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Hi Gang.

Thanks for the private messages. No: I’m not dead yet. Everything is fine personally. It’s just that some professional stuff has kept me from contributing very much. Let me make a couple of inquiries and see if I can put something up on the board beyond this.

I will try to answer a couple of your questions now. Throwing Mount Cody at me right off the bat is a tough call. He goes mid-2 at the earliest, but more likely late 2 or early 3. Dedication and self-discipline are the big issues. When at the top of his game, he is an immovable object. That said, by late in the season last year, he was out of gas by half-time. He’s slow and of little value in pursuit. He can stop the inside run, but will make very little contribution in pass defense. He likely comes out on obvious passing downs and will be in trouble facing a no-huddle offense. He would literally be a huge asset in a goal-line defense.

Having commented on his speed, I want to take a minute to express one thought related to a previous post I made. Some of you may recall my post about an early-on opinion (now apparently shared by quite a few) that McFadden was no improvement over Hood. It was met with a response of football sabermetrics (I know that’s a baseball term), wherein people dug up all sorts of numbers off the Internet to indicate I was wrong. One of my favorite saying about stats goes like this, “Some people use statistics like a drunkard uses a lamp post; more for support than illumination.” My point is that it’s okay to quote stats, but they are not the Holy Grail of talent evaluation. So in this case, don’t get caught up in the combine or Pro Day numbers. They are always worth examining, but ask Mr. Boldin if they tell the entire story.

The other major inquiry concerned my opinion of the state of the Cardinals. I don’t think this is a case of déjà vu of 1998, but this many changes would have to concern any intelligent person. The change at safety likely helps a little. I’m a Rolle fan, but neither he nor Wilson is great in coverage. Rhodes should be a better fit for the defense if he plays to his ability.

The linebacker corps is likewise a push; better on the outside, weaker on the inside.

On offense, the change at quarterback doesn’t scare as much as it bothers others. The Cards will have a better running attack than last year, a more mobile QB and still retain a superior group of receivers. The offense ill score enough. Warner made the right decision to quit. I admire him tremendously and hope the Cards tie him to the franchise. However, by year’s end, he wasn’t the same player that carried this team to the Super Bowl. I think Leinart gets the job done.

If he doesn’t, the problem will most likely be with the line. You may remember I chided the Cards for not strengthening that line in last season’s free agency. Their plan to just shuffle the Cards, moving Bridges and Brown, seems an awfully risky move to me.

As for the draft, you’ve likely heard the scouts tell everyone how deep this draft is, as was the one last year. The actual point is that most of the best college athletes are gravitating towards football. This trend will continue.

This draft is deep in linebackers and linemen on both sides of the ball. Running backs are plentiful and there are several good receivers. Quarterback is the weakest position, likely followed by cornerback.

The Cards will probably take the best front 7 defensive player available in round one unless one of the top OTs drops. I think the same pool is the focus for round 2. They need to think about a kick returner with one of the round 3 picks.

I don’t see a trade in round 1 unless they moved down. You might see some action later as they have that extra round 3 pick with which to maneuver.
 

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Good to see you posting Harry! Try and come around more often will ya?
 

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Thanks for stopping by, Harry.

The other names that have been floating around for the Cards are Rolando McClain (LB, Alabama), Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB, Texas Christian), and Sean Weatherspoon (LB, Mizzou). Do you have any thoughts on these guys?
 

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It ws great to see your name on a post. Thanks for coming back. I haven't seen anyone predicting Cody as low as R3 or even later R2. Your explaination makes total sense.

Do you think Keith or Johnson can help out on the Oline and do you think Hadnot pushes Latui or Wells?
 
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Harry, good to have you back. Re. the OL, I think the team thinks/hopes that Keith will be a starter, with Bridges in reserve. If that is a smokescreen, then I believe they'll go OL in round one or two. Since I expect them to go defense in the first two rounds, then I have to think that they expect Brown (LT) and Keith (RT) to work out, with Bridges the insurance policy. JMO.
 

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Pretty telling IMO when Harry Tells you Cody could last until the 3rd. Doesnt mean he will. But he is about as down on him as many on here.
 

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Pretty telling IMO when Harry Tells you Cody could last until the 3rd. Doesnt mean he will. But he is about as down on him as many on here.

Cody should not go in the first round. That doesn't mean he can't help the Cards.
 

