Green Still a Dodger

[Lefty]

I don't know if Fox 10 Sports Jude LuCava (and his sources) are very credible, but he reported that there is a potential deal that might involve the Dbacks sending Vasquez to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.....

I would be ecstatic if that deal materializes since Pierre would become the lead-off hitter that they've desperately needed since the inception of their franchise, however, I just dont see the Marlins trading him (unless Eric Reed is ready to become their every day CF).....

Just imagine Pierre hitting in the lead-off spot playing CF and then the Dbacks still adding Burnitz as their RF batting 5th... Wow..... if that comes to fruition and they add a top-notch starter in some separate deal....this team could really dominate....

You're kidding, I hope. Maybe if the Marlins throw in Beckett and the Diamondbacks add Shea it would be a good deal.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I agree.... You don't ever trade pitching for a hitter

True, however, Vasquez is forcing the Dbacks in the worst possible situation since he doesnt want to play in AZ or any team on the West Coast for that matter....It's certainly a lot better than getting Kip Wells from Pittsburgh or Erik Bedard from the Orioles.....

As far as Burnett...there's some talk that the Marlins are now interested in giving him a long-term extension.....

Perhaps the Dbacks still can get Stokes and a pitching prospect in exchange for Vasquez, but at what cost would the Dbacks we willing to go? Hillenbrand may not be enough to pull something off like that..... It's just Pierre becomes a Dback...he's just a "game-changer" if there ever is one in baseball...... Yes, may be not the greatest if for Vasquez straight-out, but we all must figure in on what other deals would be made to complement that one.....

 

[Ryanwb]

I would assume that if talks are off with LA that Navarro goes to Florida and that Burnett and not Beckett would be involved in any deal. Not because we value Burnett higher than Beckett, it's because the Marlins do

 

[Ryanwb]

I think people under-value Shea Hillenbrand. I see him as a Jeff Conine type player.... steady role player who will drive in 85 runs a year and give you a little power.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I would assume that if talks are off with LA that Navarro goes to Florida and that Burnett and not Beckett would be involved in any deal. Not because we value Burnett higher than Beckett, it's because the Marlins do

The Marlins are trying to reach an extension with Paul Lo Duca..or if they fail to do so...they are stockpiled with catching prospects (Matt Treanor and Josh Willingham), so they have no need for Navarro....

I still wish the Angels could get involved a possible trade, however, Vasquez would refuse to go there along with the fact that their positions of need are Dbacks weaknesses, so that wouldnt add up......

I wonder if the Dbacks would be willing to part with Gosling, Ben Murhpy, or Matt Chico in some package..but that would be too much of a risk....

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I agree.... You don't ever trade pitching for a hitter

I wouldnt say never, but our rotation would then shake out to be Ortiz, then Webb, followed by......? In essence, our rotation would be worse than last years (which I would have thought would be impossible), and we wouldnt have much trade bait to improve the rotation without giving up the farm (which would be unwise for a team looking to rebound from such a devastating season). All that for a lead off hitter? Id pass...

 

[Ryanwb]

The Marlins are trying to reach an extension with Paul Lo Duca..or if they fail to do so...they are stockpiled with catching prospects (Matt Treanor and Josh Willingham), so they have no need for Navarro....

So the Diamondbacks are stupid for taking a player they didn't need to trade for Green who had a no trade clause.... this team is so dumb sometimes

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Boy from the rotation of Curt, Randy, Miguel, Brandon Webb, x, to what we are at today, this is just disgusting, and shows exactly what is wrong with baseball. We had the best players, and because of the ******** economics of the game, we had to dismember our championship team. The Yankees will have to pay more luxury tax than the entire Devil Ray's payroll. Can you imagine having this system in any other league, and expect anyone to give a damn? The fact that the Angels and Marlins won recently were total flukes; look at the teams with postseason success, and it is almost all large market teams. If your team isn't in LA, NY, Boston or Chicago, you really have little chance of success. Congrats Bud, you have a hell of a league...

 

[KingLouieLouie]

So the Diamondbacks are stupid for taking a player they didn't need to trade for Green who had a no trade clause.... this team is so dumb sometimes

Exactly...that's what I said in my first post in this thread.... One would have been lead to believe that Green/his agents and the Dbacks had reached some contractual agreement in order for Navarro to be involved.... Perhaps the Dodgers were avenging for last year's aborted Johnson trade at the deadline because they got stuck w/Brad Penny thinking that he would be prompty traded here.....

The only logical way for the Dbacks to have handled this was for them to have a contigency (if this was if at all possible) with the Yankees...that if the Green trade did "fall through" for whatever reason..then another player (probably Eric Duncan, Abel Gomez. or Melky Cabrera) that would have helped fill some needs in the Dbacks minor league system.....

Instead..they obviously miscalculated and erred here.......If the Dbacks can still end-up with Brad Penny in a separate deal along with Burnitz and Pierre, that would be solid.....

