Green Continues To Make Changes

[Shane]

I find it amusing as all get out that the troll (love the avatar, btw) is preaching Cardinals success and the die hard fans, many of whom were preaching the play-offs last year, are questioning our ability to win half a dozen games.

This is just an observation, I'm personally in the 7-9 would be great camp... but, I'm still amused by this trend. I really think that a couple guys on here should lighten up on VF, sure he's a Viking's Troll, but he really seems to be behind the Cardinals... I know a few of you are opposed to folks having a second favorite team, but damn, I wish more people who had Cards as their favorite team were as supportive as VF has been.

Now, please do not take this as an endorsement for VF or anything...

Hes not behind the Cardinals! Hes behind Dennis Green. There is a big difference. he wouldnt be here posting had we not signed him as the coach. Lets not forget that. He is a troll!

 

[Southpaw]

DG 9 years with NO losing seasons. 9 straight years with no losing seasons.
8 out of those 9 years made the playoffs. Won 4 division titles. Won 15 games in one season. Set the all time scoring record in the NFL. Had a number 1 defense in the NFL. NFL coach of the year two times. NCAA coach of the year. Voted in PFW the best GM from 95-2000.

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[CardNots]

Is this the first signs of a trade? Shelton does have value.

 

[azdad1978]

I think it's unfair to base Davis' ability to play LT on one game at RT against Leonard Little.Davis hadn't been playing RT all the time,he's a natural LT, and once he adjusts to the speed of DE's he should be fine. I mean, once he gets his hands on those little speed rushers, they are done.I'm sure he'll get a few times early but,i think,he can be an elite LT.Maybe Shelton has gotten as good as he's going to get and Green sees alot more potential in Big. Green had Steussie at LT and STringer at RT.Not a bad tackle combo.Why can't he have Big at LT and Shelton at RT here?

I don't know man it doesn't matter what side big is playing on but speed is the thing that gives big trouble. Maybe Big needs to refine his technique

 

[vikesfan]

Hes not behind the Cardinals! Hes behind Dennis Green. There is a big difference. he wouldnt be here posting had we not signed him as the coach. Lets not forget that. He is a troll!

But the end result is exactly the same. By being behind DG I am behind the Cardinals! I want the Cards to win. I want DG to succeed and the only way to do that is to make the Cards into a winner. So in effect its exactly the same.

As for Big he played one game at RT. That is hardly evidence of what he can do. Let's see how he does with proper coaching and with some time invested in the position. Heck as someone else said at worse it will make him more comfortable if he ever has to move to OT in case of emergency.

 

[JeffGollin]

A few thoughts:

First of all, keep 'em coming Vikesfan. But just realize that your "Why Denny is Great" tapdance is getting kind of old, and many of us have our pointers poised on the scroll bar.

Second, I think Denny is sending an interesting message to his troops - one that transcends the "don't get too comfortable in your jobs" conventional wisdom.

If you read Bill Walsh's primer on building an NFL franchise, you realize that beneath that mild, scholarly demeanor is a ruthless shark whose one goal is to win championships. He won't duck any move he feels he needs to make if it means improving his football team.

I think what his disciple (Denny) is trying to tell his players is: "I'm not the one who's holding you accountable. You're the ones who'll have to hold yourselves accountable. Nothing personal, but I'm going to put the best 11 players on the field at any given time. And if you can't cut it - whether it's because of injury, attitude or lack of talent - there will be another guy playing in your place if he's better. In this sense, I don't cut or demote players; they cut or demote themselves."

That's what I think Denny, through his recent moves, is saying.

 

[Russ Smith]

ok explain this again ok whats the purpose of replacing your best LT with a average always get beaten by speed rushers RT again?

My concern here is that we just moved Big from RG to LG, that's an adjustment, now he's moving to LT, another adjustment. If this is permanent fine, Big gets several months to prepare. But if we're going to ultimately move him back to Guard and put LJ back at LT, I think it might be counter productive to have Big practicing at LT now.

My guess is based on todays' announcements is Big is going to be the LT and Shelton is either the RT, a backup, or out of here. I just don't see the point of making the switch now if Big is NOT going to be the LT.

 

[vikesfan]

My concern here is that we just moved Big from RG to LG, that's an adjustment, now he's moving to LT, another adjustment. If this is permanent fine, Big gets several months to prepare. But if we're going to ultimately move him back to Guard and put LJ back at LT, I think it might be counter productive to have Big practicing at LT now.

