Grizzlies Fire Iavaroni

[JS22]

Heh... I don't think Eddie Johnson can coach either. The main thing I wanted was Thibadeou. Sarver didn't want to pay him.

That is actually (somewhat) incorrect. Thibadeou was ready to join the team but D'antoni forced management to hire his brother for another year instead. I honestly believe that Kerr would have preferred to keep D'antoni. Their plan was to hire a defensive assistant but D'antoni refused, as he felt it would undermine him.

But before this season? I'm not sure why they didn't consider him.

 

[carey]

I knew Lopez was going to be a bust.

Same, I called him Jake Voskhul in multiple threads.

I didn't expect Bell's game to deteriorate so quickly either.

Me either. I'm not sure he wasn't just a combination of being injured, unhappy, and in a slump. He seems to be doing alright in CHA.

Nash's talents are being wasted here.

Agree. We know what he can do. We also know that he is NOT a half court point guard. I'm not sure why they want to keep putting a square peg in a round hole just because SA seems to win championships with the round hole version.

Amare IMO is a prima donna with quickly aging knees.

Not sure I agree. Prima donna? Maybe. Aging knees? Probably. I just think he looks out for #1 and is not really the team player this team needs. There's no doubt in my mind he's talented, but (and this is possibly just me) I want more from my professional athletes.

Barbosa has been a nice surprise amidst the turmoil.

Agree totally. I was really worried about him early on but he's come on quite strong. I really feel bad for him.

Diaw?......he hasn't done crap in nearly 3 years.

Agree. I wanted to move Diaw for the past 3 seasons, and am glad he's gone. Once we start using JR correctly I have no doubt he'll be fine.

 

[nowagimp]

IPorter used the words defense and smart basketball and he fooled me.

Sounds like you were easily fooled. Didnt it bother you the comments about taking shots late in the clock to limit easy buckets going the other way? Did the easy opposition buckets get reduced, LOL? Its really a disaster with the suns personnel to wait on the shots in the half court, most of the roster cant create their own shot, and now they get mostly heavily defended shots. Ths suns just dont get many open shots anymore, perhaps except for matt barnes.


I go back to what I said at the time of porters hiring: good defense comes from good defensive players first, coaching second. the suns have fewer good defenders now than when kerr/porter started this mess this year.

 

[nowagimp]

There was absolutely no problem with DA's coaching if exciting basketball with futile results when the games really counted was the goal.
Yeah, i said futile.
We had the perfect talent for those results.
BTW, where you been Gimp?
Oh yeah, the SUNS have begun their tailspin and the blow it up posts are popping up like weeds. LOL
You make me sick.
Keep on shinin' them shoes for the mustache man.

I'll take the mustache man over Kerr(YOUR MAN) any day of the week, so will the vastr majority of NBA fans. You listened to Kerrs commentator simplicity and believed his crap, enjoy! Hopefully next time fans wont be so easily fooled.

 

[mojorizen7]

Hmmm so Kerr is my man because as a fan of the SUNS i trusted his judgment in attempting to change the culture of being playoff pushovers?
Ok.
Just being honest and as a result objective....try it.
Your self absorbed (cyber)arrogance is really ashame.
It's all so clear & complex for you, while for myself & the rest of us we're just too simple minded to grasp it.

I actually think you've got some good basketball knowledge to contribute to this forum, but you've already got it all figured out for us so trying to have a conversation w/you is like drilling for oil with a fist.
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IIRC the SUNS are shooting a league best in FG% and near the top in points scored in the paint, these are positive things...no?
The rebounding has vastly improved from the former regime but has tailed off due to the one dimensional play from Amare who is only willing to score. IMO the poor spacing is there to be had , but Porter's offensive system is all over the place in terms of identity and flow.....and a few guys like Nash in particular aren't wired to function in a more deliberate offensive system(although this system is deliberately a hybrid).

The defense has gone from futile to bad(there's a difference).
There aren't enough defenders on this team i agree.
The turnovers IMO are a product of Porter's inabilities to get this team to properly execute,of implimenting discipline,and Nash's uncanny ability to be able to make all the high difficulty passes while going 100 mph, and his inability to make a simple dump-in pass, a perimeter swing pass, or a high screen & roll pass to anybody not named Amare Stoudemire.
I know that Porter's not the answer, and Kerr has made some questionable decisions but at the very least he(Kerr) recognizes why this team has been a playoff failure the last several years. Is he the GM to rectify that glaring weakness? I don't know but as for myself, i'm just glad that getting better defensively is even being discussed as a franchise.
I'm curious Gimp, do you as a SUNS fan(not a D'Antoni fan) believe that the culture of offensive basketball needed to change here in order to win a title? It's a simple yes or no answer....it has nothing to do with our current owner,GM or roster.

 

[nowagimp]

Hmmm so Kerr is my man because as a fan of the SUNS i trusted his judgment in attempting to change the culture of being playoff pushovers?
Ok.
Just being honest and as a result objective....try it.
Your self absorbed (cyber)arrogance is really ashame.
It's all so clear & complex for you, while for myself & the rest of us we're just too simple minded to grasp it.

