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Being a gym rat yourself, of which I am not, then you would also know that going on a crash diet to loss 30 pounds in 1.5 months can really put a hurt on your brute strength numbers, couldn't it? I dont know for sure, but that is usually the excuse from guys who lose a lot of weight before the combine. Gerald McCoy did the same thing this year. According to Pat Kirwan when he was on Sirius Radio he stated that Cody was regularly putting up 30 or more reps before the senior bowl.

Also those two sites you gave are not real scouts. They are regular peeps just like the rest of us. And what regular people see is a fat guy and automatically put the lacks motor tag on them. Every single fat guy that comes out of the draft will have that lacks motor tag on him from the regular peeps who know how to make a website. Hampton, Washington, Wilfork, Franklin, Ngata, and many other fat guys all had the lacks motor tag. In fact this debate is very similar to one I had with most on Ngata, everyone did not want him because they saw a fat guy who lacked a motor. All I saw was a talented guy who was fat and needed to gain stamina. Real scouts in the NFL know that it isn't because they lacked motor but because they were out of shape and lost stamina towards the end of games. Don't confuse lack of motor with lack of stamina. One is a character flaw and the other is a physical flaw. Physical flaws being easier to fix then Character ones.

And if Cody is already under 350 then he has already fixed the physical flaw and will keep it under 350 as long as I have faith in Lott.

A person has to buy into what Lott's preaching. In order to stay under a certain weight. That's includes diet when Lott isn't around and the off season.

Plus there are plenty of people around here preaching that you can lose weight no problem without losing strength but actually gaining strength. IE the Porter article. That should be even easier for a guy that has so much fat as compared to a guy like Porter who has very little.
 

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Being a gym rat yourself, of which I am not, then you would also know that going on a crash diet to loss 30 pounds in 1.5 months can really put a hurt on your brute strength numbers, couldn't it? I dont know for sure, but that is usually the excuse from guys who lose a lot of weight before the combine. Gerald McCoy did the same thing this year. According to Pat Kirwan when he was on Sirius Radio he stated that Cody was regularly putting up 30 or more reps before the senior bowl.

Also those two sites you gave are not real scouts. They are regular peeps just like the rest of us. And what regular people see is a fat guy and automatically put the lacks motor tag on them. Every single fat guy that comes out of the draft will have that lacks motor tag on him from the regular peeps who know how to make a website. Hampton, Washington, Wilfork, Franklin, Ngata, and many other fat guys all had the lacks motor tag. In fact this debate is very similar to one I had with most on Ngata, everyone did not want him because they saw a fat guy who lacked a motor. All I saw was a talented guy who was fat and needed to gain stamina. Real scouts in the NFL know that it isn't because they lacked motor but because they were out of shape and lost stamina towards the end of games. Don't confuse lack of motor with lack of stamina. One is a character flaw and the other is a physical flaw. Physical flaws being easier to fix then Character ones.

And if Cody is already under 350 then he has already fixed the physical flaw and will keep it under 350 as long as I have faith in Lott.

Also you can have a guy that puts up 35-40 reps at 225 and thats great, but if he doesnt have the stout legs ( bumb in the trunk) then he will not be a very effective NT with skinny legs. Cody has the leg drive to stall OG/C in there tracks. Thats what I look at in a NT.
 

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Being a gym rat yourself, of which I am not, then you would also know that going on a crash diet to loss 30 pounds in 1.5 months can really put a hurt on your brute strength numbers, couldn't it? I dont know for sure, but that is usually the excuse from guys who lose a lot of weight before the combine. Gerald McCoy did the same thing this year. According to Pat Kirwan when he was on Sirius Radio he stated that Cody was regularly putting up 30 or more reps before the senior bowl.

Also those two sites you gave are not real scouts. They are regular peeps just like the rest of us. And what regular people see is a fat guy and automatically put the lacks motor tag on them. Every single fat guy that comes out of the draft will have that lacks motor tag on him from the regular peeps who know how to make a website. Hampton, Washington, Wilfork, Franklin, Ngata, and many other fat guys all had the lacks motor tag. In fact this debate is very similar to one I had with most on Ngata, everyone did not want him because they saw a fat guy who lacked a motor. All I saw was a talented guy who was fat and needed to gain stamina. Real scouts in the NFL know that it isn't because they lacked motor but because they were out of shape and lost stamina towards the end of games. Don't confuse lack of motor with lack of stamina. One is a character flaw and the other is a physical flaw. Physical flaws being easier to fix then Character ones.

