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My mock draft is the first ten picks only. Anybody who says they know who is going to be available at pick 22 is kidding themselves. Besides we are all Cardinal fans here so this is what affects us the most. I also am going to assume the move that makes way too much sense not to happen (Oakland trading up to #2 as was reported earlier today) will go through before the draft. So here it is:

Houston – Reggie Bush

An absolute no-brainer. If they stay here and don’t draft Bush (and im not sure there is a trade scenario even possible to entice enough), the Texans front office should be lined up and shot as this is the surest thing I have seen to a HOFer coming out of college

Oakland – Matt Leinert

How many levels does this make sense on? Matt Leinert is the QB closest to being ready to contribute next year. And the Raiders are the closest top 10 team (Cardinals nonwithstanding) to being able to compete on a regular basis. They need a young QB and Al Davis has a predisposition to Heisman winners and guys from SC (if he could get Bush I’m sure he would as that would have completed the trifecta as he LOVES speed) and Lienert has been compared very favorably to Kenny Stabler, a Davis favorite. I think Matt has the tools to be very good and his intangibles and pocket poise are exactly what the Raiders need under center.

Tennessee – Jay Cutler

Here comes the first curve ball of the draft. Don’t think he will be drafted this high? Consider this: The Titans are dead set on getting a QB in this draft as they feel they will never be this high again to draft a stud. With Chow and Fishers choice (fellow SC alum Lienert) off the board because of those dastardly Raiders, they go for the next best fit. Why nor Vince Young? Although I have heard the Floyd Reese is enamored with him, there are a few things in play with this pick.

1 – Cutler is a Tennessee fav since he went to Vanderbilt. That’s good for about an extra 10,000 seats.

2 – The now legendary performance Cutler had when he was throwing darts into the wind and showing off his arm strength took place in, yup Tennessee Titans facilities.

3- While Young is an intriguing talent, Norm Chows system is predicated on pocket passers and WR’s, TE’s and RB’s making the plays. Go down the list of his apprentices. Leinert, Palmer, Phillip Rivers, and a slew of mediocre pocket passing QB’s from BYU.

Cutler has the big arm Chow likes. If it comes down to the coach and OC, I think Cutler will be the pick.

New York Jets – Vince Young

This my friends is what you call the swing pick. I could see them drafting the value pick in Williams at this point (does he fit into a 3-4?), or Hawk (would look good next to Vilma) or even Ferguson (Quick, name the Jets starting LT…..and no its not Pete Kendall) but when it comes down to it, the momentum is swinging back towards Vince Young and this is as good a situation as any, as he can sit back and learn behind Pennington and Ramsey. I’m not sure this is Mangini’s type of QB but I think the pressure will be immense.

Green Bay – Mario Williams

Hmm….team in dire need of pass rush and defensive help, gets chance at #5 to draft the best pass rushing prospect since Julius Peppers? Done and Done.

SF – AJ Hawk

While I know many believe the Niners want to get some help for Alex Smith, can they Nolan, a guy who coached Ray Lewis, pass up on this kid. I don’t think so. They can draft a WR or TE with the 22nd and pick and get a corner later. I personally would draft Hawk over everybody in this draft not named Bush or Leinert. I know SF is enamored with Hawk as well as a I heard an interview with a beat writer on the radio the other day and he said as much.

New Orleans – Vernon Davis

I’m guessing New Orleans gets a 2nd, next years first, and this pick to move back 5 slots and still get a guy they covet. Many are thinking Ferguson is the guy here but I disagree. They made a trade to shore up there tackle position a few weeks ago and with Drew Brees in tow, don’t you think they would like to get him the Antonio Gates clone he had so much success with in SD. Sean Payton loves to use the TE (See Witten and Shockey) and he gets himself a premier one with this pick. Expect them to draft Nick Manigold with their first second round pick as well.

Buffalo – D’Brick Ferguson

And the fall stops here. It always happens. A guy drops on draft day and no one saw it coming. Well I have heard enough scouts say they like Justice better than Ferguson to see that his value as a franchise LT is from a select few. Kiper himself said that Ferguson was no where near the class of Boselli or Ogden. And while Buffalo wanted Ngata, can they really pass on this guy when they have such a need. Exit Mike Williams , Enter Ferguson. That sound you hear is JP Losman yelling for joy that he will actually get to stand up right for more than a few seconds.

