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Not what you think Whiz will do, what YOU would plut on the field.

Please push the envelope. Play of 3-4 or 4-3. I-formation or spread.

Just make sure to justify your lineup..... and yes, "Because I said so" is justification enough.

Go at it.

QB: Max Hall
There is really no other choice. At this point, winning the NFC West is a moot point, IMO. We are kidding ourselves if we think we can show up in the playoffs, and our QB's are flip flopping. DA is not the answer and should be the backup for the rest of the year. If Hall fails, as he did last Sunday :barf: , then put in Skelton. Unpolished or not, this year is for the future not, the current.

Hall is the guy to play against the Bucs since Skelton is not anywhere near ready. If Hall can be average, then that is all we need.


HB: Thunder -Chris Wells, Lightining - LSH, Passing - Tim Hightower
Tim Hightower has to be done. Enough is enough. I love his running style but it goes like this. He ran for 10ypc last game, which means jack-squat when you fumble at the end of it. If you run for 60 yards during a drive, and fumble on the 10 then throw that 60 yards gains out the window. The stats looked great but his production was ZERO!

Put in Wells, and see what you got there. At least Wells is still young, still growing, still maturing. Wells' potential is scary, but potential needs to be production at some point. Put in LSH for a change of pace back (he has earned it IMO), and you have what you need for a Whiz/Gibbs/Cowher system to thrive in the running game.

Try Hightower at fullback, and put him in for shotgun formations.


FB: Reagen Maui'a
The guy has been solid. Not good or great but solid. I have to give him this, when he gets all of his blocks they are devestating.


TE: Ben Patrick
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Tight ends in AZ are the offensive equivalent to the pass rush in AZ. We just never have a good one. Patrick is servicable, but his blocking is putrid. Spack is no better, and Dray has a ways to go. Absolutely disgusting TE core this year.


WR: Larry Fitzgerald & Steve Breaston
With Hall in, we must run more, and have more 2 WR sets and heavy backfield. We have the biggest OL you could wish for, and it is unfortunate they are horrible blockers, but I see less in pass protection from the O-Line. Breaston and Fitzgerald have enough skill to get the job done. Fitzgerald..... I don't know but I am running out of excuses. He has to start making Fitzgerald type plays or he is just an overpaid WR. If Breaston comes back from injury on the pace he was before it, then our BEST WR would be coming back this week.


RT: Brandon Keith, Rex Hadnot, Lyle Sendlien, Duece Lutui, Levi Brown
I stay with Keith because of the movement for the future, and by that logic I sit Faneca and start Hadnot, because I think this is Faneca's final year anyway. Sendlein is horrible but he is all we got. Loved watching the segment with Brian Billick showing the world how Sendlien is just giving the other team the exact moment the ball is being snapped. Keith is not the greatest RT by a long shot, but Sendlien is not helping ANYONE. Lutui has played great this year, I will admit it. Levi Brown has settled into his LT spot, and has been solid, IMO.


DL: Alan Branch, Dan Williams (if he can go), Darnell Dockett
Patience. Alan Branch must start. No two ways about it. Dan Williams must start, and if he collapses on the field so be it. You are not getting in better shape sitting on the sidelines, and you are not gaining experience there either. Dockett is fine. Playing as well as he can, and Branch's success will free Dockett up.


OLB: Calias Campbell, Joey Porter.
Its my team and I will do what I want. Again, looking toward the future, you put Campbell on the outside. He is quicker and faster than Haggans, Porter, or Davis. So, explain to me why we don't put the guy on the edge, caue he has to learn coverages ? LOL, so does Porter and Haggans, IMO. The Cardinals are so woefully thin and hopeless at OLB, that something drastic needs to be done. No current OLB'ers with any skill, NOTHING on the horizon at the position either.


ILB: Daryl Washington, Gerald Hayes
Tip of the hat to Paris Lenon, who has played beyond his potential. But, Hayes is better if healthy. Washington is playing really well for an inexperienced, under-sized rookie. Keep him out there, he will only get better.

