Good Rex / Bad Rex

[Ed Burmila]

The Bears made the Super Bowl (2006?) with one of the worst QBs ever to spend more than a few games starting in this league, Rex Grossman. Living in Chicago among Bears fans, they were always talking about how they could win with defense if Good Rex showed up, but if Bad Rex showed up they were toast. (Lots of doggie jokes followed)

Basically Grossman didn't have to do anything to win games, he just had to not screw up horribly. He could throw some incompletions that were 10 yards off, go 12-for-28, get sacked a few times, etc and the team still had the upper hand. The only thing he couldn't do was turn the ball over. Bad Rex was the guy who threw 2 or 3 brutal INTs in a game.

I think that's where we're at with Stanton. BA has to pound it into the guy's head that it doesn't matter what he does, just don't turn it over. We won 2 games with Drew where he didn't really do anything good, he just didn't throw any INTs. Even though he kinda played lousy overall vs Atlanta, we still would have had a good shot to win that game if he hadn't thrown 1.5 INTs (Jaron Brown gets 0.5 credit on that first one - gotta catch that ball in the NFL kid).

Good Drew played against the Giants and Bad Drew showed up last week. Stanton doesn't need to throw 25 of 30 for 350 yards and 3 TDs. If BA can just coax Good Drew into showing up for the next couple weeks we will have a chance to win these games with defense or maybe a special teams play (like in NY).

The fact that Stanton isn't accurate, we can live with. The killer turnovers, we can't.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Pretty decent assessment. With the defense keeping the team in games, it would seem 21 points from the offense would give them a chance to win. Yeah they had a bad defensive game in ATL, but they did hold the hags to 19 even with a garbage TD. 21 points does seem like light years away at this point because of how anemic the offense has been but if they can't do that they're not going to win anyway unless the games are like the Detroit game.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I think it's a good comparison, but now we have to take into account something else as well.

Good Peterson/Bad Peterson

Who shows up?

 

[Paso Fino]

I can't remember but didn't the Bears have some success running the ball that year?

 

[MrYeahBut]

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Run more of these type plays. It's a gif file but I don't know how
to post it so it goes in motion.
Pass is complete to slot receiver at side line for nice gain.

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[kerouac9]

The challenge is that that Bears team had a 1200 yard rusher in Thomas Jones and a complement in Cedric Benson. They combined for 12 TDs.

 

[NJCardFan]

The challenge is that that Bears team had a 1200 yard rusher in Thomas Jones and a complement in Cedric Benson. They combined for 12 TDs.

Give this man a cheroot.

 

[cardpa]

The challenge is that that Bears team had a 1200 yard rusher in Thomas Jones and a complement in Cedric Benson. They combined for 12 TDs.

Isn't that why they signed Bush?

 

[Buckybird]

Isn't that why they signed Bush?

I hope he's bringing some interior Olineman with him as well

 

[Buckybird]

Good comparison Ed.

The thing that worries me most is this teams mindset particular defensively. The injuries along with the poor play of Stanton seem to be setting in now & Petersons words yesterday sounded like he's feeling the pressure of having to rely on the D to win. It also looked like BA had the look of worry on his face Sunday & yesterday regardless of his words & beliefs.

We shall see in the 1st qtr on Sunday

 

[Cheesebeef]

The challenge is that that Bears team had a 1200 yard rusher in Thomas Jones and a complement in Cedric Benson. They combined for 12 TDs.

they also had the 5th ranked D in the league. Our D is solid, but it's still ranked just 13th in the league.

 

[football karma]

Not sure what's up with Stantons mechanics -- but the common thread the last two weeks has been balls either behind people, or, high or both.

This is less about accuracy -- some of the throws missed are pretty basic throws not under pressure ( witness his last int)

 

[Buckybird]

This is less about accuracy -- some of the throws missed are pretty basic throws not under pressure ( witness his last int)

I say BS on that! It's all about accuracy. The dude has been bad on short balls all year. Even sum of the WR screens that are called are terrible passes after they catch it, limiting RAC. It totally makes no sense he's better on 15 yds + but it is what it is.

