Griese

[john h]

Reports are Griese and Bucs are no where near a deal. Report indicated Bucs may not be able to offer him more than a one year 2 mil deal do to cap space in which case he will probably explore the free agent market. I would sure take a hard look at him on a 2-3 yr deal.

Matt Jones was invited to the combine as a QB and will work at that position. If this guy is around in round three he would sure be worth a pick as a possible QB. He set some SEC records including rushing records for a QB. The other Arkansas guy invited to the combines is DeCori Birmingham. A fast smallish back and kickoff and punt returner. We could sure use this guy as a returner. He is one of those guys you take in round six and the next thing you know he is an all pro returner.

 

[Cardiholic]

I'm convinced that Griese is the best QB available ( well, if he becomes available ). I am really hoping that Griese in AZ becomes reality.

 

[jefftheshark]

I'm convinced that Griese is the best QB available.

I suspect that you're right, and what a sad state of affairs that is.

The Shark

 

[Redsz]

He nearly threw for 3000 yds in 11 games, completed 69% of his passes, had 20 TDs and 97.0 QB rating.

IF we are going after a QB in FA, he would be the guy I would want us to target. He would light it up with Fitz, Q and Johnson.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He nearly threw for 3000 yds in 11 games, completed 69% of his passes, had 20 TDs and 97.0 QB rating.

IF we are going after a QB in FA, he would be the guy I would want us to target. He would light it up with Fitz, Q and Johnson.

He definitely had a very good year last year. Griese would give McCown all he wanted.

 

[Evil Ash]

I'm convinced that Griese is the best QB available ( well, if he becomes available ).

He probably is (and thats a telling statement) and he's going to be paid like it. Don't get your hopes up because we aren't going to spend top dollar for QB competition.

IMO the max we'll spend is around $2.5 - 3 million (including signing bonus) per year. With that price range our options will be limited

 

[jstadvl]

Point about Green

as stated before, he doesn't believe in putting major cash out for someone else's player. He thinks that you can't ever know that what you saw last year is what you'll get with your team this year. He wants his own gang in there and that includes draft choices.
If Greise wants the bank, he won't get it here.
I DO think He and j
Josh would be a good push for each other, and for Navarre, it would be a great move for tutelage. Same type of QB mentality.

 

[az1965]

as stated before, he doesn't believe in putting major cash out for someone else's player. He thinks that you can't ever know that what you saw last year is what you'll get with your team this year. He wants his own gang in there and that includes draft choices.
If Greise wants the bank, he won't get it here.
I DO think He and j
Josh would be a good push for each other, and for Navarre, it would be a great move for tutelage. Same type of QB mentality.

You don't want to break the bank, but at the same time QB is not the best position to save money on. We have to have a decent signal caller or the season will be toasted again.

 

[Pariah]

You don't want to break the bank, but at the same time QB is not the best position to save money on. We have to have a decent signal caller or the season will be toasted again.

Amen. Plus, I think the market will take into account that it's a week field. The cap does encourage at least some frugality.

 

[jstadvl]

I don't know

if I agree with that totally. Some other changes and the right RB could help the QB situation no matter who's back there. I just don't think green will shell out the bank for Greise. If it's reasonably incentive aden contract, with out too much guarnteed up front, maybe.

 

[Stout]

if I agree with that totally. Some other changes and the right RB could help the QB situation no matter who's back there. I just don't think green will shell out the bank for Greise. If it's reasonably incentive aden contract, with out too much guarnteed up front, maybe.

Personally, I think Green wants anyone but McCown back there next year. Now, what do I think he'll do to fix the situation? Not a friggin' clue here

 

[john h]

Personally, I think Green wants anyone but McCown back there next year. Now, what do I think he'll do to fix the situation? Not a friggin' clue here

No clue here either. I do think there is a 99% chance he will sign someone but he will have to choose from those who are willing to come here. I also think Graves and the OC will have some input on this issue as this will be a significant move. I have read in a couple of sporting publications that if certain QB's were to fall to Airizona in the draft at the number 8 slot Green might be hard pressed to pass on one. I think most on this board would discount that but it is out there and anything a coach says at this point about who he might draft is probably a diversion. San Diego is in dire need of a wide receiver I read (?) in the Sporting News. If that is really the case and we continue to have problems reaching an agreement with Bolden this might be a way to go after Rivers. Both are young, both will be high priced and both would fill a need. I have not read anything on the Bolden situation so what is going on on that front?