Detroit – Chad Jackson

(just kidding)

Michael Huff

Wow this draft has a lot of elite prospects. Marinelli needs a safety to make his cover two defense work, and with no value D-linemen that fit his likes, he goes with the best prospect still on the board.

Arizona – Winston Justice

No QB’s available. Davis is gone. Ferguson and Hawk did not fall far enough. This is terrible right. Not really. What this does is force the PR driven Cardinals to actually make a move in all likelihood is the key to us winning next year. In this scenario I could see the Cards falling back so Philly or Cleveland can get Ngata and I might do that. But I think its smart to draft this guy, immediately pencil him in as RT, and maybe just maybe, he will progress enough to opening day that he can move into the LT spot for BIG. That would be huge (no pun intended).

I say we make this pick, and then forget about this damn position it until about the 6th round where I would recommend grabbing an interior guy. Now we go get BPA at TE, LB, or in the secondary in the next two round and we are on the cusp of big things. For those of you who checked out my draft analysis, while I previously thought we were a playmaker away (and we were but we got one in the Edge) I now believe we should do what every good NFL team does and build depth and talent along the lines. I really don’t think we need anymore Pro Bowl players (although I ain’t sending them back either) as we have great players at key positions already. We just need to make sure guys at positions like FS, MLB, TE, and along the lines are all NFL starter material. Solid but not spectacular.

I think the core is in place and although my preference is to get a young QB this year, its not the end of the world if we don’t and I would rather not waste a second or third rounder if we don’t feel he is at the level as the three top guys in this draft. It’s important that backup QB is addressed however and I think if we don’t get a guy in the first, Kerry Collins is the way to go.
 

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Ferguson at #8 = not realistic mock IMO.
 

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Swap Ferguson and Justice and you have a deal. :)
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
[New Orleans – Vernon Davis

I’m guessing New Orleans gets a 2nd, next years first, and this pick to move back 5 slots and still get a guy they covet. Many are thinking Ferguson is the guy here but I disagree. They made a trade to shore up there tackle position a few weeks ago and with Drew Brees in tow, don’t you think they would like to get him the Antonio Gates clone he had so much success with in SD. Sean Payton loves to use the TE (See Witten and Shockey) and he gets himself a premier one with this pick. Expect them to draft Nick Manigold with their first second round pick as well.

How is trading away your starting LT shoring up your OL. They didnt get any OL in the trade they trade one away.
 

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thank you...if i were abt to write it would sound just like your essay....almost perfect in my eyes vis a vis cardinal pick..i hope you are right as you addressed it just the way it is now...justice should be the pick....as OL is far and away our greatest problem and cannot continue if we want to be any better than 5-11 again....
 

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Instead of Cutler then Young, I think it goes Young then Cutler

Jets loved the way Cutler threw spirals on a cold, wet windy day -- just the conditions faced at Giants stadium.

I also agree with your comment on building talent and depth on the lines -- a good offensive line and a good defensive line makes it so much easier for players to be successful at the other positions.
 
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dreamcastrocks said:
Ferguson at #8 = not realistic mock IMO.

LOL.

Yeah neither was Randy Moss at 21, Warren Sapp at 6, or Aaron Rodgers at 21, or Big Ben at 11 an on and on.....

Happens every year my man....it's easy to sit there and pick off people because Sportscenter, Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock have massaged into your head some unequivical truths for this years draft, but i try to think outside the box and its not like i had Broderick Bunkley going #2. I'm not saying its impossible that Ferguson goes #2, #4, #6, or #7 because all those teams have needs. But it think i explained the rational behind the other picks and i dont think Ferguson is the prospect you think he is (hes good but to robotic in my mind)

but i made my points....so tell me what you think the flaw in my thinking is up to that pick.....
 

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Just like last year when the running backs flew off the shelves early, I can see this scenerio taking place. If the big 3 QB's are off the board, I think that their is enough OL talent in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, that the Cards would select Ngata or Sims (someone to make an immediate impact on our run-stopping ability).

Just my 2 cents.

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joeshmo said:
How is trading away your starting LT shoring up your OL. They didnt get any OL in the trade they trade one away.

