he doesn't get the call which he thought should have been a foul against him.

 

[Lorenzo]

TD does whine a lot, but so do a lot of other NBA star players who are passionate. nash puts his hands up all the time as to show up the ref. My favorite player dirk talks more shi...than anyone I know and thinks he's fouled everytime he makes a shot much less when he misses.

speaking of traveling...did anyone see lebron's two step skip jump the other night that didn't get called? seriously these nba refs need to be replaced when they miss such a call....terrible.

ginobili?? i hate the spurs...but I love watching that guy play when dallas isn't playing them. He plays the game the way it should be played....heart of a champ. GO SUNS!!

 

[Covert Rain]

speaking of traveling...did anyone see lebron's two step skip jump the other night that didn't get called? seriously these nba refs need to be replaced when they miss such a call....terrible.

Yep we had seen it and it was legal. Your second step after 1st can be a hop provided both feet come down at the same time.

 

[Gaddabout]

My thoughts on Kobe vs. Ginobli in the final minutes of any close game:

- Kobe is all about his legacy. He wants to take the final shot because he wants to be compared to the greats. The fact that he can perform under that kind of pressure is amazing, unless you think that kind of lack of conscience is a sign of psychosis and I do.

- Ginobli is just a born assassin. He's doing it because he can. That makes him more psychotic than Kobe.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Hey if we manage to beat the spurs this series, it will make all the flooping by manu worth it just to see the suns knock the sterns out of the playoff's. Plus I love the fact that the suns also pushed duncan and manu to the floor a few times last night after they did it to us. Make them feel the pain also. Huge game 2 coming up GO SUNS!!!

 

[Lorenzo]

Yep we had seen it and it was legal. Your second step after 1st can be a hop provided both feet come down at the same time.

it looked to me that he took 2 steps then jumped in the air and came down with the ball. I remember dirk making a similiar move before a layup in the WCF game 5 when he scored 50 on the suns and there was a lot of upset people for no travel call.

 

[The Man In Black]

My thoughts on Kobe vs. Ginobli in the final minutes of any close game:

- Kobe is all about his legacy. He wants to take the final shot because he wants to be compared to the greats. The fact that he can perform under that kind of pressure is amazing, unless you think that kind of lack of conscience is a sign of psychosis and I do.

- Ginobli is just a born assassin. He's doing it because he can. That makes him more psychotic than Kobe.

About Kobe, he's living the life and playing the game with the kind of respect his FATHER wished he'd had. I was a ball boy for the San Diego Clippers and I used to hear Jellybean Joe literally beg Coach Gene Shue, that it should be him, not all-stars Lloyd(Later World B.) Free or Randy Smith take the shot.
He got so irked with the NBA that he bailed for Italy. So while it may be about legacy, it's about getting what his Dad though he deserved. He's living it through Kobe Bean.

Manu got wild in Italy and just carried his style of play here to the US. But the knowledge of the game was rooted out of Argentina's Flex Cut Offense. Crazy thing about Bahia Blanca, where the Ginobili's are based. It's the 1 major city in all of Soccer-crazed Argentina that favors basketball first. About the vision, I have this theory and it makes lots of logical sense. There are players in the league, both past and present, that if you looked at the sports they played in as youths, you could make a case that if they played SOCCER, they were gifted with footwork and court vision.

Steve Nash
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Jason Kidd
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Boris Diaw
Hakeem Olajuwon
The Late Randy Smith - He was All-America in Soccer & Basketball and All-NBA in the late 70's. All-Star MVP 1978 for The Buffalo Braves, who later became the San Diego Clippers.

Actually here is a link to Steve Nash's All-NBA Soccer team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...-playoffs-Gentry-his-All-NBA-s?urn=nba,165336

BDL: More hypothetical fun: For reasons unknown, the NBA has decided to field a World Cup soccer team. You're asked to captain the squad and pick the remaining 10 players. (Congrats again!) Who do you choose?
Nash: My NBA soccer team would be: Ronny Turiaf(notes) in goal, Leandro Barbosa(notes), Raja Bell(notes), Luol Deng(notes) and Baron Davis(notes) in the back, myself, Jason Kidd(notes), Manu Ginobili(notes) and Jose Calderon(notes) in midfield and Tony Parker(notes) and Andrei Kirilenko(notes) up front.

