Gut Check time for the Suns...

[AsUdUdE]

I can't believe I am saying this.. but think about this... HONESTLY...

If we don't get Curry/Randolph...Will there be a better deal for Amare ANYWHERE?.. be realistic for a minute, step and back think about this...

Amare is not going to be a Phoenix Sun for very much longer, whether we are forced to trade him, or he walks next year, this whole situation is coming to a head..

So honestly is there a better deal out there that we will get for Amare?

Biedrins- Sold Center who runs the floor and is a rebounding machine, with a manageable contract.
Wright- A young guy who is just 21, and last year averaged 9 PPG with 4 RPG, in 17 minutes.
Belleneli- A sharp shooter who in the Suns system could have a positive impact
Auzubuke- Role player... nothing special
2010 1st round pick UNPROTECTED.. As I see it, 7 teams from the west are a LOCK to make the playoffs next year, and that leaves the Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Thunder, Clippers all vying for the final spot.. an unprotected pick could turn out to be a better than curry anyway next year...

Again, if they are keeping Randolph and Curry, giving us an unprotected 2010 pick is the only other solution, an though they are scum bags, and liars, do we put that aside to make the best deal we can for the team, or do we not deal with them strictly out of principal....

personally, I would rather do the very best deal we can for Amare, and I don't know that there is a better deal than this..

thoughts?

 

[dodie53]

that deal is better than nothing i guess.

all those players can be incoporated in the run n gun system,
and i have a feeling that Azubuike will be special if the suns get him.

 

[carey]

No Randolph, no Curry. No deal. The Suns have said as much already.

 

[JerkFace]

No Randolph, no Curry. No deal. The Suns have said as much already.

They also said they wouldn't dump Shaq in a pure money deal.

 

[SunsTzu]

I'd rather just play out the year with Amare than make a horrible trade like that. I'm willing to bet a better deal comes along by the trade deadline and even if it doesn't there is still a possiblity of a sign and trade when he opt out.

Really the only thing that trade will do is make the pick the Suns gave the Thunder that much more valuable.

 

[Mainstreet]

Really the only thing that trade will do is make the pick the Suns gave the Thunder that much more valuable.

With the Suns luck it will be the first pick in the 2010 draft.

 

[Kolo]

I agree--although Azubuike isn't a role player, he's good enough to be a starter on a playoff team, he's cheap, and he's 25. I hope the deal happens in some form.

Although I don't think Golden State can trade a 1st round pick. They owe the Nets a pick starting in 2011 with protection for a few years, so we can't get a pick while that year on that one is undetermined. Although I could be wrong.

 

[TBaslim]

I disagree with the thread title.

It's gut check time for the Warriors. They are a mediocre team mired forever on the cusp of a playoff spot. Their biggest achievement in the last decade has been to win a first round playoff series. They play in one of the largest cities in the US, have a die-hard loyal fan base, and perpetually field .500 teams.

Potential is a wonderful thing to get enamored with. The draft does that to people. Proven results are another.

The Warriors need Amare far, far more than the Suns need Curry. But by trying to screw the Suns over unrealized potential, this became about principals.

The Suns have their own gut-checks aplenty, but this particular one is all on GS.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I disagree with the thread title.

It's gut check time for the Warriors. They are a mediocre team mired forever on the cusp of a playoff spot. Their biggest achievement in the last decade has been to win a first round playoff series. They play in one of the largest cities in the US, have a die-hard loyal fan base, and perpetually field .500 teams.

Potential is a wonderful thing to get enamored with. The draft does that to people. Proven results are another.

The Warriors need Amare far, far more than the Suns need Curry. But by trying to screw the Suns over unrealized potential, this became about principals.

The Suns have their own gut-checks aplenty, but this particular one is all on GS.

Taking the purple and orange tinted glasses off and looking at it objectively, I would definitely pull the trigger on a Curry/Wright/Biedrins/Bellinelli or Azubuike for Amare deal. You're already committed to Monta Ellis, and with his character concerns, there won't be much of a market for his big contract. The addition of Curry won't bode well for Ellis's already fragile psyche, and you've got a glut at the guard position. A starting five of Ellis/Bellinelli or Azubuike/Jackson/Randolph/STAT is going to rival the Wizards' offensive firepower. You could definitely compete for playoff spot with that, and that team is very young.

 

[Covert Rain]

They also said they wouldn't dump Shaq in a pure money deal.