My guess is based on todays' announcements is Big is going to be the LT and Shelton is either the RT, a backup, or out of here. I just don't see the point of making the switch now if Big is NOT going to be the LT.

Well playing O Line is not exactly brain surgery. Lewinski was a RT one year and G the next year. Lindsay plays every position on the line. Guys are back up Ts and Gs or Gs and Cs in the NFL. Switching along the line is not a big deal.

Jeff all winning coaches are ruthless. That is the nature of the NFL. You cannot please all the people all the time and if you can you won't win.

 

[Russ Smith]

As for Big he played one game at RT. That is hardly evidence of what he can do. Let's see how he does with proper coaching and with some time invested in the position. Heck as someone else said at worse it will make him more comfortable if he ever has to move to OT in case of emergency.

There's the problem you're having VF. You read a comment from someone and misinterpret it and then declare something as fact that's not. Big played RT more than one game, 2 years ago when Clement was hurt most of the year, Big played RT in several games. I don't have the exact number, but it was more than one.

The hope his his problems with speed rushers at RT were a result of him not liking to play the right side, that the left side is more comfortable, and that he'll be much better there. If Mac had made this move we'd all be accusing him of moving Big because he's paid like a LT, I don't think that's why DG did it, but he didn't do it because Big has proven the ability to play LT in games. Clearly he thinks right now Big is the better LT, hopefully he's right.

But if he moves Shelton back to starting LT in a few months I'll be complaining because Big would have been better off working at LG than LT.

Based on this move big should be the LT this year, if he's not, this decision was made prematurely.

 

[vikesfan]

There's the problem you're having VF. You read a comment from someone and misinterpret it and then declare something as fact that's not. Big played RT more than one game, 2 years ago when Clement was hurt most of the year, Big played RT in several games. I don't have the exact number, but it was more than one.

The hope his his problems with speed rushers at RT were a result of him not liking to play the right side, that the left side is more comfortable, and that he'll be much better there. If Mac had made this move we'd all be accusing him of moving Big because he's paid like a LT, I don't think that's why DG did it, but he didn't do it because Big has proven the ability to play LT in games. Clearly he thinks right now Big is the better LT, hopefully he's right.

But if he moves Shelton back to starting LT in a few months I'll be complaining because Big would have been better off working at LG than LT.

Based on this move big should be the LT this year, if he's not, this decision was made prematurely.

Well playing O Line is not exactly brain surgery. Lewinski was a RT one year and G the next year. Lindsay plays every position on the line. Guys are back up Ts and Gs or Gs and Cs in the NFL. Switching along the line is not a big deal.

 

[Southpaw]

Maybe Green is just using the " Peter Principle " on Leonard. Promote him to his level of incompetence. That way he can determine what he has.

 

[azdad1978]

There's the problem you're having VF. You read a comment from someone and misinterpret it and then declare something as fact that's not. Big played RT more than one game, 2 years ago when Clement was hurt most of the year, Big played RT in several games. I don't have the exact number, but it was more than one.

The hope his his problems with speed rushers at RT were a result of him not liking to play the right side, that the left side is more comfortable, and that he'll be much better there. If Mac had made this move we'd all be accusing him of moving Big because he's paid like a LT, I don't think that's why DG did it, but he didn't do it because Big has proven the ability to play LT in games. Clearly he thinks right now Big is the better LT, hopefully he's right.

But if he moves Shelton back to starting LT in a few months I'll be complaining because Big would have been better off working at LG than LT.

Based on this move big should be the LT this year, if he's not, this decision was made prematurely.

See Russ this exactly what I'm saying to VF. If big can't handle Little what confidence can he give me that Davis can handle Jason Taylor and Simeon Rice this year?

 

[Russ Smith]

Well playing O Line is not exactly brain surgery. Lewinski was a RT one year and G the next year. Lindsay plays every position on the line. Guys are back up Ts and Gs or Gs and Cs in the NFL. Switching along the line is not a big deal.

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Tell that to BIg, he openly complained before that practicing and playing both tackle and guard has slowed down his progress. McGinnis openly said one of the reasons Big hasn't been as good as advertised is learning 2 positions at once.

 

[Jim O]

As for Big he played one game at RT.