I actually think you've got some good basketball knowledge to contribute to this forum, but you've already got it all figured out for us so trying to have a conversation w/you is like drilling for oil with a fist.
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IIRC the SUNS are shooting a league best in FG% and near the top in points scored in the paint, these are positive things...no?
The rebounding has vastly improved from the former regime but has tailed off due to the one dimensional play from Amare who is only willing to score. IMO the poor spacing is there to be had , but Porter's offensive system is all over the place in terms of identity and flow.....and a few guys like Nash in particular aren't wired to function in a more deliberate offensive system(although this system is deliberately a hybrid).

The defense has gone from futile to bad(there's a difference).
There aren't enough defenders on this team i agree.
The turnovers IMO are a product of Porter's inabilities to get this team to properly execute,of implimenting discipline,and Nash's uncanny ability to be able to make all the high difficulty passes while going 100 mph, and his inability to make a simple dump-in pass, a perimeter swing pass, or a high screen & roll pass to anybody not named Amare Stoudemire.
I know that Porter's not the answer, and Kerr has made some questionable decisions but at the very least he(Kerr) recognizes why this team has been a playoff failure the last several years. Is he the GM to rectify that glaring weakness? I don't know but as for myself, i'm just glad that getting better defensively is even being discussed as a franchise.
I'm curious Gimp, do you as a SUNS fan(not a D'Antoni fan) believe that the culture of offensive basketball needed to change here in order to win a title? It's a simple yes or no answer....it has nothing to do with our current owner,GM or roster.

Well the dude was totally inexperienced and green as grass, and you trusted him with the fate of the suns, very sad. I have never trusted a green Gm to do anything. While celebrating the departure of your fav beaatch, the mustache man, you didnt consider the consequences. This team would be better off now with BC at Gm and frank johnson as coach.
Simplicity? You were to simple to grasp that playing the spurs style without TD was a joke, a freaking joke. Its not the style but the players who win. Watching you waffle from its a coaching problem to the players are all bums, has been pathetic. Sometimes you lose to the better team, period. Often the big man is the difference, and the spurs have always een better there, eh? You keep the core together and you can have a very good team with a few pieces as the spurs have done, but you need players that know each other in the crunch. Too bad many suns fans dont even see that the folly of turning over the roster has on the team performance, ughhh, clueless. The suns lead the NBA in To's and points off To's, 27% of ALL possesions end in To's. Your explanation is bad defense. Defense doesnt turn the ball over at the key. IMO the KT/DA teams were better defensively.

 

[mojorizen7]

Well the dude was totally inexperienced and green as grass, and you trusted him with the fate of the suns, very sad. I have never trusted a green Gm to do anything. While celebrating the departure of your fav beaatch, the mustache man, you didnt consider the consequences. This team would be better off now with BC at Gm and frank johnson as coach.
Simplicity? You were to simple to grasp that playing the spurs style without TD was a joke, a freaking joke. Its not the style but the players who win. Watching you waffle from its a coaching problem to the players are all bums, has been pathetic. Sometimes you lose to the better team, period. Often the big man is the difference, and the spurs have always een better there, eh? You keep the core together and you can have a very good team with a few pieces as the spurs have done, but you need players that know each other in the crunch. Too bad many suns fans dont even see that the folly of turning over the roster has on the team performance, ughhh, clueless. the suns l,ead the NBA in To's and points off To's. Your explanation is bad defense. Defense doesnt turn the ball over at the key einstein.

Waffle? Uh no. D'antoni is a great offensive coach.....thats it.
Said it before and i'll say it again because you aren't listening.
Letting DA go was the right thing to do, letting his pedigree of players stay and hiring an inexperienced HC was a mistake.
You can't even answer a simple question, nor step out of your little box of love for the mustache man to hold a conversation w/ me or anyone else.
Bye bye

 

[nowagimp]

Said it before and i'll say it again because you aren't listening.
Letting DA go was the right thing to do, letting his pedigree of players stay and hiring an inexperienced HC was a mistake.

Sorry, you cant separate the decision of getting rid of a good coach without considering the alternative(a very bad one). there are just not enough good coaches to expect you will get a good one once youve cut ties with the old one. Many of you guys also absolved Kerr for his role in taking the team competitiveness into the tank, mainly because you agreed with his lip service philosophy(which he knew would push the right buttons from the many web site discussions).

 

[BC867]

Letting DA go was the right thing to do, letting his pedigree of players stay and hiring an inexperienced HC was a mistake.

In retrospect, it would have taken a heavyweight, egotistical, experienced Coach to undo D'Antoni's country club atmosphere successfully.

Porter couldn't do it. And, because this thread is about Mike Iavaroni, he wouldn't have been able to do it either.

Ironically, only someone we'd love to hate could have pulled it off. There are times you need a good cop and there are times you need a bad cop.

 

[Covert Rain]

Sorry, you cant separate the decision of getting rid of a good coach without considering the alternative(a very bad one). there are just not enough good coaches to expect you will get a good one once youve cut ties with the old one. Many of you guys also absolved Kerr for his role in taking the team competitiveness into the tank, mainly because you agreed with his lip service philosophy(which he knew would push the right buttons from the many web site discussions).

So what. That does not mean you can't get another good one. There were some assistants that might have been able to get it done had they took the chance. There are some available veteran coaches they could have made an offer to as well.

The problem with Sarver is he was not willing to spend the money. Kerr's hands were tied in that respect.