Good Article Comparing Murray’s Accomplshments

[Harry]

To other young QBs who’ve received extensions.

Kyler Murray missing one thing to match other QB contract extensions

The five other teams to ink their young QB to a contract extension after three seasons either had multiple playoff appearances or multiple playoff wins.

cardswire.usatoday.com

 

[juza76]

Harry i know your concerns with our qb but what would u do with kyler Murray at this point?

 

[BritCard]

Harry i know your concerns with our qb but what would u do with kyler Murray at this point?

You didn't ask me but I will tell you what I would do

Nothing.

I'd tell him right now he isn't getting extended this year and that he has to earn his new deal next year if he wants to earn $40m+ per year.

To be fair to Kyler none of those QB's went to teams that picked #1. Chiefs did a huge trade up and were already a good team. The Texans traded up from #25 and were also a good team. The Bills also moved up from the 20's to get Allen. So all 3 teams had much better rosters than what Murray started with.

But still, if he hadn't been so bad in his one and only playoff game he might have an argument, but he was.

 

[Harry]

Harry i know your concerns with our qb but what would u do with kyler Murray at this point?

Pick up the built-in year 5 option.

 

[ScooterVanNeuter]

Yep - we need that last year to accurately evaluate this "rapidly improving" *ahem* young man.

 

[Proximo]

I would offer him an extension of about 32 million a year and say this is what we think you have earned up to this point. Play really well this next year and you will probably get the extension you want.

If that pisses him off enough he indicates he will hold out then you probably have to look into trading him.

 

[Stout]

Pick up the built-in year 5 option.

I'm with you. If he doesn't like it and holds out, trade him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would offer him an extension of about 32 million a year and say this is what we think you have earned up to this point. Play really well this next year and you will probably get the extension you want.

If that pisses him off enough he indicates he will hold out then you probably have to look into trading him.

This is would be the worst thing to do. $32 million is an insult.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Cards have to make a decision. The choices seem to be.
1.They give him 40-45 now (this offseason)
2. They wait a year and risk Kyler being upset with the team and causing an issue, like we are seeing with Rodgers.
3. Trade him.
4. Let him walk at the end of his contract.


I see multiple problems with waiting.
1. QB prices will only go up if they do decide he is the QBoF and want to extend him. Next year it would be at least 45-50 or more.
2. Waiting the one more year with players haven't worked well for Keim at all in recent memory. (Chandler this offseason, Reddick last etc)

Of course there are some benefits with waiting.
1. Kyler might not be the guy; Kliff might not be the coach; Hell Keim might not be the GM.
2. Not deciding what to do with Kyler now only adds more uncertainty and instability on the franchise.

My biggest problem in all of this... The Cards should have already KNOWN what they were going to do about Kyler before his tirade. The season has been over for 6 weeks now. If that meltdown was 'Kyler's fault' they have had plenty of time to know this and make it clear what their intentions were. SF has pretty much made it clear that they want to move on from Jimmy G for example.

 

[slanidrac16]

Cards have to make a decision. The choices seem to be.
1.They give him 40-45 now (this offseason)
2. They wait a year and risk Kyler being upset with the team and causing an issue, like we are seeing with Rodgers.
3. Trade him.
4. Let him walk at the end of his contract.


I see multiple problems with waiting.
1. QB prices will only go up if they do decide he is the QBoF and want to extend him. Next year it would be at least 45-50 or more.
2. Waiting the one more year with players haven't worked well for Keim at all in recent memory. (Chandler this offseason, Reddick last etc)

Of course there are some benefits with waiting.
1. Kyler might not be the guy; Kliff might not be the coach; Hell Keim might not be the GM.
2. Not deciding what to do with Kyler now only adds more uncertainty and instability on the franchise.

My biggest problem in all of this... The Cards should have already KNOWN what they were going to do about Kyler before his tirade. The season has been over for 6 weeks now. If that meltdown was 'Kyler's fault' they have had plenty of time to know this and make it clear what their intentions were. SF has pretty much made it clear that they want to move on from Jimmy G for example.