Anyone this day & age who isn't completing 60+% of his throws aren't that good anyway.

 

[Proteus]

they also had the 5th ranked D in the league. Our D is solid, but it's still ranked just 13th in the league.

Is that in terms of points allowed or yards allowed?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I say BS on that! It's all about accuracy. The dude has been bad on short balls all year. Even sum of the WR screens that are called are terrible passes after they catch it, limiting RAC. It totally makes no sense he's better on 15 yds + but it is what it is.

Anyone this day & age who isn't completing 60+% of his throws aren't that good anyway.

The guy coming out of college was noted for having a good arm and being accurate. He definitely is inaccurate right now but it has nothing to do with mechanics and it's all mental in my opinion. He does not know the routes with the ebb and flow of game conditions (can it be like Palmer last year where knowing Arians system is not enough but how it adjust to the WRs on the roster) or he is simply rushing the mental process (and rushing can also mean he has decided who to throw to before the play even begins and is not bothering to read the defense, his eyes lock on and guys are running open and he is not considering the options). He knows the offense no doubt, but he is ignoring the fluidity of the play past the first read which is lazy, stupidity or more likely he is timid

 

[Darkside]

Doesn't matter, even with the 4th ranked D or 10th ranked D you have to have a ball control running offense if you have an average or below average QB.

We don't have that. We have a below average QB with no running game.

I honestly don't think people even realize. I'm all for hope, and I'm all kool-aid all the time. But with a bad QB to average QB, which is what we have, we have no chance.

It was already hard enough with Palmer, who completed 62% of his passes, with no running game. That maybe can get you deep to playoffs. Just maybe. Because he's so no quit and can throw 4 INTs and a winning TD like he did against the Seahawks last year. Maybe an accuracy and mentality like that without a running game can win playoff games. Maybe.

But with Stanton there's literally no chance. None. I'm not even sure it was possible with Palmer. You gonna beat the Packers in the playoffs even at home, with Palmer? Dunno about that. With Stanton and no running game the chances are zero even at home.

We had a great year. Awesome. For them to fight the way they did was phenomenal. But when Palmer went down it was totally over. It's not simply that Stanton sucks, which he does, or the lack of running game, but that all those awesome playoff plays you had for Palmer can't even be used now because Stanton can't make those throws. We don't even know what depths of the playbook BA had for Palmer. Now that's lost, because Palmer progressed through it and Stanton is still on page 3.

Without a running game. No chance. None. Maybe if we had a solid ass ground game but with nothing our season is toast. Teams can just stack the box and dare Stanton to beat them. And his completion percentage tells you he'll do it maybe once a game. Big deal. 7 points, at most. Lol.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Doesn't matter, even with the 4th ranked D or 10th ranked D you have to have a ball control running offense if you have an average or below average QB.

We don't have that. We have a below average QB with no running game.

I honestly don't think people even realize. I'm all for hope, and I'm all kool-aid all the time. But with a bad QB to average QB, which is what we have, we have no chance.

It was already hard enough with Palmer, who completed 62% of his passes, with no running game. That maybe can get you deep to playoffs. Just maybe. Because he's so no quit and can throw 4 INTs and a winning TD like he did against the Seahawks last year. Maybe an accuracy and mentality like that without a running game can win playoff games. Maybe.

But with Stanton there's literally no chance. None. I'm not even sure it was possible with Palmer. You gonna beat the Packers in the playoffs even at home, with Palmer? Dunno about that. With Stanton and no running game the chances are zero even at home.

We had a great year. Awesome. For them to fight the way they did was phenomenal. But when Palmer went down it was totally over. It's not simply that Stanton sucks, which he does, or the lack of running game, but that all those awesome playoff plays you had for Palmer can't even be used now because Stanton can't make those throws. We don't even know what depths of the playbook BA had for Palmer. Now that's lost, because Palmer progressed through it and Stanton is still on page 3.

Without a running game. No chance. None. Maybe if we had a solid ass ground game but with nothing our season is toast. Teams can just stack the box and dare Stanton to beat them. And his completion percentage tells you he'll do it maybe once a game. Big deal. 7 points, at most. Lol.