Not entirely true. Sarver said they wouldn't shed payroll if the team was still a contender. They clearly are not.

 

[JerkFace]

Not entirely true. Sarver said they wouldn't shed payroll if the team was still a contender. They clearly are not.

This isn't the quote I was talking about. This offseason Kerr said that they wouldn't deal Shaq purely for salary relief.

 

[overseascardfan]

I can't believe I am saying this.. but think about this... HONESTLY...

If we don't get Curry/Randolph...Will there be a better deal for Amare ANYWHERE?.. be realistic for a minute, step and back think about this...

Amare is not going to be a Phoenix Sun for very much longer, whether we are forced to trade him, or he walks next year, this whole situation is coming to a head..

So honestly is there a better deal out there that we will get for Amare?

Biedrins- Sold Center who runs the floor and is a rebounding machine, with a manageable contract.
Wright- A young guy who is just 21, and last year averaged 9 PPG with 4 RPG, in 17 minutes.
Belleneli- A sharp shooter who in the Suns system could have a positive impact
Auzubuke- Role player... nothing special
2010 1st round pick UNPROTECTED.. As I see it, 7 teams from the west are a LOCK to make the playoffs next year, and that leaves the Suns, Warriors, Jazz, Thunder, Clippers all vying for the final spot.. an unprotected pick could turn out to be a better than curry anyway next year...

Again, if they are keeping Randolph and Curry, giving us an unprotected 2010 pick is the only other solution, an though they are scum bags, and liars, do we put that aside to make the best deal we can for the team, or do we not deal with them strictly out of principal....

personally, I would rather do the very best deal we can for Amare, and I don't know that there is a better deal than this..

thoughts?

Is this offer something you came up with or did you get it somewhere. As of right now the deall is for Biedrens, Wright & Bellinelli, the Warriors may try to added a piece other than Randolph or Curry but I haven't heard they substituted anyone yet. They may not get a better deal but the GS re-neging means we have to stick to our guns by principle.

 

[JS22]

Auzubuke- Role player... nothing special

Out of curiosity, have you ever watched him play? He's essentially a better version of Raja Bell. Just needs to cut down on his shots a bit. Great hustle player, can hit the 3, solid defender.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Am I the only one who DOESN'T want Curry?

I have wanted Biedrins here for probably 3 years. I wanted the Suns to trade Marion for him. Anyways, I LOVE the idea of Biedrins and getting a bench guy in Belinelli and either Wright or Randolph would be great. If this trade goes down, we have to find a way to get a starting 4. I love the Clark pick and I love Biedrins, so what we would need is an Otis Thorpe type 4, but I don't know who resembles that mold....

 

[Covert Rain]

They also said they wouldn't dump Shaq in a pure money deal.

This isn't the quote I was talking about. This offseason Kerr said that they wouldn't deal Shaq purely for salary relief.

I guess it depends on which quote you heard. I heard both Kerr and Server say repeatedly that they won't trade Shaq or any other player for salary relief as long as the team can contend.

This team could not contend. I would not and do not blame them one bit for trading Shaq and/or Amare and Nash. It doesn't make sense to keep paying this payroll they have if a title is not within site.

 

[JerkFace]

I guess it depends on which quote you heard. I heard both Kerr and Server say repeatedly that they won't trade Shaq or any other player for salary relief as long as the team can contend.

This team could not contend. I would not and do not blame them one bit for trading Shaq and/or Amare and Nash. It doesn't make sense to keep paying this payroll they have if a title is not within site.

I agree with trading Shaq. Part of the reason that this team is in trouble is because of its finances. I would just prefer a little less double talk from management. I understand that they just can come out and tell us everything, but they do have the option of saying nothing as well.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Am I the only one who DOESN'T want Curry?

I have wanted Biedrins here for probably 3 years. I wanted the Suns to trade Marion for him. Anyways, I LOVE the idea of Biedrins and getting a bench guy in Belinelli and either Wright or Randolph would be great. If this trade goes down, we have to find a way to get a starting 4. I love the Clark pick and I love Biedrins, so what we would need is an Otis Thorpe type 4, but I don't know who resembles that mold....