There are a lot angles here.
How is Kyler going to live up to a huge contract when we have 1 Wr , no Te and Eno is our starting RB?
I know somebody will be added to those positions but at what level of quality?
Kyler has amazing athletic ability with dazzling plays but he has a long way to go in some areas. quite honestly at this point I thought he would be a lot better at the “ simple “ plays, finding the open receiver and demeanor on the field, on the sidelines and off the field.

 

[Stout]

This is would be the worst thing to do. $32 million is an insult.

The fear KM will take it as an insult in no way means you should pay more than he's worth. He's not worth more than $30mill or so right now. IDGAF if he takes it as an insult; you don't pay above what you're willing to pay. Sure, the FO has to sugar coat it (no IDGAF if you're insulted from the team!), but the absolute worst thing to do would be to cave and give him the huge money.

 

[DVontel]

This is would be the worst thing to do. $32 million is an insult.

Would honestly be an insult to a couple QBs you would rank under him as well.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The fear KM will take it as an insult in no way means you should pay more than he's worth. He's not worth more than $30mill or so right now. IDGAF if he takes it as an insult; you don't pay above what you're willing to pay. Sure, the FO has to sugar coat it (no IDGAF if you're insulted from the team!), but the absolute worst thing to do would be to cave and give him the huge money.

I don't think you understand the market.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The fear KM will take it as an insult in no way means you should pay more than he's worth. He's not worth more than $30mill or so right now. IDGAF if he takes it as an insult; you don't pay above what you're willing to pay. Sure, the FO has to sugar coat it (no IDGAF if you're insulted from the team!), but the absolute worst thing to do would be to cave and give him the huge money.

You can tell me that you think a gallon of gasoline should cost $3.00 per in California, but objectively the cost is nearly $5.00 or higher.

My point is that Kyler Murray absolutely WOULD get more than $30 million on the open market RIGHT NOW.

The dumbest thing the Cardinals could do right now is to poison the well at all. Murray has shown a glimpse of his potential and has already had two or three top 10 QB seasons in Cardinals history.

That doesn't mean cave, it means listen to what his representatives want.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Would honestly be an insult to a couple QBs you would rank under him as well.

It's an asinine offer and nowhere close to what the market would dictate.

 

[Stout]

I don't think you understand the market.

I understand it fine. Kyler wants to top the market; Kyler is not worth anything near topping the market. Therefore, the team should not give Kyler that big of a contract. I do understand that he can probably wring 40 or so mill a year from the team, but my personal opinion is that he's not worth that, even considering the inflated QB market. Not yet. If you give it to him and he faceplants again, we're stuck with a Kirk Cousins and banished to purgatory. Now, I also understand that, should we wait and he does come good, we will have to pay more, but that will also mean we are getting what we pay for.

 

[Stout]

You can tell me that you think a gallon of gasoline should cost $3.00 per in California, but objectively the cost is nearly $5.00 or higher.

My point is that Kyler Murray absolutely WOULD get more than $30 million on the open market RIGHT NOW.

The dumbest thing the Cardinals could do right now is to poison the well at all. Murray has shown a glimpse of his potential and has already had two or three top 10 QB seasons in Cardinals history.

That doesn't mean cave, it means listen to what his representatives want.

Listen all you want, sure. KM ain't going to settle for the team listening. When he and his agent try to force the issue, what are you doing? I'm not offering top market value; I'm going for the option. You?

 

[unseenaz]

here's another fun stat

Through first 3 seasons: Derek Carr 22-25 | Kyler Murray 22-23-1 | Baker Mayfield 23-22 | Mitch Trubisky 23-18

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Bonus playoffs:
Murray 0-1 (blowout)
Trubisky 0-1 (double doink)
Mayfield 1-1 (nearly beat the Chiefs)
Carr N/A (missed '16 WCG due to injury, but probably beats the Texans)

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I understand it fine. Kyler wants to top the market; Kyler is not worth anything near topping the market. Therefore, the team should not give Kyler that big of a contract. I do understand that he can probably wring 40 or so mill a year from the team, but my personal opinion is that he's not worth that, even considering the inflated QB market. Not yet. If you give it to him and he faceplants again, we're stuck with a Kirk Cousins and banished to purgatory. Now, I also understand that, should we wait and he does come good, we will have to pay more, but that will also mean we are getting what we pay for.

