Greg Schiano and the last two plays

[Timm Rosenbach]

Bush league. I look forward to him being fired. No integrity and no class

 

[DeAnna]

I must've missed that. Which 2 plays?

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I must've missed that. Which 2 plays?

The Cardinals were taking a knee and he sent the defense at Palmer's knees just like he did against Eli Manning last year.

 

[JeffGollin]

I must've missed that. Which 2 plays?

Schiano doesn't believe in letting opposing teams take knees unchallenged. I believe every NFL coach know this. (But I wasn't aware that the Bucs went after Carson's knees. If so, it's bush ).

 

[crisper57]

He always does that. Classless.

I respect not giving up. I don't respect cheap shots when the game is lost.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Schiano must equate playing dirty to playing hard. He's a bum and will be out of the league in about 7 games.

 

[crisper57]

Schiano must equate playing dirty to playing hard. He's a bum and will be out of the league in about 7 games.

I hear USC is hiring. Perfect fit, class-wise.

 

[sundevil04]

He's a punk NFL = not for long when you do crap like that. See ya pal, back to small time college ball you go.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I can't believe they weren't ready for it. Palmer hitting the deck on the first one should have never happened. I don't even know who you blame that on. Coaches, players, somebody should have said 'Hey wait a second, isn't this the guy that sends the kamakazi rush on the kneeldown?' Second one, they were ready for and braced themselves.

I don't know if they were diving for anybody's knees though. They're probably just told to play like it's a normal goal line play. That's the way it looks.

 

[PJ1]

I can't believe they weren't ready for it. Palmer hitting the deck on the first one should have never happened. I don't even know who you blame that on. Coaches, players, somebody should have said 'Hey wait a second, isn't this the guy that sends the kamakazi rush on the kneeldown?' Second one, they were ready for and braced themselves.

I don't know if they were diving for anybody's knees though. They're probably just told to play like it's a normal goal line play. That's the way it looks.

This. Didn't see much of a handshake from Arians after the game though.

 

[az jam]

I can't believe they weren't ready for it. Palmer hitting the deck on the first one should have never happened. I don't even know who you blame that on. Coaches, players, somebody should have said 'Hey wait a second, isn't this the guy that sends the kamakazi rush on the kneeldown?' Second one, they were ready for and braced themselves.

I don't know if they were diving for anybody's knees though. They're probably just told to play like it's a normal goal line play. That's the way it looks.

They weren't going for his knees but were pushing the Card's offensive linemen very hard into Palmer. It is bush league.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

This. Didn't see much of a handshake from Arians after the game though.

He is a first class jerk and has been for some time. The accepted kneeldown is one of the few unwritten rules in the league that nearly every coach in the history of the league has agreed upon and he got blasted for not abiding by it by Coughlin last year. Fortunately, it will all be over soon for Schiano.

And both Manning and Palmer ended up going down with a leg planted in the ground. In my book, that is going for the knees.

 

[TheCardinal]

If you remember the last time we played the Bucs in Tampa, a Cardinals defensive lineman swatted the ball away on the snap on a kneeldown and we nearly recovered in the scramble for the loose ball, down by seven. What Schiano does is indeed bush league, but watch if one day it actually works, then they'll call it "genius," and "what a great competitor," who kept "fighting until the end." Just happy it didn't work against us, and the Cardinals should've been better prepared for that on the first kneeldown.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't have an issue with it. Not one bit. You play to the end of the game. If you can force a turnover on a bad snap on a kneeldown and win a game, well do it!

I don't like the coach, but I don't begrudge him this idiosyncracy. I actually like it. As long as his guys don't chop at knees, I'm good.

You have tape on him...you know it is coming...block the damn play like it's a damn play..otherwise, be at risk of turning it over. If they somehow force a turn in that situation, they are kicking a game-tying FG. Of COURSE you take that opportunity.

There are no unwritten rules. You play hard to the whistle and to the final 0:00. The end.

 

[Mulli]

I don't have an issue with it. Not one bit. You play to the end of the game. If you can force a turnover on a bad snap on a kneeldown and win a game, well do it!

I don't like the coach, but I don't begrudge him this idiosyncracy. I actually like it. As long as his guys don't chop at knees, I'm good.

You have tape on him...you know it is coming...block the damn play like it's a damn play..otherwise, be at risk of turning it over. If they somehow force a turn in that situation, they are kicking a game-tying FG. Of COURSE you take that opportunity.

There are no unwritten rules. You play hard to the whistle and to the final 0:00. The end.

Exactly. It is old news now. Oh noes, the other team is trying to get your QB, what to do! what to do!!!