I just dont consider Bedard or Kip Wells to be adequate enough....The Phillies are intriguing since they could package Randy Wolf (who has some frontline pitching potential) along with some of their OF prospects..that wouldnt be all too bad......

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

So the Diamondbacks are stupid for taking a player they didn't need to trade for Green who had a no trade clause.... this team is so dumb sometimes

I wouldnt worry about them being stuck with Navarro, he is one of the better catching prospects in the league and there are enough teams that could use him. I still think he will end up going to the Dodgers, I just dont know for who. Hopefully he can be sent with another mid-tier prospect for somebody we can use in our rotation.

 

[Evil Ash]

Evidently the trade for Green isn't dead just yet

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3302140

Dodgers, Diamondbacks revise deal
Bob Baum / Associated Press
Posted: 5 minutes ago

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona Diamondbacks were given another 48-hour window to negotiate a contract extension with Shawn Green that would persuade the Los Angeles slugger to waive his no-trade clause.

The Diamondbacks and Dodgers reached agreement Friday night on a revised trade that would send Green to Arizona for catching prospect Dioner Navarro, Diamondbacks general partner Ken Kendrick said.
The commissioner's office received the request to reopen the negotiating window Friday night, and said the Diamondbacks have until Monday to strike a deal with Green.

At least one other Arizona player would go to the Dodgers, but Kendrick could not give any names. The earlier trade would have sent minor league pitcher William Juarez with Navarro to Los Angeles, and the Dodgers would have given the Diamondbacks $8 million.

The new trade may call for the Dodgers to send the Diamondbacks more money to help Arizona strike a new agreement with Green, but Kendrick would not comment on that.

"It's a slightly different deal," Kendrick said. "We hope we are able to come to terms with Shawn. We were relatively close on certain things and never really had a chance to get to other things."

One of the non-money issues that could be a stumbling block is whether Arizona is willing to include a no-trade clause in Green's extension.

Navarro and pitchers Javier Vazquez and Brad Halsey - along with $9 million - are to come to Arizona from the New York Yankees in exchange for Randy Johnson. All that remains before that trade is completed are the player physicals, expected to be occur Monday.

Green's agent, Greg Genske, said Friday night that his client was willing to the Diamondbacks.

"If in fact the Dodgers and Diamondbacks agreed to a new trade proposal and they would like to reopen the negotiating window, we're happy to engage in that process," he said.

However, the first 48-hour window ended with no agreement, and Green is reluctant to leave the Dodgers. He has one year and $16 million left on his contract there.

"We were granted a short window of time," Genske said. "Within that window, Shawn was very impressed with the Diamondbacks organization and their level of interest in him. At the same time, it was a very difficult decision on whether Shawn was going to leave southern California and the Dodgers."

The Dodgers are holding off finalizing a contract with free agent pitcher Derek Lowe while trying to finish the Green trade, a lawyer involved in the Lowe talks told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. But Green, as a player already under contract, is under no time pressure to reach an agreement.

If the Green talks fail, Kendrick said the Diamondbacks have other plans to find a right fielder. The team also expects to acquire a center fielder soon.

"I think that one is going to surprise people," Kendrick said without elaborating.

Arizona also wants another starting pitcher, possibly Shawn Estes, and help its bullpen. Kendrick said he hopes all of those personnel decisions will be made within a week.

Kendrick, who acknowledges he is learning fast about the oddities of professional baseball negotiations, said he remained encouraged about obtaining Green.

"I'm an optimist by nature," he said. "We wouldn't enter into these discussions if we weren't optimistic we could get it done."

 

[Evil Ash]

The team also expects to acquire a center fielder soon.

"I think that one is going to surprise people," Kendrick said without elaborating.

Juan Pierre???

 

[Ryanwb]

Juan Pierre???

Yep

Or Beltran

 

[Ryanwb]

I guess there is still speculation that Vazquez will go to the White Sox with the deal centering around Aaron Rowand....

The White Sox have both Rowand and Podsednik as CF'ers

 

[AZZenny]

Why is it that I just really don't like the idea of surprises from this front office? Obviously LA desperately wants to shed Green - but that doesn't mean we need to be hogtied by his extension demands.

Beltran - yeah. Maybe Boras will package him up with Stephen Drew as a throw-in. LOL.

If the Mets seriously go for Beltran, perhaps give them Vazquez for Cameron and Yusmiero Petit (41 BB/200Ks in 2004). They don't have any ready to roll prospects, but this kid looks like a very good pitching prospect. Oh, that's right - we think we're keeping Vazquez.

Here goes the farm, boys. Heck, if we have everybody and his brother signed to four year deals, we don't really NEED near-ready top prospects - right?

 

[sunsfn]

I am really sick of this Green deal.........! Let him go..........!

Offer him what you want to pay him and tell him to go S.... if he does not want it. This is another player that will be gone in a couple years with an injury and then they have to pay him for another year or ?........dumb sports owners!!!