CB: DRC, Greg Toler
Both are playing very well. DRC is still maturing but he is playing well, IMO. Toler has been the only player that I feel is reaching the expectations we needed from him this year. After that, we are screwed. Michael Adams is horrible, McBride is just as bad, and the rest are too young.

S: Adrian Wilson, Kerry Rhodes
Again, both are playing well, IMO. Ware has regressed from last year, IMO. I get the feeling Ware is pouting about not getting signed to a long term contract some where. With his current play, he will by lucky to have a job next year. The really, really scary situation here is, who is our SS when Wilson starts to show his age in a year or so ?

K: Jay Feeley
Doing fine, and is an upgrade from Rackers

P: Ben Graham
Still an offensive weapon. He 7 yard punt was hard to stomach but I will let it slide since he is playing great otherwise.

KR: LSH
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PR: Steve Breaston
STRIKE THREE YOU"RRRRRRRRE OUT! Andre Roberts just ran out of chances. If I was on this team I would want to ring his neck at this point. Horrible, one of the most embarrassing players in the NFL right now. He is a follies highlight reel each week. Breaston is the only guy to put back there, and at this point if he fair catches the ball every time I am fine with it.


Final move ? Declare Miller the offensive coordinator. Tell Grimm to concentrate on his offensive line, and only the offensive line cause it needs his attention. Let Whiz coach the team, and stop worrying about play calling.

The team needs discipline and guidance, not some overly complicated offensive game plan, when the team can complete a simple 5 yard out, or simple run between the tackles.
 

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Billick explained why Sendlein(sp?) tips his head. The coaches actually tell him to do it since the team uses it as a silent count at away games because of the crowd noise, you won't ever see him doing it at UOP stadium.
 

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I would change a couple of things to your line up:

Leave CC at DE. Split time with Branch.
Move AW to OLB
Insert Ware in AW's spot.

I would see if AW could pack on 5-10 pounds and I would be a bit scared of Ware starting, but if Hall can start at QB then Ware at SS isn't any worse.

Oh, and I would try AJ at PR, and use Roberts there too. If one wows me during the game (because there will be lot's of Tampa punts), he's the guy. Scared to put our #2 WR at PR. I also like handing the keys to the O to Miller. Think I got it all. That would be my team.
 

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Whomever the coaches want to put out there.

Our problems mainly center around (a) poor quarterbacking, (b) a depleted and young receiver corps and (c) butterfingers.

We're stuck with the QB's we've got. We've been boxed in at receiver. Pick your poison when it comes to protecting the ball.

Regarding the latter - Substitute Wells for THT and he's equally as likely to fumble. Substitute Anderson for Hall and he's equally likely to throw a pick or get sacked/fumble. Ditto our punt returners.

We aren't going to win any more games by changing our starting line-up.

If we can pass better and hang onto the ball (with everything else staying the same) there's no reason we can't win the division.

But those are big "ifs" (especially the first one).
 

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I would only replace Keith with Bridges... Keith has been beat by EVERYONE he has faced and has one big play to free THT on his long TD run...outside of that, he has been a turnstile
 

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QB - Max Hall. He'll be more comfortable at home, and I don't think you need to press the deep ball against the Bucs.

RB - Beanie Wells. It's time.

TE (2) - Ben Patrick & Stephen Spach. It's time to start playing some 2TE offense. Neither are great blockers, but hopefully they won't have to be. Will be better safety valves for Hall in the passing game than Beanie.

WR - Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston. Opposing coordinators still have to respect this pair, but it's on the wunderkind to show that they'll still have to after this week by connecting with both of them on passes that go further than 8 yards downfield.

OL - L. Brown, A. Faneca, L. Sendlein, D. Lutui, B. Keith. You're all in on this unit this season, because they're the unit that you've put out there all preseason. Continuity is more important than pure talent; Levi Brown has become a solid left tackle and displayed great consistency this season.