And if Cody is already under 350 then he has already fixed the physical flaw and will keep it under 350 as long as I have faith in Lott.

Depends on your regimen. If you do a hybrid workout, which consists of equal cardio and strength training, you can maintain or even increase strength while still losing weight. It depends on your body fat, which Cody has a lot of. This also requires focus, determination and dedicating long periods of time training. Remember too that the more body fat you have, the faster it comes off with increased exercise. If you are 210 looking to lose 40 pounds, it will take a long time to accomplish; whereas, if you are 380, it is feasible to lose 40 pounds in 6 weeks at a healthy pace.

If he is doing all aerobic exercises (which I doubt because he is a football player), He may see a dip in strength. He would be doing himself a disservice, as he would be sacrificing strength for rapid weight loss and stamina increase. As a NT, he needs that strength to be explosive.

If Kirwan is right and he was doing 30+ reps at the Senior Bowl, then it tells me that more likely he had a bad day at the combine. With my regimen, which mimics that of football players minus plyometrics, some days I feel like I can lift the world in one arm and others, I can't bench a Dixie cup. I have to imagine that it was more that he had an off day than his actual strength; however, 22 does not help his case when many other DTs get into the high 20s low 30s. Although speed is not a priority for NTs, he should still run in the low 5s IMO.

The variable, which you mentioned, is John Lott. He has the ability to get into player's heads and get them to maximize their potential. I remember reading that when DRC was in the combine, he said he had never put up 225 more than 12 times. With Lott's help (and calling him Dairy Queen), he put it up 16 times.

One thing to consider is that motor and stamina have a moderate correlation. Part of increasing stamina requires motivation and determination. And as Pariah mentioned, it was rumored that the only times Cody tried to get in top shape was when he was trying to get into a big-time school and after he was thoroughly embarrassed at the combine. Of course this could easily be complete conjecture.

The plus side to Cody is that he has the technique to be a successful 3-4 nose tackle. His main job is to dominate the interior, command double teams and help his linebackers and DE in the pass rush.

With all things considered, I'm not against drafting Cody at all. I am making an argument that it is a distinct possibility that he slips out of the 1st round.
 
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Warner made the right decision to quit. I admire him tremendously and hope the Cards tie him to the franchise. However, by year’s end, he wasn’t the same player that carried this team to the Super Bowl. I think Leinart gets the job done.

I can't agree that Warner ran out of gas. His playoff performance against the Packers was sheer genius in motion. More TDs than incompletes while throwing over 30 passes with one of your pro bowl receivers in street clothes? Unreal.

I agree Leinart should do fine, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we'd be better off this year with Leinart than Warner.
 

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A person has to buy into what Lott's preaching. In order to stay under a certain weight. That's includes diet when Lott isn't around and the off season.

This isn't college football anymore where coaches have a limited amount of time to spend with their kids, that includes lifting weights. An offseason for College is almost 6 months, in the NFL its 2 months. Lott along with the coaches have seemed to preach offseason and how to handle it to all the other players, some of whom were fatties before they got here. They don't seem to be falling off the wagon. Herman Johnson didn't show up at 400 pounds for workouts after being off for 2 months. Beanie Wells didn't show up at 250 pounds like he always did in college. Lott also calls each player at least once a week all year long according to his interview recently, in his own words, he knows what his little children are doing at all times. Along with the workout bonuses that are common with Cards contracts that last 3 years, There is no more offseason for players anymore, just vacations.

Plus there are plenty of people around here preaching that you can lose weight no problem without losing strength but actually gaining strength. IE the Porter article. That should be even easier for a guy that has so much fat as compared to a guy like Porter who has very little.

There is difference in losing 15 pounds in 6 months and losing 30 pounds in 1 month. Thats a crash diet, not a long and slow process.
 

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I agree Leinart should do fine, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we'd be better off this year with Leinart than Warner.
"I think Leinart gets the job done," and "We'd be better off with Leinart than Warner" are two radically different statements.
 

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Harry's back......agree with what he said....we need more insight though from the Ayotollah of Cardinalollo.

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Excellent stuff Harry, your insight is always appreciated.
 
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