There has to be other outfielders out there, why are they so insistent on Green?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Forget about guys like Juan Pierre, we already have a center fielder. His name is Luis Terrero. I think our priorities should instead be:
A) A decent fourth pitcher
B) A decent right fielder
C) Stephen Drew
D) Filling out the bench

I really am not convinced that acquiring a center fielder is as big of a priority as those four things above.

 

[Evil Ash]

From today's Republic...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0108dbacks0108.html

Third time a charm?
D-Backs trying again for Green

Mark Gonzales
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 8, 2005 12:00 AM

The clock is ticking once again for Shawn Green and the Diamondbacks, who on Friday night requested that the Commissioner's Office open a 48-hour window to resume negotiations and complete a trade with Los Angeles.

The Diamondbacks also are trying to fill their center field position and the No. 4 spot in the pitching rotation. They have set their sights on Oakland outfielder Eric Byrnes, who batted .283 with 20 home runs and 17 stolen bases in 18 attempts last season.

Byrnes, 28, is arbitration eligible but is more proven than Luis Terrero, who will be a backup if he isn't traded. Byrnes and Terrero can play all three outfield positions. advertisement

"I'm pretty confident we're going to have these positions filled within this next week, if not prior to next week," General Partner Ken Kendrick said Friday before the Diamondbacks struck a tentative deal with the Dodgers.

The Diamondbacks are believed to be getting $10 million and Green for minor league catcher Dioner Navarro, minor league pitcher William Juarez and two lower-level pitchers.

A different proposal failed Thursday when Green, 32, and the Diamondbacks couldn't agree on a two-year extension that would have allowed him to waive his no-trade clause.

The extra money could be the difference to fulfill Green's extension request, although rejecting a trade would keep him with a team that has tried three times to trade him.

Green was scheduled to make $16 million this season in the final year of his contract, but was asked by the Diamondbacks to take a substantial cut for his extension.

The Diamondbacks thought they had Green last month in a three-team deal involving the New York Yankees until the Dodgers backed out.

"Shawn was very impressed with the Diamondbacks organization and their high level of interest," agent Greg Genske said.

Green, a career .314 hitter in 175 at-bats at Bank One Ballpark, would solve the Diamondbacks' void in right field and give them a productive left-handed bat behind Luis Gonzalez (a Genske client) and Troy Glaus.

The Diamondbacks are now more equipped to trade for a center fielder. The free-agent signings of shortstop Royce Clayton and second baseman Craig Counsell make infielders Alex Cintron, Matt Kata and Scott Hairston expendable, with Cintron potentially bringing more value because of his experience (2 1/2 seasons) and his ability to play three positions and switch-hit.

Oakland is looking for infield depth because of the uncertainty of Mark Ellis, who missed all of 2004 because of a shoulder injury.

Arbitration-eligible first baseman Shea Hillenbrand could be expendable. Chad Tracy could move from third.

Although Florida's A.J. Burnett could be available, the Diamondbacks could settle for a one-year deal with free-agent left-hander Shawn Estes for the No. 4 spot in the rotation.

Estes, 31, won 15 games with Colorado last season and has expressed a preference to pitch close to his Paradise Valley home with his wife and two young sons.

David Meier, Estes' agent, said his client had ruled out Seattle and is considering the Diamondbacks, San Diego, Houston and Washington. But Estes probably would settle for a one-year deal with the Diamondbacks after passing on a Thursday deadline with the Padres.

"We've got a few things going on," Meier said.

 

[Kolo]

I like Byrnes. Oakland is looking for infield depth, but there's no way Hairston or Cintron alone gets it done. Maybe one of Hairston/Cintron/Kata and one of Bruney/Villareal/Valverde?

 

[Kolo]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp...y?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true

The L.A. Times has L.A. now paying $10 million of this year's $16 million salary and us throwing in 2 additional minor league pitchers. Also says Green expected to sign a 2 year extension for $17 million total, although if that's what Green is going to sign the deal would have been done two days ago, I would have thought.

 

[AZZenny]

Oakland is looking for infield depth

Billy Beane covets Conor Jackson, who can play third and first - and in fact is probably our future 1st baseman, if we don't trade him off for some overpriced short-term/long-contract solution. That makes him an infielder. Beane might like Chad Tracy, too - but I can't imagine him taking a DP and no-OBP guy like Shea and neither Cintron nor Kata are his type of player. He might like Corey Myer, too. He doesn't go for mediocre, he goes for undervalued.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Oakland is looking for infield depth

Billy Beane covets Conor Jackson, who can play third and first - and in fact is probably our future 1st baseman, if we don't trade him off for some overpriced short-term/long-contract solution. That makes him an infielder. Beane might like Chad Tracy, too - but I can't imagine him taking a DP and no-OBP guy like Shea and neither Cintron nor Kata are his type of player. He might like Corey Myer, too. He doesn't go for mediocre, he goes for undervalued.

Has Jackson played much 3rd base since college?

 

[AZZenny]

No - just a couple times this summer - but midway through AzFL they started having him take grounders at first base per the DBack's request, and he played an inning or two there at the end as a PH replacement.