Giving up?

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, whether or not Holt made the safe play wasn't even the original point of the thread (if I'm not mistaken). The point of the thread was to discuss the officiating on the play.

Most of us, I would think, would understand that you FALL ON THE DAMN BALL! So, for the most part, no one blames Holt for doing that. Everyone pissed & moaned for weeks about Green not falling on the ball.

The point is, he got up without having been touched or the whistle having been blown, so how can the refs say the play was dead? If they felt it was dead, they'd have blown it dead before he got up. It was a crap call by the officials after the fact.

exactly. i'm fine with him falling on the ball. but the play need not have ended there. that's my point. you can make the safe play, and once that's established, keep playing until the whistle sounds.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Obviously not

did i ever ONCE say that he should have tried scooping up the ball? NO. so to use one of cheese's fav lines, "don't put words in my mouth!" this was about the fact that he dropped on the ball (good move), established control (good move), and then stopped playing before the whistle sounded (never a good move). is it a dire end of the world play? no, of course not. but it is an indication that this team isn't 100% to point of playing flawlessly. it's another mental error, albeit minor. the type of error that the best teams don't make. they capitalize on those types of errors by the lesser teams.

 

[earthsci]

exactly. i'm fine with him falling on the ball. but the play need not have ended there. that's my point. you can make the safe play, and once that's established, keep playing until the whistle sounds.

Yep. It's not a right or wrong. It's a wrong, great or even better. By saying that he did the absolute right thing by falling on the ball and not getting up would be the same as saying him getting up and running a touchdown would have been wrong. I don't fault him for laying there securing the ball because he probably though that there was going to be a fight for the ball, but him getting up and running wouldn't have been a wrong thing to do.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Holt made the right decision. That close to the sideline, it was much more imperative to secure the turnover first, everything else second.

The ref's are at fault for this conversation. They shold have blown the whistle a LOT faster, protecting Holt from being blasted while laying on the ground.

Baltimore, New England and many other teams known for their defense continually get away with this crapola. WR's will purposely make a catch and go to the ground to avoid taking a hit and possibly a turnover and the will get blasted while laying there. That's supposed to be a penalty but since it's a "tough" defense, they don't call it. Then, when a team like the Card's who aren't known as tough hit a guy on continuation they get flagged.

well, on a positive note, the defense is definitely starting to get notoriety. maybe soon we'll be considered one of those "tough" defenses!

 

[Totally_Red]

Sheeesh! Terrence Holt makes his best play/decision of the season and gets grief for it. Great play Terrence! Celebrate your play like Jose Feliciano celebrates a medley of his hit. Feliz Navidad!

 

[gusmahler]

Exactly.

I am glad that he secured the ball. The fact that he was not touched, and the whistle was not blown, should have kept the play going, even if there would have been a 15 yard penalty for the bench going on the field.

I think that the refs made a mistake here.

It's possible that the refs just tried to avoid the decision of where to enforce the 15 yard penalty from.