We have no idea what he wants for sure, other than a long term deal.

My guess he wants to be paid top 10 or top 5. There is nothing out of order with him wanting that, if that is the case.

I think the biggest issue we are seeing is that there are still people unconvinced that Kyler is the QBoF. Hopefully the front office knows one way or another. Sadly I don't think they do.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

here's another fun stat

Through first 3 seasons: Derek Carr 22-25 | Kyler Murray 22-23-1 | Baker Mayfield 23-22 | Mitch Trubisky 23-18

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Bonus playoffs:
Murray 0-1 (blowout)
Trubisky 0-1 (double doink)
Mayfield 1-1 (nearly beat the Chiefs)
Carr N/A (missed '16 WCG due to injury, but probably beats the Texans)

There is so much wrong with that stat that it is almost irrelevant.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

We have no idea what he wants for sure, other than a long term deal.

My guess he wants to be paid top 10 or top 5. There is nothing out of order with him wanting that, if that is the case.

I think the biggest issue we are seeing is that there are still people unconvinced that Kyler is the QBoF. Hopefully the front office knows one way or another. Sadly I don't think they do.

My guess is he wants to be the highest paid QB. Therein lies the problem.
After the second half collapse (again) and not showing up for the playoff game, as a competitor, I would be embarrassed to come out and try to demand top QB money.
That's what makes it more of a joke. That him or his agent could come out with a straight face and say I deserve more when you haven't done jack with the opportunities you have had.
Maybe If he would have come out in 2020 and won those last two regular season games (against a backup and 3rd stringer). Then this year to look like a scared little kid out on the field for the playoff blow out.

 

[TRW]

My guess is he wants to be the highest paid QB. Therein lies the problem.
After the second half collapse (again) and not showing up for the playoff game, as a competitor, I would be embarrassed to come out and try to demand top QB money.
That's what makes it more of a joke. That him or his agent could come out with a straight face and say I deserve more when you haven't done jack with the opportunities you have had.
Maybe If he would have come out in 2020 and won those last two regular season games (against a backup and 3rd stringer). Then this year to look like a scared little kid out on the field for the playoff blow out.

Hey, you don't get if you don't ask. Start high and negotiate down, that is good strategy. Typing a letter in all caps with demands is not.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Cardinals can counter with 40 mil per year and not look bad even if Kyler doesn't take it. The guaranteed money will be the sticking point (personal opinion) because Kyler wants it in case he gets injured and the Cardinals do not want to give it because Kyler keeps getting injured. This, IMO, will be the biggest hurdle.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

My guess is he wants to be the highest paid QB. Therein lies the problem.
After the second half collapse (again) and not showing up for the playoff game, as a competitor, I would be embarrassed to come out and try to demand top QB money.
That's what makes it more of a joke. That him or his agent could come out with a straight face and say I deserve more when you haven't done jack with the opportunities you have had.
Maybe If he would have come out in 2020 and won those last two regular season games (against a backup and 3rd stringer). Then this year to look like a scared little kid out on the field for the playoff blow out.

This is what the entire problem is for all of us. We are all just making guesses and forming overarching opinions based off of it. It isn't ideal to be sure...

 

[Chopper0080]

This isn't complex.

You offer 40.

It gets denied.

You pick up the 5th year option.

Ball is in Kyler's court at that time. Either way he has two years left and you have no reason to extend him early at a premium price. If he wants to hold out, it hurts him and his brand as he claims to be a team guy.

Probably needs to be a conversation about his production at the end of every year, his playoff performance and his health. Those will be held with the agent. If they balk, tell them to play out the year.

Even if he gets injured you can offer 40 again and you just have injury clauses added in.