Good Morning - I guess No Horton

[RugbyMuffin]

Well, it is Wednesday morning and the Cardinals did not hire Ray Horton.

EDIT: Based on this rumor/report/thread: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/horton-expects-to-hear-from-cards-by-tuesday-190183.html

-shout out to my editor, MCD-

I guess Bidwill has decided he is going offense or bust......so, he is going bust, IMO.

Bruce Arians ?

Todd Haley ?

Darrell Bevell ?

Seriously ? These are better options then Ray Horton ?


Arians is Whiz part II, whom has had success when a QB is there for him to use. What has this guy done to shown he can do anything to help AZ? Takes really good QB's and puts them in positions where they have to constantly extend plays, and take big hits ? Big Ben has been pratically murdered in Arians system, and Luck got hit so much this year it was a miracle he survived his first year. THIS is the guy ?

Todd Haley..... my point is already made. Is Haley allowed to check his office for wires before he comes in ? If we want to top out at .500 record wise, then he is our guy. If we want to piss off have the roster, then Todd is our guy. And again.......Whiz part II.

So far we have two guys that would make firing Whiz in the first place look ridiculous.

Darrell Bevell. - Such a good prospect that the Cardinals have waited this long to interview a guy who is on the West Coast. But we have the mobile QB, great power runner, and stout offensive line he needs to his system right ? ..... Oh yeah we don't. Right now ? Bevell is spelled - P A N I C.


Ray Horton ? Not even going to hash it all out again how this guy should already have the job. He has a plan, he has all the tape in the world to show what he can do with players, and improve a unit with a years time. .... just ridiculous that the Cardinals would hang him out to dry. But, that is the Cardinals for you.

Pretty pissed Bidwill couldn't get it together before today. Due dilligence ?

Graves is gone, Whiz is gone. If anything, we the fans are going to find out who the problem in that front office is.

Was Graves the snail, or was Graves just forced to ride the snail ?

 

[az jam]

Hard to argue with you as you do make some good points. Our search has become almost an embarrassment. Not that it matters but the national media is having a field day with the "same old Cardinals." I don't think Michael Bidwill understands the word "proactive" as other teams do.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It is most certainly a joke right now...

 

[Stout]

I don't think we could interview Bevell until this week.

 

[jmt]

Right, because all the good coaches have already been signed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Right, because all the good coaches have already been signed.

Not true, Whisenhunt is still available.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Not true, Whisenhunt is still available.

Bazinga.

 

[JeffGollin]

Well, it is Wednesday morning and the Cardinals did not hire Ray Horton....

All it means is that they didn't hire him and that still out there are Gruden, Haley, Bevell plus possible unknown candidates we haven't interviewed...and, yes, Horton. We also know that the competition for these HC jobs has been narrowed down to four teams and that additional guys like Bradley might also be competing for those 4 jobs.

Sure, you can logically guess that - if the Cards wanted Horton, they would have picked him by now - but we don't really know this (There may be other unknown factors coming into play).

When you review the entire contents of this board over the past month or so, the one thing that leaps out is lots of hand-wringing over stuff predicted to happen that either didn't happen or hasn't happened yet and never may happen.

This can be compared to "repeatedly banging your head against the wall because it feels so good when you stop."

I'm a big Ray Horton fan, too, but would rather save my ammo (& excess stomach acid) for something that actually takes place and not stuff we think might take place.

 

[Duckjake]

Not true, Whisenhunt is still available.

To use an ASFN favorite line, If he's so good why hasn't someone else signed him?

 

[slanidrac16]

Don't worry RM...Horton is our next head coach.

No big name candidate is going to walk into this place. We have become one of the worst teams in the league and in the worst position to suceed next year.

No proven QB.
Two injury prone RB's.
A below mediocre offensive line.
Last in a division with possibly the 2 best teams in the NFC going into 2013.
A new basically rookie GM.
A front office in total disarray.

The only guy for the job is a guy in a position like Horton. Nobody is beating his door down to hire him as a head coach. He's got nothing to lose because even if he fails he has a resume of what he did with this defense as a co-ordinator. He will not be umemployed long when the Cards fire him in 3 years.

Yep. Horton is our next head coach. And we will be told he is the guy we wanted all along.

 

[john h]

Well, it is Wednesday morning and the Cardinals did not hire Ray Horton.

I guess Bidwill has decided he is going offense or bust......so, he is going bust, IMO.

Bruce Arians ?

Todd Haley ?

Darrell Bevell ?

Seriously ? These are better options then Ray Horton ?