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Here are just factoids that scare me about T. Cody

5.64 40 time - I know he's big but guy should move a little quicker than that

Most analyst see him as a 2-down lineman because of his lack of stamina

22 bench press reps - underwhelming for what he is being marketed as = a mauler at the zero-technique

Some think he has no motor

This has me wondering if he is Alan Branch v 2.0. Highly touted at the beginning, but fell into the second round for similar reasons
 

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Here are just factoids that scare me about T. Cody

5.64 40 time - I know he's big but guy should move a little quicker than that

Most analyst see him as a 2-down lineman because of his lack of stamina

22 bench press reps - underwhelming for what he is being marketed as = a mauler at the zero-technique

Some think he has no motor

This has me wondering if he is Alan Branch v 2.0. Highly touted at the beginning, but fell into the second round for similar reasons

Remember that this could be more of an endurance issue than a strength issue. It is very possible that the strongest 1 rep bench guy could be a middle of the pack 225 bench press guy.
 

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Remember that this could be more of an endurance issue than a strength issue. It is very possible that the strongest 1 rep bench guy could be a middle of the pack 225 bench press guy.

Perhaps, but then that leads to the point I made above. If he is only a 2-down lineman or cannot make it to the 4th quarter without sucking wind, he isnt worth a 1st rounder to me IMO

Kris Jenkins of the Jets, who weighs more than Cody right now and plays the same position, reped 33 times out of the draft in 2000. Big difference
 
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Hey Harry. I think your right on with Cody. I think he goes late second. You contribute much to this board, I hope you continue to do so. I don't have near as much time as I use to to contribute but This is my first stop on the web everytime I get on. I look forward to reading some of your thoughts on the players in this draft. I would like to know some of your favorites and your thoughts as well on the Cards draft.
 

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Good to hear from you Harry-----and I would add that this was a darn good post from you. I think I will spend a little time absorbing it, because it makes so dang much sense. I certainly hope that your working life lets you have a little more time to post again.

Thanks to K-9 for his calling Harry to the board again, and for those of you who PM'd him. It sure is good to hear from him again. He is like a voice of reason in a mad, mad, world.
 

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Perhaps, but then that leads to the point I made above. If he is only a 2-down lineman or cannot make it to the 4th quarter without sucking wind, he isnt worth a 1st rounder to me IMO

Kris Jenkins of the Jets, who weighs more than Cody right now and plays the same position, reped 33 times out of the draft in 2000. Big difference

All I am saying is I wouldn't judge his strength or ability to be a run mauler from the 22 reps.
 

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I keep going back and forth on Cody.

Sure he's a fat ass who doesn't have the stamina to go the distance. But that fat ass can sure clog a hole and we have no player on our roster (Watson could but hasn't always) that can do this.

We may want to draft a more sure thing in the first round and just play to our board and hope Cody lasts until our 2nd round pick. We still have quite a few needs to fill and trading up will burn precious picks.

I'm starting to think that the team might just be more concerned about tackle than any of us project. Brown's contract will be up soon and his price tag escalates in the next year or so. If we follow the Cards trends from the last few years, that means we address tackle fairly early.

I'm making my bold prediction: The Cards will draft Roger Saffold, LT Indiana with our first pick. I've read LOTS of scouting reports stating he's got all the tools to be a fantastic LT at the next level and at the moment, is highly underrated by the draftniks. Some of the board will NOT like this pick, but it will be a great pick 2-3 seasons from now when he's a good starting left tackle and Brown is no longer a starter in the NFL.
 

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Here are just factoids that scare me about T. Cody

5.64 40 time - I know he's big but guy should move a little quicker than that

Most analyst see him as a 2-down lineman because of his lack of stamina

22 bench press reps - underwhelming for what he is being marketed as = a mauler at the zero-technique

Some think he has no motor

This has me wondering if he is Alan Branch v 2.0. Highly touted at the beginning, but fell into the second round for similar reasons

He also has longer arms than any of the other top DT prospects. It's much harder to clear the full bar if you have longer arms. I think his arms are an inch longer than McCoy's or Suh's. Joe posted the info on the "Concern about Cody" thread.

Can you find one source that suggests that Cody has no motor, or lacks one? Everything I've read says that he's a great guy on the field and in the locker room.
 

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Trading Down?

It could happen; we could trade down. If we did, here's how it might work to our advantage.

Let's assume for a moment that we're at #26 and we have 8 yet-to-be-drafted guys - McCourty, Weatherspoon, Hughes, Patrick Robinson, Golden Tate, Bruce Campbell, Roger Saffold and Charles Brown - rated fairly equally on our board.

Let's also assume that DT Jared Odrick is still available, and a team loves the guy and wants to trade up to get him.

If that team picks no further than 8 selections later than #26, we can do that deal - trade down for an extra pick and still get one of those guys we like.