DL - Branch, Watson, Dockett. Branch probably deserves to show what he can do in the base defense. Teams are running at Campbell, and he hasn't been able to close the deal in the pass rush. Hopefully some time exclusively in nickel situations will help him get his groove back. Watson needs PT to help his career and because he's earned it with his dedication to the program.

ILB - Lenon, Washington. Tampa can't run the ball anyway, but I don't mind the matchup of Washington and a limited KW2 (knee). If Washington can get some help on the outside (three-deep coverage behind), he could make some plays.

OLB - Porter, Haggans. You have to dance with what you have. Porter should have opportunities in pass rush, and Haggans has been solid if he's healthy.

CB - Toler, DRC. The secondary has no reason at all that they shouldn't BLANKET one of the five-weakest receiving corps in the NFL. The pressure is on the pass rush to contain Tampa's quarterback and close the deal for more coverage sacks.

S - Wilson, Rhodes. Josh Freeman has fewer than 16 starts under his belt right now. The dynamic duo of Wilson and Rhodes can be used interchangeably to confuse Freeman. Both players should collect sacks Sunday.

You can't let Tampa Bay linger in these games. Josh Freeman has nearly as many fourth-quarter comebacks in his career as Peyton Manning. Don't leave the door open for the Bucs, and you can beat them. Run the ball, pass only in favorable situations (second and six or less, third and four or less), trust your defense and your home field advantage. This is a winnable game against a team that's benefitted from a very favorable schedule so far.
 

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K-9: S - Wilson, Rhodes. Josh Freeman has fewer than 16 starts under his belt right now. The dynamic duo of Wilson and Rhodes can be used interchangeably to confuse Freeman. Both players should collect sacks Sunday.
Freeman doesn't rattle easily. He also can beat you with his feet. Whiff on one of those sack-attempts and - without both safeties back there - you're likely to find him in the end zone.

TB's passing attack (as we've all too often faced this early in the season) centers around their TE (Winslow) and a RB (Cadillac Williams). Our safeties have struggled in the past when asked to cover both a good TE and RB in addition to their other responsibilities.

But my greatest worry is containing 245 lb LeGarrette Blount (who was turned loose for the first time last week). When teams decided to play smashmouth against us (translation: Atlanta and San Diego), we've been blacktopped, & last Sunday, Lynch (at 215 lbs) and Forsett (at 190) repeatedly dragged our tacklers for extra yardage. Wilson and Rhodes may have their hands full stopping Blount let alone containing Winslow and C Williams.
 
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I would only replace Keith with Bridges... Keith has been beat by EVERYONE he has faced and has one big play to free THT on his long TD run...outside of that, he has been a turnstile

Then who is our RT next year, and the year after ?

If we are going to go through growing pains, then I say stay committed to working towards the future.

Unless of course, the opinion is that Keith has no chance at becoming a NFL OT, then Bridges makes sense.


Insert Ware in AW's spot.

Actually one of the changes I would make is to put Rashad Johnson in for Ware. Again, going with a youth movement. Especially since Ware has looked pretty poor lately.


Regarding the latter - Substitute Wells for THT and he's equally as likely to fumble.

I really don't buy into that. Wells has yet to lose a fumble this year, and has only fumbled once.

Hightower is labeled as a fumbler, since he has consistently been doing this throughout his career.
 

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I call BS on the "DRC is still maturing" comment. :)

More like regressing.
 

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QB - Max Hall. He'll be more comfortable at home, and I don't think you need to press the deep ball against the Bucs.

RB - Beanie Wells. It's time.

TE (2) - Ben Patrick & Stephen Spach. It's time to start playing some 2TE offense. Neither are great blockers, but hopefully they won't have to be. Will be better safety valves for Hall in the passing game than Beanie.