Arians is Whiz part II, whom has had success when a QB is there for him to use. What has this guy done to shown he can do anything to help AZ? Takes really good QB's and puts them in positions where they have to constantly extend plays, and take big hits ? Big Ben has been pratically murdered in Arians system, and Luck got hit so much this year it was a miracle he survived his first year. THIS is the guy ?

Todd Haley..... my point is already made. Is Haley allowed to check his office for wires before he comes in ? If we want to top out at .500 record wise, then he is our guy. If we want to piss off have the roster, then Todd is our guy. And again.......Whiz part II.

So far we have two guys that would make firing Whiz in the first place look ridiculous.

Darrell Bevell. - Such a good prospect that the Cardinals have waited this long to interview a guy who is on the West Coast. But we have the mobile QB, great power runner, and stout offensive line he needs to his system right ? ..... Oh yeah we don't. Right now ? Bevell is spelled - P A N I C.


Ray Horton ? Not even going to hash it all out again how this guy should already have the job. He has a plan, he has all the tape in the world to show what he can do with players, and improve a unit with a years time. .... just ridiculous that the Cardinals would hang him out to dry. But, that is the Cardinals for you.

Pretty pissed Bidwill couldn't get it together before today. Due dilligence ?

Graves is gone, Whiz is gone. If anything, we the fans are going to find out who the problem in that front office is.

Was Graves the snail, or was Graves just forced to ride the snail ?

For as long as I can recall the Cards have been noted for moving very very slow often at a cost. Not only with coaches but also with players. Since Graves would have needed approval from a Bidwill to make such a hire I put the blame on the owners.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

To use an ASFN favorite line, If he's so good why hasn't someone else signed him?

Or the other favorites, he's easily replaceable and won't be missed.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Arians is Whiz part II, whom has had success when a QB is there for him to use. What has this guy done to shown he can do anything to help AZ? Takes really good QB's and puts them in positions where they have to constantly extend plays, and take big hits ? Big Ben has been pratically murdered in Arians system, and Luck got hit so much this year it was a miracle he survived his first year. THIS is the guy ?

I think you are completely off base on Arians.

The Colts were supposed to be in complete rebuild mode. Arians got thrown into the HC position last minute and did an amazing job with a rookie QB and a totally new coaching staff.

He also did a fantasitic job as OC with Peyton Manning where they improved their record by 10 games in 1999.

He is loved by Big Ben who had won 2 Super Bowls with Arians and who gave him a ringing endorsement for the Bears HC position last week.

The last time the Browns went to the playoffs was when Bruce was the OC and he had Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb as his QBs. Not exactly quality QBs.

So tell me again why Bruce Arians isn't the answer?

 

[kerouac9]

I think you are completely off base on Arians.

The Colts were supposed to be in complete rebuild mode. Arians got thrown into the HC position last minute and did an amazing job with a rookie QB and a totally new coaching staff.

He also did a fantasitic job as OC with Peyton Manning where they improved their record by 10 games in 1999.

He is loved by Big Ben who had won 2 Super Bowls with Arians and who gave him a ringing endorsement for the Bears HC position last week.

The last time the Browns went to the playoffs was when Bruce was the OC and he had Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb as his QBs. Not exactly quality QBs.

So tell me again why Bruce Arians isn't the answer?

Yeah. I'm not asthrilled with the prospect of Arians interviewing as other people are, but it would be a solid hire. I have no idea why the Steelers were eager to run him out of town, but it's worth looking into. He's developed some good quarterbacks--got more out of Ben Roethlisberger than Whis was able to.

Not thrilled with Todd Haley, but it seems like he's comfortable in Pittsburgh for the time being.

I do like Darrell Bevell. Dude made me think that Tavaris Jackson might not be that bad. He's worked with Brett Favre and now Russell Wilson and Matt Flynn. Knows how to operate a power rushing offense and adapt to train a young/inexperienced QB.

Again, Ray Horton isn't leaving. If he'd been impressive enough, he would have been hired as someone else's head coach. Don't mess with what works unless you absolutely have to. Horton isn't going to have the pick of offensive coordinators, and it's possible that guys wouldn't be thrilled to come here, or we'd have to settle for inexperienced guys.

In some ways, Horton has some of the same problems that Whis did. He was in the same place for so long, he doesn't have the developed relationships with coaches outside of the Steelers organization.

 

[desertdawg]

Horton isn't mathmatically eliminated because it's Wednesday. The Cards just haven't finished interviewing everybody, they thought they were going to talk to McCoy but teams keep getting the jumpon us...which makes Horton even more propable IMO.