 

[john h]

You don't want to break the bank, but at the same time QB is not the best position to save money on. We have to have a decent signal caller or the season will be toasted again.

amen!

 

[AzCards21]

I can't help but laugh at the irony of Plummer going to Denver and Griese ending up here.

 

[gamebird98]

I suspect that you're right, and what a sad state of affairs that is.

The Shark

Yea....considering the Broncos got rid of him and replaced him with Plummer.

 

[B-Dogg]

Griese actually reminds me alot of another Michigan QB, Tom Brady, he is an accurate passer, doesnt make alot of mistakes, and is intelligent, I think with the receivers we have here that Griese would be a great fit for a Denny's system...JMO

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Have you guys actually watched Griese on a consistent basis, or are you just going off of his stats when you form these opinions? Griese excels when the other 10 guys on offense are playing perfectly. He doesn't elevate anyone's level of play, and panics when he's pressured. Even in '00 when he lead the league in passer rating, he was still only 6-4 as a starter in Denver. Frerotte was 5-1 down the stretch. The offense that season was clicking no matter who was under center.

 

[john h]

I can't help but laugh at the irony of Plummer going to Denver and Griese ending up here.

This gives meaning to the saying "what goes around comes around".

 

[RobbleRobble]

Have you guys actually watched Griese on a consistent basis, or are you just going off of his stats when you form these opinions? Griese excels when the other 10 guys on offense are playing perfectly. He doesn't elevate anyone's level of play, and panics when he's pressured. Even in '00 when he lead the league in passer rating, he was still only 6-4 as a starter in Denver. Frerotte was 5-1 down the stretch. The offense that season was clicking no matter who was under center.

There wasn't much perfect about the Bucs last year. Galloway went down in week 1. His top WR was a rookie. Charlie Garner was supposed to be the starting tailback, but tore his ACL in game 1. Mike Alstott missed a good stretch of the season. Ken Dilger was their starting TE and is on the downside of his career. On and on, and Griese still had a very solid season. Hardly surrounded by "10 guys playing perfectly".

The more I think about it, the more I think that Griese is our guy. Denny wants to win right now, and Griese is the only guy that fits that description that isn't a year or two from retirement. Will he cost us some money? You bet. But I think he's worth it.

 

[fball13]

Maybe our new jerseys should be Blue and Yellow/Gold since we'd have a stable of Michigan QBs...

 

[Matt L]

i honestly think frerrotte would be a better pick up. it seems like he wants to compete and wherever he has stepped in he has usually done a solid job.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Griese and Brady aren't even comparable. One has multiple Pro Bowls and Super Bowls. The other is a career loser who is regarded by Denver fans as inferior to Joke Plummer. Examining these guys (Bledsoe, Garcia, Johnson) is an exercise in futulity because honestly we're going to have to catch lightning in a bottle this offseason in order to acquire a franchise QB because I really doubt Denny drafts one high. Based on recent performances every available QB has major warts so let's just hope either the light comes on for McClown or Navarre (doubtful) or Denny resurrects another career a la Delhomme or Randall.

 

[john h]

He probably is (and thats a telling statement) and he's going to be paid like it. Don't get your hopes up because we aren't going to spend top dollar for QB competition.

IMO the max we'll spend is around $2.5 - 3 million (including signing bonus) per year. With that price range our options will be limited

I do not know just how good Griese is and what he is worth but QB is one position I would not put a low cap on. If you think the QB you have in mind is the real deal you make him the highest paid player on your team if necessary. That is why the QB's are the highest paid players. they more than any other one player control the fourtunes of a team. I would trade all our draft picks for a Tom Brady or Eli Manning and then some.

 

[john h]

as stated before, he doesn't believe in putting major cash out for someone else's player. He thinks that you can't ever know that what you saw last year is what you'll get with your team this year. He wants his own gang in there and that includes draft choices.
If Greise wants the bank, he won't get it here.
I DO think He and j
Josh would be a good push for each other, and for Navarre, it would be a great move for tutelage. Same type of QB mentality.

This sounds like Denny is unlikely to pay what Boldin will want if you are right in the way he thinks.

 

[john h]

This sounds like Denny is unlikely to pay what Boldin will want if you are right in the way he thinks.

All very good players eventually want all the money they can get and it us usually based on last years performance. It is the nature of the game. Denny knows that and will pay accordingly if he wants to get a guy. You cannot live with a team full of mediocre players who are paid with mediocre money. You need (I think) a core of good players to keep around which will cost you some major dollars and probably a good portion of the teams total salary.