WR - Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston. Opposing coordinators still have to respect this pair, but it's on the wunderkind to show that they'll still have to after this week by connecting with both of them on passes that go further than 8 yards downfield.

OL - L. Brown, A. Faneca, L. Sendlein, D. Lutui, B. Keith. You're all in on this unit this season, because they're the unit that you've put out there all preseason. Continuity is more important than pure talent; Levi Brown has become a solid left tackle and displayed great consistency this season.

DL - Branch, Watson, Dockett. Branch probably deserves to show what he can do in the base defense. Teams are running at Campbell, and he hasn't been able to close the deal in the pass rush. Hopefully some time exclusively in nickel situations will help him get his groove back. Watson needs PT to help his career and because he's earned it with his dedication to the program.

ILB - Lenon, Washington. Tampa can't run the ball anyway, but I don't mind the matchup of Washington and a limited KW2 (knee). If Washington can get some help on the outside (three-deep coverage behind), he could make some plays.

OLB - Porter, Haggans. You have to dance with what you have. Porter should have opportunities in pass rush, and Haggans has been solid if he's healthy.

CB - Toler, DRC. The secondary has no reason at all that they shouldn't BLANKET one of the five-weakest receiving corps in the NFL. The pressure is on the pass rush to contain Tampa's quarterback and close the deal for more coverage sacks.

S - Wilson, Rhodes. Josh Freeman has fewer than 16 starts under his belt right now. The dynamic duo of Wilson and Rhodes can be used interchangeably to confuse Freeman. Both players should collect sacks Sunday.

You can't let Tampa Bay linger in these games. Josh Freeman has nearly as many fourth-quarter comebacks in his career as Peyton Manning. Don't leave the door open for the Bucs, and you can beat them. Run the ball, pass only in favorable situations (second and six or less, third and four or less), trust your defense and your home field advantage. This is a winnable game against a team that's benefitted from a very favorable schedule so far.

I agree 100% with your lineup.
 

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Freeman doesn't rattle easily. He also can beat you with his feet. Whiff on one of those sack-attempts and - without both safeties back there - you're likely to find him in the end zone.

TB's passing attack (as we've all too often faced this early in the season) centers around their TE (Winslow) and a RB (Cadillac Williams). Our safeties have struggled in the past when asked to cover both a good TE and RB in addition to their other responsibilities.

But my greatest worry is containing 245 lb LeGarrette Blount (who was turned loose for the first time last week). When teams decided to play smashmouth against us (translation: Atlanta and San Diego), we've been blacktopped, & last Sunday, Lynch (at 215 lbs) and Forsett (at 190) repeatedly dragged our tacklers for extra yardage. Wilson and Rhodes may have their hands full stopping Blount let alone containing Winslow and C Williams.

The Cardinals are a different team when they play at home. UoP will be rocking on Halloween and Freeman and the Bucs offense will struggle because of it.
 

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Offensively, I see it not so much as what lineup to use, but what you do depending on who your QB is. With Hall, you need to have a run-first mentality, so that you keep the third downs short and manageable. If, on the other hand, you are playing DA, then pass-first should be the mentality, because he can throw the defenders out of the box and thus open the running game. Max, with his limitations is not likely to be able to do that. THat is about as simple as I can make things.
 

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Here is the problem. Skelton cannot see the field unless the other 2 get hurt. We can't look for the future. Next year we will go after a big name FA QB like Kolb, McNabb, Vick. We have no choice if our current guys falter. The reason! LARRY FITZGERALD. There is no way you can let him go. I don't care if a team offers the entire draft for him. He is the face of the franchise. He is a top notch person and if we had a QB who could get him the ball...We would be a very good offensive team.

I say go with DA let him play at an average level....He does put points on the board. If our defense can play like they did against Seattle...We can win the division. And who says we couldn't beat this years NFC??? Giants and Falcons are only teams that would scare me.
 

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Some changes I would make.