 

[NJCardFan]

Just an observation but Horton hasn't exactly been at the top of anyone's list so perhaps there is a reason behind no one hiring him. If memory serves me correct, no one besides us has called him for a 2nd interview.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hard to argue with you as you do make some good points. Our search has become almost an embarrassment. Not that it matters but the national media is having a field day with the "same old Cardinals." I don't think Michael Bidwill understands the word "proactive" as other teams do.

Oh goodness my!

You can't say those words aloud, Green will kick you out of the Cardinal fan club.

You will be in my section of "bad fans" that should be killed off.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

All it means is that they didn't hire him and that still out there are Gruden, Haley, Bevell plus possible unknown candidates we haven't interviewed...and, yes, Horton. We also know that the competition for these HC jobs has been narrowed down to four teams and that additional guys like Bradley might also be competing for those 4 jobs.

Sure, you can logically guess that - if the Cards wanted Horton, they would have picked him by now - but we don't really know this (There may be other unknown factors coming into play).

When you review the entire contents of this board over the past month or so, the one thing that leaps out is lots of hand-wringing over stuff predicted to happen that either didn't happen or hasn't happened yet and never may happen.

This can be compared to "repeatedly banging your head against the wall because it feels so good when you stop."

I'm a big Ray Horton fan, too, but would rather save my ammo (& excess stomach acid) for something that actually takes place and not stuff we think might take place.

I don't know why you keep insisting on talking sense.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Right, because all the good coaches have already been signed.

Did I say that ?

It wasn't me who said Horton would get an answer by Tuesday.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/horton-expects-to-hear-from-cards-by-tuesday-190183.html

It's Tuesday, Horton is not the HC, so no Horton. That is it.

He is my personal favorite, but that doesn't mean it is fact that he is the best.

As for the people they are bringing in, obviously I am not impressed with two Whizenhunt part II's and a guy who needs a mobile QB who can make throws OC.

I am more upset that they lied to Horton, but that is what the Cardinals do to people and players that the fans love, the players respect, and who are the few in the organization people respect.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Did I say that ?

It wasn't me who said Horton would get an answer by Tuesday. That is the Arizona media, and the Arizona front office.

Did I miss something?

When did the Cardinals say that and why would they do that in the first place?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Or the other favorites, he's easily replaceable and won't be missed.

I don't believe that for a minute, and have over two decades of craptacular Cardinals defensive football to prove it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Did I miss something?

When did the Cardinals say that and why would they do that in the first place?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/horton-expects-to-hear-from-cards-by-tuesday-190183.html

That is what I am going by.

BTW, I guess the whole thing under the presumption that it is my opinion was completely missed.

Also, can someone point out where I said every other option available to us sucks ?

Must have said since it has been referenced in about 5 posts now.

I hear Horton was supposed to hear from the Cardinals Tuesday, he didn't.

I do not like the guys they are currently bringing in for interviews.

That's it.

Just one guys opinion, and thoughts on why I don't like the three names that are connected to the Cardinals. So put down the war torches boys and girls. No problem debating whether my thoughts on the guys I don't like are ridiculous, or why you don't think Horton is so special.

 

[MadCardDisease]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/horton-expects-to-hear-from-cards-by-tuesday-190183.html

That is what I am going by.

Your opinion is based off of rumors from a rumor mill.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that Horton currently isn’t aware of the team’s plans for him, and that he expects to hear more by Tuesday.

Where did the Arizona front office state this? Hell I didn't even see anything from the Arizona media regarding it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Just an observation but Horton hasn't exactly been at the top of anyone's list so perhaps there is a reason behind no one hiring him. If memory serves me correct, no one besides us has called him for a 2nd interview.

No doubt.

The league is becoming an offensive league, and while Bidwill says he does not want to get hung up on an offensive coach, or defensive coach, it is quite apparent he wants an offensive coach.

Can't blame him, cause that seems to be the trend league wide.

My worry is, if you screw up the defense then this team has absolutely nothing. Back to the 2000's of having a horrible offense and an even worse defense.

The job Horton did on defense, considering the situation he was in, was pretty remarkable, and obviously in my opinion goes a long way to show that regardless of (offensive coach, defensive coach) the guy can get players to buy into a system, and motivate them to play hard every Sunday......or 15 out of 16 Sundays.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Your opinion is based off of rumors from a rumor mill.

Fair enough.

So, does that go across the board. Can't comment on anything dubbed a rumor?

Where did the Arizona front office state this? Hell I didn't even see anything from the Arizona media regarding it.

Fair enough.