Biedrins is more of a four than he is a center. He's got exceptional hustle and pretty good athleticism, the reason he isn't a dominant defender at the five is because he's not big or strong enough to go one on one with the big bangers. We should pick up a guy like Kaman who can play center, and then slide Biedrins to the four. Now that would be a good lineup.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I hae actually considered something along those lines. In this type of move, Biedrins at the 4 would best be complemented by an Okur type 5. The ideal would be either Divac 8 years ago or Brad Miller 5 years ago. Okur is the best ideal today as might be a Pachulia or another high post 5....

 

[JerkFace]

I hae actually considered something along those lines. In this type of move, Biedrins at the 4 would best be complemented by an Okur type 5. The ideal would be either Divac 8 years ago or Brad Miller 5 years ago. Okur is the best ideal today as might be a Pachulia or another high post 5....

Okur is probably going to opt out of his contract in the summer of 2010. We should have enough to sign him if the front office agrees with you

 

[AsUdUdE]

Out of curiosity, have you ever watched him play? He's essentially a better version of Raja Bell. Just needs to cut down on his shots a bit. Great hustle player, can hit the 3, solid defender.

I had him on my fantasy team this year, and consequently followed him VERY closely...

I think he will be a role player in the Suns Offense, behind JRich, Barbs, Clark and possibly Hill in the rotation of 2/3....

MAybe he proves me completely wrong and we have the ability to trade JRich and he becomes our starting 2, but to me, he seems like a role player, SOLID role player, but not a special player.. thats all...

 

[AsUdUdE]

Is this offer something you came up with or did you get it somewhere. As of right now the deall is for Biedrens, Wright & Bellinelli, the Warriors may try to added a piece other than Randolph or Curry but I haven't heard they substituted anyone yet. They may not get a better deal but the GS re-neging means we have to stick to our guns by principle.

It was a trade that I had heard from Real GM/and a couple Warriors boards that they heard on local radio was possibly being discussed...

take away the 2010 pick because that will be going to NJ this year, so no draft pick...

Without the pick, and including Auzibuke which is a logical move, is THAT trade as good as we could expect for Amare....

 

[TucsonDevil]

I can't believe I am saying this.. but think about this... HONESTLY...

If we don't get Curry/Randolph...Will there be a better deal for Amare ANYWHERE?.. be realistic for a minute, step and back think about this...

Amare is not going to be a Phoenix Sun for very much longer, whether we are forced to trade him, or he walks next year, this whole situation is coming to a head..

So honestly is there a better deal out there that we will get for Amare?

Question... Are you an agent for the Warriors? Because if you're not, you sure are a terrible negotiator and the Warriors are glad you are not in their management.

Question #2... Is your name Steve Kerr?

 

[shazaam6]

It was a trade that I had heard from Real GM/and a couple Warriors boards that they heard on local radio was possibly being discussed...

take away the 2010 pick because that will be going to NJ this year, so no draft pick...

Without the pick, and including Auzibuke which is a logical move, is THAT trade as good as we could expect for Amare....

Not if BC was here.

Kerr has to be allowed to stand his ground sometime or he will never get a good deal for the Suns, ever. Sarver doesn't care right now, he is cutting his losses everywhere and everyone knows it. Impossible situation to negotiate well from. Sarver needs to hire qualified people who are better than he is at what they do, then trust them to do their job or suffer the consequences of lowballing and overpaying then cost cutting and selling below market. Sarver makes Kerr suck in negotiations.

 

[overseascardfan]

It was a trade that I had heard from Real GM/and a couple Warriors boards that they heard on local radio was possibly being discussed...

take away the 2010 pick because that will be going to NJ this year, so no draft pick...

Without the pick, and including Auzibuke which is a logical move, is THAT trade as good as we could expect for Amare....

Unless someone swoops in with a better offer by Wednesday then no there is not a better to be had but I say hold out for either Randolph or Curry, again its the principle that matters.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Question... Are you an agent for the Warriors? Because if you're not, you sure are a terrible negotiator and the Warriors are glad you are not in their management.

Question #2... Is your name Steve Kerr?

No I my name is not Steve Kerr, or an agent for the Warriors, thanks for asking though...

Clearly YOU are not living in the Real World man... It's nice to dream and believe we should get LeBron straight up for Amare, but in reality, there isn't a huge market for him at this moment...

Is this because he isn't talented? ofcourse not, but concerns over health, contract and attitude are all red flags for teams and decrease his trade value...

That is why I made it clear in the orginal post for this thread, that this was reality, not what you as a Suns Fanatic think...

In Reality do you believe there is a better alternative that is realistic for the suns, and if so.. please explain...