 

[Lloydian]

If you remember the last time we played the Bucs in Tampa, a Cardinals defensive lineman swatted the ball away on the snap on a kneeldown and we nearly recovered in the scramble for the loose ball, down by seven. What Schiano does is indeed bush league, but watch if one day it actually works, then they'll call it "genius," and "what a great competitor," who kept "fighting until the end." Just happy it didn't work against us, and the Cardinals should've been better prepared for that on the first kneeldown.

I can only guess that you have this game confused with some other game, but on 11/4/07, the game ended with a Jeff Garcia kneel down, and there were no fumbles (whether lost or otherwise) during the game.

The maneuver of attempting to get a turnover on a kneel down does not work. Gregg Easterbrook challenged readers to find support for Schiano's methods last year after the Giants game (and the following week when he did the same thing against the Cowboys). The only thing it can succeed in doing is injuring players. I so look forward to that idiot getting his just results.

 

[TheCardinal]

I can only guess that you have this game confused with some other game, but on 11/4/07, the game ended with a Jeff Garcia kneel down, and there were no fumbles (whether lost or otherwise) during the game.

The maneuver of attempting to get a turnover on a kneel down does not work. Gregg Easterbrook challenged readers to find support for Schiano's methods last year after the Giants game (and the following week when he did the same thing against the Cowboys). The only thing it can succeed in doing is injuring players. I so look forward to that idiot getting his just results.

I was at that game. It was the one where Warner threw an interception just on the other side of the 2:00 warning but could not be reviewed (should have still been Cardinals' ball) because we were out of time-outs. When the Bucs were trying to kneel down, an Arizona lineman swatted the ball out from the center as it was being snapped and an alert Buccaneers player pounced on it. The refs threw a flag for an "illegal snap" on Tampa Bay because an offensive player other than the QB was the first to touch the ball (with QB under center). Officially, it may not have gone down as a fumble, although I'm not sure what the ruling would have been had a Cardinals player recovered the ball. Tampa Bay did finally kneel down to end the game.

 

[TheCardinal]

Below is a quote from nfl.com. They called it a "false start" as the referee signal was the same motion as for "illegal snap." I'm pretty sure the play continued and would have been a live ball. When I later watched the tape, the Cardinals player did actually touch it first (probably should have been a penalty on us), but ref maybe didn't see it that way.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007110407/2007/REG9/cardinals@buccaneers

It was over when ...
Kurt Warner's pass was intercepted by the Bucs safety Jermaine Phillips with 2:39 left. Without any timeouts, the Cardinals were unable to stop the clock and Tampa Bay never relinquished possession, despite botching a kneel-down and snapping the ball between Jeff Garcia's legs for a false start.

 

[Mulli]

Below is a quote from nfl.com. They called it a "false start" as the referee signal was the same motion as for "illegal snap." I'm pretty sure the play continued and would have been a live ball. When I later watched the tape, the Cardinals player did actually touch it first (probably should have been a penalty on us), but ref maybe didn't see it that way.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007110407/2007/REG9/cardinals@buccaneers

It was over when ...
Kurt Warner's pass was intercepted by the Bucs safety Jermaine Phillips with 2:39 left. Without any timeouts, the Cardinals were unable to stop the clock and Tampa Bay never relinquished possession, despite botching a kneel-down and snapping the ball between Jeff Garcia's legs for a false start.

That was such a terrible game. I wore a Leinart jersey to this game. Got very little opportunity to cheer anything. Blech.

 

[cardpa]

Man the stats for that game were worse than this past Sunday. Warner was 10/30 with 2 INT. Maybe the Cardinals just don't play well in Tampa.

 

[Mulli]

Man the stats for that game were worse than this past Sunday. Warner was 10/30 with 2 INT. Maybe the Cardinals just don't play well in Tampa.

Fitz falling out of bounds was a classic weird Cardinals play. I also learned from many knowledgeable Trampa fans that Leinart as known as "white gold" at USC.

 

[Duckjake]

They weren't going for his knees but were pushing the Card's offensive linemen very hard into Palmer.

And that was different from the rest of the game how?

 

[D-Dogg]

I lol'd.

 

[ajcardfan]

Hell, we should all love the hell out of Schiano. His decision to bench Freeman for Glennon was a pure gift of a win.

 

[RedRob]

Man the stats for that game were worse than this past Sunday. Warner was 10/30 with 2 INT. Maybe the Cardinals just don't play well in Tampa.

Actually no, and I've considered starting a thread on this; most folks don't realize that Warner wasn't exactly lighting it up in his early days with us. The thought here being that good, bad, or otherwise Carson deserves more of a rope than folks here are currently giving him.