Leonard Davis started 15 of 16 games at RT in 2002. He stepped in for Anthony Clement when he tore his triceps in preseason.

Leonard got hurt in the 15th game and was put on IR for the last week.

 

[Russ Smith]

Leonard Davis started 15 of 16 games at RT in 2002. He stepped in for Anthony Clement when he tore his triceps in preseason.

Leonard got hurt in the 15th game and was put on IR for the last week.

Quit confusing the issue by bringing up facts Jim

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You mean when the Cards are making the playoffs and maybe even winning a SB?

at that point in time i'll join ya in the man love, but until that time, if we're all examining moves with analysis, can you add something other than blind faith? if not, you're really not adding a damn thing to each thread.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

DG 9 years with NO losing seasons. 9 straight years with no losing seasons.
8 out of those 9 years made the playoffs. Won 4 division titles. Won 15 games in one season. Set the all time scoring record in the NFL. Had a number 1 defense in the NFL. NFL coach of the year two times. NCAA coach of the year. Voted in PFW the best GM from 95-2000.

Please put this nonsense in your signature and only post when you truly have something to share.

"DG 9 years with NO losing seasons. 9 straight years with no losing seasons.
8 out of those 9 years made the playoffs. Won 4 division titles. Won 15 games in one season. Set the all time scoring record in the NFL. Had a number 1 defense in the NFL. NFL coach of the year two times. NCAA coach of the year. Voted in PFW the best GM from 95-2000."


Thats getting really really tired.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I find it amusing as all get out that the troll (love the avatar, btw) is preaching Cardinals success and the die hard fans, many of whom were preaching the play-offs last year, are questioning our ability to win half a dozen games.

This is just an observation, I'm personally in the 7-9 would be great camp... but, I'm still amused by this trend. I really think that a couple guys on here should lighten up on VF, sure he's a Viking's Troll, but he really seems to be behind the Cardinals... I know a few of you are opposed to folks having a second favorite team, but damn, I wish more people who had Cards as their favorite team were as supportive as VF has been.

Now, please do not take this as an endorsement for VF or anything...

he's not "behind the cardinals," he's behind dg. it's plainly obvious. if dg fails here it'll be b/c of the cards, the front office, the players, the ownership, anything but dg. i would bet the farm on that.

 

[Southpaw]

he's not "behind the cardinals," he's behind dg. it's plainly obvious. if dg fails here it'll be b/c of the cards, the front office, the players, the ownership, anything but dg. i would bet the farm on that.

Tell me about the farm.

 

[vikesfan]

Leonard Davis started 15 of 16 games at RT in 2002. He stepped in for Anthony Clement when he tore his triceps in preseason.

Leonard got hurt in the 15th game and was put on IR for the last week.

I obviously have not followed this team so when I say stuff it is based on what Cards fans in here said so go after them with this stuff not me.

 

[azdad1978]

he's not "behind the cardinals," he's behind dg. it's plainly obvious. if dg fails here it'll be b/c of the cards, the front office, the players, the ownership, anything but dg. i would bet the farm on that.

Nothing new here Ouchie but speaking of the farm how big is it? Does it has greener pastures?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tell me about the farm.

beautiful 90 acre expanse in the old agricultural district of orange county. main crops include hemp, mushrooms, and rice. an old distillery is set up in the back barn. lots of sheep, but numbers have decreased as a result of a recent plague of animal venereal disease suspiciously following section 11's last visit . . .

 

[azdad1978]

beautiful 90 acre expanse in the old agricultural district of orange county. main crops include hemp, mushrooms, and rice. an old distillery is set up in the back barn. lots of sheep, but numbers have decreased as a result of a recent plague of animal venereal disease suspiciously following section 11's last visit . . .

 

[ArizonaLacky]

lj is a better player then clement, they should bench clement and just leave lj at left and put davis at right tackle, i dont think benching lj is any upgrade at any point

 

[vikesfan]

he's not "behind the cardinals," he's behind dg. it's plainly obvious. if dg fails here it'll be b/c of the cards, the front office, the players, the ownership, anything but dg. i would bet the farm on that.

If DG fails it will be because of him, unless the situation changes. But if the situation remains as is then it's all on him. Right now Graves and the Bidwills are letting him do what he wants as long as that situation remains in place it is ALL on DG. I mean all. If he fails he will lose his job. End of story.