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[Gaddabout]

Hakeem would have been an amazing goalie. Nash, Parker, and Ginobli would have been a line creative enough to make the Brazilians envious.

 

[The Man In Black]

Funny you should say that, Hakeem was in the box.

 

[Covert Rain]

it looked to me that he took 2 steps then jumped in the air and came down with the ball. I remember dirk making a similiar move before a layup in the WCF game 5 when he scored 50 on the suns and there was a lot of upset people for no travel call.

Review the post above. It shows the play in slow mo. It clearly shows his last dribble, 1st step and then a hop.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Interesting post from the Man In Black but there's one huge oversight. You're on a Suns board with a nice list of former soccer players and you left out our own human pinball. Maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure that Ronnie Lee played soccer growing up in Mass.

Ronnie Lee may not be a household name to all but to long time Suns fans he's usually recalled quite fondly.

Steve

 

[The Man In Black]

Ron Lee....that takes me way back. I think I was 9 or so and I went to a book fair and saw a book, think it was Roland Lazenby, maybe, who did a basketball compendium book of all players and teams in the NBA. In it I learned of Alvan Adams and Ron Lee. Dude got drafted by the Chargers and the Portland Timbers of the NASL. One of my coaches in Yuma played for the Timbers as a Goalie.

Anyways, Hell of a player.
I like this about him:

One of the most exciting players in the NBA, Lee played with reckless abandon. A furniture store in Phoenix offered a free waterbed to the fan who could most accurately guess how many times Lee would hit the floor in the Suns' 41 home games. He did so 230 times.

One local sports writer wrote that Lee "attacks the game of basketball like Howard Cossell attacks silence." Another referred to Lee as "the resident body-Braille specialist for the Phoenix Suns."

And this too:

"I enjoyed playing with him as much as anybody. No one hustled more, no one could cover more territory. He would dive on his face on the floor to go after a loose ball or to tackle a guy on a breakaway layup if he thought it was important. If you thought you had a breakaway and you were on the other team and Ronnie was chasing you from behind, he would either block it or get his foul in."

Old school basketball, it's about making plays and winning 50-50s.

I know because of past history that you guys hate Ginobili, but truthfully, he plays the game now like Ron Lee did then, add the 3 point line and a slither shake to the game and you got Ginobili with a huge monster afro.

 

[Gaddabout]

Not only do I remember Ron Lee, I remember Ron Lee's gold chains. Dude could fund a small country if he has that gold today.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know because of past history that you guys hate Ginobili, but truthfully, he plays the game now like Ron Lee did then, add the 3 point line and a slither shake to the game and you got Ginobili with a huge monster afro.

As I said before, there are a lot of things I like about Manu's game. I just don't care for the referee baiting. I don't like it when a Suns player does it (and they do) and I don't like it when an opponent does it. Manu does it more than any player I've ever seen and what's worse, he's perhaps the best at it also.

I know that times have changed but I can't escape my upbringing. We were taught that there was a purity to competition and Manu violates that sense of purity for me. I want the team that plays the best to win, not the team that "acts" the best.

Steve

 

[shazaam6]

One HUGE difference, Ron Lee would not flop. Sorry but I can't overlook the bullsh!t antics to get calls. He and Popovich, hell all the Spurs are undermining the integrity of a sport that is supposed to be clean. The way they play, it is like the fake wrestling referees call an NBA game. I'm not sure Stern isn't like Vince McMahon. Holy **** the NBA is fixed.