1. Bridges in for Keith. If you take away the one long 80 yarders from Hightower the difference in YPC from right to left between both running back is approximately 5 yards to the left and 3 to the right. I think Bridges would improve on that. I would actually still use Keith though in offset oline formations that are starting to become more en vogue in the NFL today with Keith as the 6th OL.

2. Stop trying to play Wells behind a FB. In single RB formations Wells has a 1.5 higher YPC.

3. See #2 - Which means Jim Dray now becomes your starting #2 TE opposite of Patrick. Two TE sets becomes your bread and butter on O. If anyone has watched very closely the kickoff returns that LSH is killing this year you will notice Jim Dray. The kid is blocking like a mad man, I think that would translate to something very good in the run game, especially down field in space.

4. DC has already starting playing more man coverages which is why I think the last 2-3 games we are starting to see come coverage sacks. So that change has already been made, and Hayes should be coming back soon as well helping the interior rotation. The pass rush cant be fixed from the OLB spots unless Schofield turns out so nothing can be done there as well. So the only really change I would make on D is put Branch in the starting lineup until Campbell gets his technique back.
 
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Some changes I would make.

1. Bridges in for Keith. If you take away the one long 80 yarders from Hightower the difference in YPC from right to left between both running back is approximately 5 yards to the left and 3 to the right. I think Bridges would improve on that. I would actually still use Keith though in offset oline formations that are starting to become more en vogue in the NFL today with Keith as the 6th OL.

2. Stop trying to play Wells behind a FB. In single RB formations Wells has a 1.5 higher YPC.

3. See #2 - Which means Jim Dray now becomes your starting #2 TE opposite of Patrick. Two TE sets becomes your bread and butter on O. If anyone has watched very closely the kickoff returns that LSH is killing this year you will notice Jim Dray. The kid is blocking like a mad man, I think that would translate to something very good in the run game, especially down field in space.

4. DC has already starting playing more man coverages which is why I think the last 2-3 games we are starting to see come coverage sacks. So that change has already been made, and Hayes should be coming back soon as well helping the interior rotation. The pass rush cant be fixed from the OLB spots unless Schofield turns out so nothing can be done there as well. So the only really change I would make on D is put Branch in the starting lineup until Campbell gets his technique back.

Great points, and nice nugget of knowledge on Wells.
 

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Some changes I would make.

1. Bridges in for Keith. If you take away the one long 80 yarders from Hightower the difference in YPC from right to left between both running back is approximately 5 yards to the left and 3 to the right. I think Bridges would improve on that. I would actually still use Keith though in offset oline formations that are starting to become more en vogue in the NFL today with Keith as the 6th OL.

2. Stop trying to play Wells behind a FB. In single RB formations Wells has a 1.5 higher YPC.

3. See #2 - Which means Jim Dray now becomes your starting #2 TE opposite of Patrick. Two TE sets becomes your bread and butter on O. If anyone has watched very closely the kickoff returns that LSH is killing this year you will notice Jim Dray. The kid is blocking like a mad man, I think that would translate to something very good in the run game, especially down field in space.

4. DC has already starting playing more man coverages which is why I think the last 2-3 games we are starting to see come coverage sacks. So that change has already been made, and Hayes should be coming back soon as well helping the interior rotation. The pass rush cant be fixed from the OLB spots unless Schofield turns out so nothing can be done there as well. So the only really change I would make on D is put Branch in the starting lineup until Campbell gets his technique back.


What he said:thumbup::lmao:
 

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LT Brown
LG Hadnot
C Sendlein
RG Lutui
RT Bridges
TE Patrick
WR Fitz
WR Doucet
RB Wells
WB LSH
QB Hall

DE Dockett
DT Robinson
DT Branch
DE Campbell
SLB Lenon
MLB Hayes
WLB Washington
CB Tolar
CB DRC
SS Wilson
FS Rhodes

Punt returner Marshay Green (up from PS).
 