(Note - I used Scout Inc.'s Top 100 Board to base my assumptions. They rate every one of the players I mentioned above as #29 or later).
 

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He also has longer arms than any of the other top DT prospects. It's much harder to clear the full bar if you have longer arms. I think his arms are an inch longer than McCoy's or Suh's. Joe posted the info on the "Concern about Cody" thread.

As a gym rat, yes I know longer arms are a small variable. HOWEVER, this is a lousy excuse for someone in his position. One inch length is not that big of a deal. Trust me. Plus, his bench is off by 11 reps when compared to Kris Jenkins his rookie season at the same position. Arm length cannot explain that gap K-9


Can you find one source that suggests that Cody has no motor, or lacks one? Everything I've read says that he's a great guy on the field and in the locker room.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010tcody.php

Player Comparison: Shaun Rogers. Cody is a slightly less talented version of Shaun Rogers at this point, but he comes with the same concerns with potentially getting too big and lacking a consistent motor.
http://www.thefootballexpert.com/scouting-reports/terrencecodyDTalabama.html

His inconsistent motor and lack of pass rushing ability will make him more of a 2 down lineman in the NFL.
Here's 2 for you, bud.
 
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I also heard a scout...dang, I'm forgetting his name...Matt Williamson?...on Jeremy Green's podcast talk about how the only times he's gotten into any kind of shape was when he had a shot to go to a big-time football school and after he was embarrassed at the combine (I guess he's firmed up a bit since then).
 

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Id heard Harry's name being mentioned once or twice and i can see now why you guys were calling to have him back to pick his brains about the draft. Very insightful info though very damning on somebody i was quite high on.
 

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I'm starting to think that the team might just be more concerned about tackle than any of us project. Brown's contract will be up soon and his price tag escalates in the next year or so. If we follow the Cards trends from the last few years, that means we address tackle fairly early.

I'm making my bold prediction: The Cards will draft Roger Saffold, LT Indiana with our first pick. I've read LOTS of scouting reports stating he's got all the tools to be a fantastic LT at the next level and at the moment, is highly underrated by the draftniks. Some of the board will NOT like this pick, but it will be a great pick 2-3 seasons from now when he's a good starting left tackle and Brown is no longer a starter in the NFL.

With the retirement of Warner I think LT is less of a priority now. Next season we'll probably see the 2 TE set as our base offense and the tackles will be getting much more help in pass protection. We were all screaming for our tackles to not be left on an island all the time but that's how Kurt likes it and Whisenhunt has shown that he caters his offense to the personnel he has. Kurt was at his best in the shotgun with 4 or 5 wide so that was the majority of the offense the last 2 years.

With Matt as QB, Boldin gone and a stud RB in Wells we're going to see the offense we expecting him to bring over from Pittsburgh. Opposing DE's won't be able to simply line up wide and run around the tackles on a regular basis. Even is Levi doesn't actually improve his skills I expect him to look better simply because 1. we'll be passing less so teams won't have as many opportunities to rush the passer and 2. he's going to receive a lot more help in pass protection.
 

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As a gym rat, yes I know longer arms are a small variable. HOWEVER, this is a lousy excuse for someone in his position. One inch length is not that big of a deal. Trust me. Plus, his bench is off by 11 reps when compared to Kris Jenkins his rookie season at the same position. Arm length cannot explain that gap K-9

Being a gym rat yourself, of which I am not, then you would also know that going on a crash diet to loss 30 pounds in 1.5 months can really put a hurt on your brute strength numbers, couldn't it? I dont know for sure, but that is usually the excuse from guys who lose a lot of weight before the combine. Gerald McCoy did the same thing this year. According to Pat Kirwan when he was on Sirius Radio he stated that Cody was regularly putting up 30 or more reps before the senior bowl.

Also those two sites you gave are not real scouts. They are regular peeps just like the rest of us. And what regular people see is a fat guy and automatically put the lacks motor tag on them. Every single fat guy that comes out of the draft will have that lacks motor tag on him from the regular peeps who know how to make a website. Hampton, Washington, Wilfork, Franklin, Ngata, and many other fat guys all had the lacks motor tag. In fact this debate is very similar to one I had with most on Ngata, everyone did not want him because they saw a fat guy who lacked a motor. All I saw was a talented guy who was fat and needed to gain stamina. Real scouts in the NFL know that it isn't because they lacked motor but because they were out of shape and lost stamina towards the end of games. Don't confuse lack of motor with lack of stamina. One is a character flaw and the other is a physical flaw. Physical flaws being easier to fix then Character ones.

And if Cody is already under 350 then he has already fixed the physical flaw and will keep it under 350 as long as I have faith in Lott.
 
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