I say Stanton is average, and average does not make one a starter in the NFL because the objective is to win a Super Bowl. Stanton is good enough though with this defense if they come to play... provided we have some kind of running game as you stated correctly and our TE's start acting like freaking TEs who are the X factor to a good running game and making a average QB good enough for post season excellence!

 

[Darkside]

I say Stanton is average, and average does not make one a starter because the objective is to win a Super Bowl. Stanton is good enough with this defense if they come to play... provided we have some kind of running game and our TE's start acting like freaking TEs who are the X factor to a good running game and making a average QB good enough for post season excellence!

When have we displayed a running game all year? We're no threat to run it bro. And as for TEs, when? At this stage of the season you are what you are man, and we're no threat to anyone.

Stanton isn't going to suddenly turn it on and eclipse his 53% completion mark. Our RB's won't eclipse their 3.0 or under average. Our WRs aren't suddenly going to stop dropping balls. We've played 12 games man, that's who they are. Teams and personnel don't change this late in the season bro.

And stop mentioning SB in these posts, it offends me just as much as when BA said Stanton could win one. Lol. Joke man.

 

[Darkside]

I say Stanton is average, and average does not make one a starter in the NFL because the objective is to win a Super Bowl. Stanton is good enough though with this defense if they come to play... provided we have some kind of running game as you stated correctly and our TE's start acting like freaking TEs who are the X factor to a good running game and making a average QB good enough for post season excellence!

I doubt this is true. I said repeatedly all we needed was average with Skelton and that D. Their completion percentage, Scud and Stanton is identical. You simply can't get it done without moving the chains. It requires a higher completion percentage or a running game to augment that and we don't have it.

If you can't run and you throw less than 60% completions you can't move the chains enough to give the D rest and flip field position.

Without that you have no chance.
I know you and other koolaiders and others don't want to believe it, but it's statistically a fact. It's just football, normal football dude.

 

[Jetstream Green]

When have we displayed a running game all year? We're no threat to run it bro. And as for TEs, when? At this stage of the season you are what you are man, and we're no threat to anyone.

Stanton isn't going to suddenly turn it on and eclipse his 53% completion mark. Our RB's won't eclipse their 3.0 or under average. Our WRs aren't suddenly going to stop dropping balls. We've played 12 games man, that's who they are. Teams and personnel don't change this late in the season bro.

And stop mentioning SB in these posts, it offends me just as much as when BA said Stanton could win one. Lol. Joke man.

I will say this, I have a very good feeling about this Chief game coming up and the trick is that I do not think I should... I think, wait for it, Bush is going to have at least one game where people say wow lol

 

[Darkside]

I will say this, I have a very good feeling about this Chief game coming up and the trick is that I do not think I should... I think, wait for it, Bush is going to have at least one game where people say wow lol

And that's fine. I'd be happy with that. Hopes are sweet when they come true. I'm just saying the law of averages play out. I don't think we are good offensively. I think we're inept. Pathetic almost. Can't win many games nor playoff games with a crap offense. This offense isn't average, it's bad.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Bears made the Super Bowl (2006?) with one of the worst QBs ever to spend more than a few games starting in this league, Rex Grossman. Living in Chicago among Bears fans, they were always talking about how they could win with defense if Good Rex showed up, but if Bad Rex showed up they were toast. (Lots of doggie jokes followed)

Basically Grossman didn't have to do anything to win games, he just had to not screw up horribly. He could throw some incompletions that were 10 yards off, go 12-for-28, get sacked a few times, etc and the team still had the upper hand. The only thing he couldn't do was turn the ball over. Bad Rex was the guy who threw 2 or 3 brutal INTs in a game.

I think that's where we're at with Stanton. BA has to pound it into the guy's head that it doesn't matter what he does, just don't turn it over. We won 2 games with Drew where he didn't really do anything good, he just didn't throw any INTs. Even though he kinda played lousy overall vs Atlanta, we still would have had a good shot to win that game if he hadn't thrown 1.5 INTs (Jaron Brown gets 0.5 credit on that first one - gotta catch that ball in the NFL kid).