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LT Brown
LG Hadnot
C Sendlein
RG Lutui
RT Bridges
TE Patrick
WR Fitz
WR Doucet
RB Wells
WB LSH
QB Hall

DE Dockett
DT Robinson
DT Branch
DE Campbell
SLB Lenon
MLB Hayes
WLB Washington
CB Tolar
CB DRC
SS Wilson
FS Rhodes

Punt returner Marshay Green (up from PS).

I like this one. Really makes you think twice about a 4-3.

I almost forgot about Marshay Green, why in the heck is he on the P.S. and Trumaine "I never see the field" McBride on the roster.
 
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Some changes I would make.

1. Bridges in for Keith. If you take away the one long 80 yarders from Hightower the difference in YPC from right to left between both running back is approximately 5 yards to the left and 3 to the right. I think Bridges would improve on that. I would actually still use Keith though in offset oline formations that are starting to become more en vogue in the NFL today with Keith as the 6th OL.

2. Stop trying to play Wells behind a FB. In single RB formations Wells has a 1.5 higher YPC.

3. See #2 - Which means Jim Dray now becomes your starting #2 TE opposite of Patrick. Two TE sets becomes your bread and butter on O. If anyone has watched very closely the kickoff returns that LSH is killing this year you will notice Jim Dray. The kid is blocking like a mad man, I think that would translate to something very good in the run game, especially down field in space.

Again on offense, that seems like a good idea

Patrick/Dray
Brown
Lutui
Sendlien
Faneca
Bridges
Keith/Dray

With no fullback.

That would be the Cardinals, "You know what is coming and we dare you to stop it" formation.
 
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Final Answer:

I'd go with a double TE - no FB offense as a base, with Bridges playing the TE spot at times.


QB: Hall
RB: Wells
WR: Fitz
WR: Breaston
TE: Patrick/Dray/Bridges
TE: Patrick/Dray/Bridges
OT: Keith
OT: Brown
OG: Lutui
OG: Faneca
OC: Hadnot

And on defense I would go with a Nickel defense base

DE: Dockett
DT: Branch/Robinson
DT: Williams/Robinson
DE: Campbell/Porter

LB: Washington/Lenon
LB: Hayes/Lenon

NB/Monster: Wilson/Washington

CB: DRC
CB: Toler

S: Rhodes/Ware
S: Johnson/Ware

Edit: And most important of all. Drop Andre Roberts to P.S. and activate Marshay Green for PR.
 
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Rugby, what I really like about your lineup is that it gets the too old guys Porter, Robinson and Haggans out of the starting lineup and into situational roles.
 

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LT Brown
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C Sendlein
RG Lutui
RT Bridges
TE Patrick
WR Fitz
WR Doucet
RB Wells
WB LSH
QB Hall

You would take Faneca out? I think he has actually been playing pretty well. I would put Hadnot in for Lyle before I put Hadnot in for Faneca at this point in time.
 
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You would take Faneca out? I think he has actually been playing pretty well. I would put Hadnot in for Lyle before I put Hadnot in for Faneca at this point in time.

Actually you are right about that. I will again edit and post my finally final lineup.

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You would take Faneca out? I think he has actually been playing pretty well. I would put Hadnot in for Lyle before I put Hadnot in for Faneca at this point in time.

Yes I would. I could care less about who you think is playing well and who isn't when the offense is averaging 10 points a game and will instead go with the bad azz blocking I saw when Hadnot and Lutui were at Guard in the preseason. That was an offensive line with an attitude.
 

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Yes I would. I could care less about who you think is playing well and who isn't when the offense is averaging 10 points a game and will instead go with the bad azz blocking I saw when Hadnot and Lutui were at Guard in the preseason. That was an offensive line with an attitude.

Ah yes the Duece/Hadnot combo destroying 2nd and 3rd stringers deep into the game opening up holes for 3 yards a carry.;)
 

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