Filling one of their biggest remaining offseason needs, the Atlanta Falcons on Thursday afternoon reached an agreement to acquire New Orleans left offensive tackle Wayne Gandy in a trade that sends three-year veteran safety Bryan Scott and an undisclosed 2007 draft choice to the Saints.

Ahh the details of things. I guess i stand corrected. I remember reading your thread entitled "the number two pick is now set" and i thought you wrote that Mario Williams was the pick because they made a deal for a LT to keep Jammal Brown inside. I was writing this off the top of my head, but i thought that for the last couple weeks now.

I still think Payton leans towards Davis and gets OLine help with the two second rounders he would have....but you are right, that does change the thought process.

Still Ferguson would only go the pick before. In that scenario i see the Bills taking Ngata as i have not heard anything out of Orchard Park about liking Justice that much
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
I still think Payton leans towards Davis and gets OLine help with the two second rounders he would have....but you are right, that does change the thought process.

I could still see Davis as a possibility. Brees best friend is his TE. Always has been in every offense he has ever been in. So Davis is a real possibility if NO wants to give Brees the weapons that he will feel comfortable with. And they can still get another OT in the 2nd round. I dont hink it would happen like that but it isnt out of the realm of possibility either.
 

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I'm not sure like everyone else about this draft. But just guessing in your mock..I don't see the Jets taking a QB. I think they take hawk or Davis..I think New york fans go nuts with a QB as the choice this year. That is why even if all else goes as you put it, we still might havbe a chance at Young. I agree that the raiders take second pick and take Lienart. I also agree that it is likely That Tenn takes a QB..could be Young but makes more sence to take Cutler. After that who would switch stratagy to take Young? It could happen just the way you put it...But if he is there do you take Em'?

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Interesting and original AF, nice work...

I especially like seeing Detroit taking a WR with their pick, LOL!
 
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Arizona's Finest said:
LOL

Yeah neither was Randy Moss at 21, Warren Sapp at 6, or Aaron Rodgers at 21, or Big Ben at 11 an on and on.....

Its different with Ferguson, he is pure talent, no issues...

Moss - Character kicked off both FSU and ND before going to Marshall
Rodgers - He fell to 24 and thats because there wasnt a need for a franchise QB last year.
rothlisberger - fell because 2 QBs were projected higher then him there arent that many teams that need a QB that high usually.

Ferguson is the best OL in the draft, he is clear cut #1, he has no Issues, a bunch of teams could use him also, he wont go past 5th in the draft.
 

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Instead of Cutler then Young, I think it goes Young then Cutler

Jets loved the way Cutler threw spirals on a cold, wet windy day -- just the conditions faced at Giants stadium.

I also agree with your comment on building talent and depth on the lines -- a good offensive line and a good defensive line makes it so much easier for players to be successful at the other positions.

On Sport Center with Kiper and some other guys they were speculating the Jets would not take a QB but maybe a lineman.
 

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ChemTheThriller said:
Its different with Ferguson, he is pure talent, no issues...

Moss - Character kicked off both FSU and ND before going to Marshall
Rodgers - He fell to 24 and thats because there wasnt a need for a franchise QB last year.
rothlisberger - fell because 2 QBs were projected higher then him there arent that many teams that need a QB that high usually.

Ferguson is the best OL in the draft, he is clear cut #1, he has no Issues, a bunch of teams could use him also, he wont go past 5th in the draft.


Thank you. I came back to this thread this morning, and I saw that someone had done my job for me.

Thumbs up to you Chem.

Oh, and Rodgers fell because only the 49ers had them on their radar as a top QB.

If you look at every team that drafts ahead of us. Almost every one of them has a need, or a glaring need at OT. That is the main reason that Ferguson doesn't all past 6.
 
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You made a great point there.....or not.:shrug:

I'm sure i dont have to get into a argument about percieved value and knowledge after the fact.

My point is whatever the reasoning behind players falling, it happens. You cant forecast it before necessairly. Yeah i realize Moss and Sapp had behaviorial issues. BUT EVERYONE IN THE DRAFT HAS QUESTION MARKS!

Its as if Reggie Bush fell to the number six pick and then five years later you are saying "Well there were questions about his durability and whether he could handle the load. Of course he dropped!" Way to go Einstien but that doesnt prove your point.