Good Drew played against the Giants and Bad Drew showed up last week. Stanton doesn't need to throw 25 of 30 for 350 yards and 3 TDs. If BA can just coax Good Drew into showing up for the next couple weeks we will have a chance to win these games with defense or maybe a special teams play (like in NY).

The fact that Stanton isn't accurate, we can live with. The killer turnovers, we can't.

I agree with everything you say. The O=Line has to strap this season on their collective backs and find a way to get a running game going . I think Grice can get it done. He actually looks better running between the tackles than Duke.

I do disagree with one thing. I can't give Brown 1/2 int. The kid went 5 ft in the air for that ball. He's lucky to have gotten his hands on it. If that throw was 6" lower he makes the catch. It was a very poorly throw ball.

 

[cardpa]

I doubt this is true. I said repeatedly all we needed was average with Skelton and that D. Their completion percentage, Scud and Stanton is identical. You simply can't get it done without moving the chains. It requires a higher completion percentage or a running game to augment that and we don't have it.

If you can't run and you throw less than 60% completions you can't move the chains enough to give the D rest and flip field position.

Without that you have no chance.
I know you and other koolaiders and others don't want to believe it, but it's statistically a fact. It's just football, normal football dude.

Sad to say but I believe you are pretty accurate in your assessment of the offense. What boggles my mind is BA brought Stanton in to be a possible starter before they were able to get Palmer. A large part of the reason is Stanton's familiarity with BAs offense. Stanton has been in this offense for 3 years now. Maybe Stanton is just a very good practice player when there is nothing at stake and no pressure to perform, he can execute the offense to near perfection. Put him in the spotlight and he loses all ability to mentally process the offense. There have been a ton of players who have been in the NFL who are/were like that. They rip it up in practice and then come game time its like someone erased their memory.

 

[Buckybird]

Doesn't matter, even with the 4th ranked D or 10th ranked D you have to have a ball control running offense if you have an average or below average QB.

We don't have that. We have a below average QB with no running game.

I honestly don't think people even realize. I'm all for hope, and I'm all kool-aid all the time. But with a bad QB to average QB, which is what we have, we have no chance.

It was already hard enough with Palmer, who completed 62% of his passes, with no running game. That maybe can get you deep to playoffs. Just maybe. Because he's so no quit and can throw 4 INTs and a winning TD like he did against the Seahawks last year. Maybe an accuracy and mentality like that without a running game can win playoff games. Maybe.

But with Stanton there's literally no chance. None. I'm not even sure it was possible with Palmer. You gonna beat the Packers in the playoffs even at home, with Palmer? Dunno about that. With Stanton and no running game the chances are zero even at home.

We had a great year. Awesome. For them to fight the way they did was phenomenal. But when Palmer went down it was totally over. It's not simply that Stanton sucks, which he does, or the lack of running game, but that all those awesome playoff plays you had for Palmer can't even be used now because Stanton can't make those throws. We don't even know what depths of the playbook BA had for Palmer. Now that's lost, because Palmer progressed through it and Stanton is still on page 3.

Without a running game. No chance. None. Maybe if we had a solid ass ground game but with nothing our season is toast. Teams can just stack the box and dare Stanton to beat them. And his completion percentage tells you he'll do it maybe once a game. Big deal. 7 points, at most. Lol.

Reality is tough to take sometimes but I'm right there with ya & I'm sad to say that.

 

[Ed Burmila]

The guy coming out of college was noted for having a good arm and being accurate. He definitely is inaccurate right now but it has nothing to do with mechanics and it's all mental in my opinion. He does not know the routes with the ebb and flow of game conditions (can it be like Palmer last year where knowing Arians system is not enough but how it adjust to the WRs on the roster) or he is simply rushing the mental process (and rushing can also mean he has decided who to throw to before the play even begins and is not bothering to read the defense, his eyes lock on and guys are running open and he is not considering the options). He knows the offense no doubt, but he is ignoring the fluidity of the play past the first read which is lazy, stupidity or more likely he is timid

I agree that the issues are in his head. Physically, the guy can obviously throw the football. When his accuracy goes to hell it's because he is panicking, in my opinion.