 

[The Man In Black]

Sometimes, it's not a flop. You have to be quick to get your legs in the right position PLUS you have to make sure you take a direct hit-center mast. You can't turn to the side, you have to establish. I'm not saying that he establishes every time, but I will say, he accentuates all the time.
And shazaam, the Spurs modeled their entire franchise off of Utah and Coach Jerry Sloan. Basketball is a position game where both offense and defense matter. I realize that sometimes, unless you're a pure basketball aficionado, that people don't like Catholic School Basketball, but when done right and played with physicality...it's winning basketball.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sometimes, it's not a flop. You have to be quick to get your legs in the right position PLUS you have to make sure you take a direct hit-center mast. You can't turn to the side, you have to establish. I'm not saying that he establishes every time, but I will say, he accentuates all the time.
And shazaam, the Spurs modeled their entire franchise off of Utah and Coach Jerry Sloan. Basketball is a position game where both offense and defense matter. I realize that sometimes, unless you're a pure basketball aficionado, that people don't like Catholic School Basketball, but when done right and played with physicality...it's winning basketball.

He doesn't just accentuate the contact. He frequently goes through those same gyrations when no contact has occurred. And I don't believe in rewarding a player who creates contact that isn't necessary.

I can't contest that it's winning basketball. But, I can honestly say that I'd rather not win a championship than to watch my team play that way. Phoenix has come up short so many times that I'm positive I'm in quite a minority on this point but it is the way I feel. I don't really care for physical basketball in the first place but I understand the necessity. I see no need for the acting though.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

Sometimes, it's not a flop.

Bzzt.

I'm not saying that he establishes every time, but I will say, he accentuates all the time.

Yes, exactly. Of course Ginobili is sometimes legitimately fouled; every player in the league is. But Ginobili's constant dramatic exaggeration is annoying and downright unsportsmanlike. It's that reason more than any other that makes Ginobili the most despised player in the league (and he is; it's not close).

All that said, sure, sometimes a call that favors Ginobili is indeed the correct one.

And shazaam, the Spurs modeled their entire franchise off of Utah and Coach Jerry Sloan.

That's weird, the Jazz don't have a reputation as outrageous whiny floppers. I wonder who their team is modeled after?

 

[Gaddabout]

That's weird, the Jazz don't have a reputation as outrageous whiny floppers. I wonder who their team is modeled after?

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[Chaplin]

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Post of the month.

 

[The Man In Black]

Just answer me this one question and I'll go back just to talking hoops...
IF Ginobili played for the Suns, would you want him to change his game, especially if the way he plays it, gets you a title or more?

It only requires a 1 word answer.

Also, if you guys want, I'll objectively go through the calls(AKA the flops) with you. I realize we're biased but in the interest of fairness, time stamp the call and let's build a library and see where it lies in the end.

 

[devilalum]

Just answer me this one question and I'll go back just to talking hoops...
IF Ginobili played for the Suns, would you want him to change his game, especially if the way he plays it, gets you a title or more?

When Ainge came to the Suns I cheered for him but I never liked him. Now that he is gone I hate him again.

 

[jagu]

Sometimes, it's not a flop. You have to be quick to get your legs in the right position PLUS you have to make sure you take a direct hit-center mast. You can't turn to the side, you have to establish. I'm not saying that he establishes every time, but I will say, he accentuates all the time.
And shazaam, the Spurs modeled their entire franchise off of Utah and Coach Jerry Sloan. Basketball is a position game where both offense and defense matter. I realize that sometimes, unless you're a pure basketball aficionado, that people don't like Catholic School Basketball, but when done right and played with physicality...it's winning basketball.

Sometimes , it's not a flop. Yea, that sometimes is very very rare as well. Good for you that its winning basketball. Did the Spurs also model the entire franchise around Tim Donaghy and the corrupt referees? Maybe. We don't need to hear about who the Spurs modeled their franchise off of. I guess basketball is a position game, Richard Jefferson was in the right position to get postered by Amare Leave please, Suns forum. You could be a nice guy on these boards but there's no room for friendliness to Spurs fans from me. I don't know about others but to me your annoying.

 

[Gaddabout]

I like reasonable opposing fans. He stays.