Maybe some teams will decide that they have more pressing needs. Maybe a team planted whisper will go around before that he is a headcase. More likely teams will have questions about previous injuries (i believe he was injured for parts of this year), his lack of ideal weight, or the fact that he comes across as to robotic.

Walter Jones is THE ELITE LT in the game. He was drafted sixth and only becasue a team with a need traded up (and as much as i wuld like to think i can, I cant just start making up trades for draft day because a team needs a LT) Whose to say he doesnt fall to 7 or 8 if Seattle doesnt make that trade?

Selected by the Seattle Seahawks with the sixth overall pick in the first round of the 1997 draft, which was obtained from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for Seattle's 12th overall choice from the first round and a third-round choice obtained from the Atlanta Falcons.

For what its worth, Ferguson is not seen as in the class of Jones, Ogden or Pace. SO heres my point. I might not be right (conventional wisdom says I likely won't be) but i think someones going to drop and i think its him. So instead of going down the list players i named that had historically dropped in the draft and telling me why they did, why don't you make a case for a top guy falling out of the top 5 and why it happened?

That is if you can get an internet connection from up there in your ivory tower.....;)
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
You made a great point there.....or not.:shrug:

I'm sure i dont have to get into a argument about percieved value and knowledge after the fact.

My point is whatever the reasoning behind players falling, it happens. You cant forecast it before necessairly. Yeah i realize Moss and Sapp had behaviorial issues. BUT EVERYONE IN THE DRAFT HAS QUESTION MARKS!

Its as if Reggie Bush fell to the number six pick and then five years later you are saying "Well there were questions about his durability and whether he could handle the load. Of course he dropped!" Way to go Einstien but that doesnt prove your point.

Maybe some teams will decide that they have more pressing needs. Maybe a team planted whisper will go around before that he is a headcase. More likely teams will have questions about previous injuries (i believe he was injured for parts of this year), his lack of ideal weight, or the fact that he comes across as to robotic.

Walter Jones is THE ELITE LT in the game. He was drafted sixth and only becasue a team with a need traded up (and as much as i wuld like to think i can, I cant just start making up trades for draft day because a team needs a LT) Whose to say he doesnt fall to 7 or 8 if Seattle doesnt make that trade?

Selected by the Seattle Seahawks with the sixth overall pick in the first round of the 1997 draft, which was obtained from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for Seattle's 12th overall choice from the first round and a third-round choice obtained from the Atlanta Falcons.

For what its worth, Ferguson is not seen as in the class of Jones, Ogden or Pace. SO heres my point. I might not be right (conventional wisdom says I likely won't be) but i think someones going to drop and i think its him. So instead of going down the list players i named that had historically dropped in the draft and telling me why they did, why don't you make a case for a top guy falling out of the top 5 and why it happened?

That is if you can get an internet connection from up there in your ivory tower.....;)

You definitely make a good point. I can see someone falling from grace if you will. If there are two players in this draft that you could say you "know" where they will be picked. Reggie Bush will be drafted top 2 no matter what, and Ferguson will be top 6.

I think that you just chose the wrong player to fall. When GM's were polled eariler this year (I have to find the article if you are interested) , over 20 of them stated that OT was one of their biggest weaknesses. Ferguson is probably the easiest player to draft, because you pretty much know what you will get from him. Anywhere from a solid above average starter, to a 5-10 year all-pro.

How about this....as a one sided bet, if Ferguson falls past 6. I will buy you a beer of your choice. Sound good?
 
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dreamcastrocks said:
You definitely make a good point. I can see someone falling from grace if you will. If there are two players in this draft that you could say you "know" where they will be picked. Reggie Bush will be drafted top 2 no matter what, and Ferguson will be top 6.

I think that you just chose the wrong player to fall. When GM's were polled eariler this year (I have to find the article if you are interested) , over 20 of them stated that OT was one of their biggest weaknesses. Ferguson is probably the easiest player to draft, because you pretty much know what you will get from him. Anywhere from a solid above average

starter, to a 5-10 year all-pro.

How about this....as a one sided bet, if Ferguson falls past 6. I will buy you a beer of your choice. Sound good?

I'm all about one sided bets....:thumbup:

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