Gut Feeling: Cards take Daryl Washington

[kerouac9]

You've actually sold me on Williams. I've seen a lot of coverage on him over the last couple of weeks. The thing that really caught my eye was how well built his lower body is. He needs a little strength up top and I'm still concerned that he plays a little high at times but those things can be fixed.

Clearly he is the best NT prospect in the draft and he is deserving of a 1st round pick. However with several 3-4 teams picking before the Cardinals, I doubt that Williams falls all the way to the Cards a 26. I f he does drop I would have no problem if they took him at 26.

Now let's get to work on you about Terrance Cody.

 

[Buckybird]

this morning -- two themes on Doug/Wolf show:

Daryl Washington again comes up from Wolf (interesting that the two media guys closest the the Cardinals bring up the same name)

Lets hope they are wrong because I would much rather have Spikes than Washington & think the fromer Gator will be a better NFL player.

Let me ask you this: Do the Cards feel pressure to keep that #1 pick because of a big Dday party that they are hyping up with a big announcement today (new alt jersey)? Can you imagine a bunch of fans possibly feeling let down with no pick on day 1? Just a thought.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Now let's get to work on you about Terrance Cody.

Don't push it.

I still think that Cody isn't a 1st round talent.

 

[Monty]

I like both Lee & Washington and have been one of their biggest supporters around here but even i would have to admit that itd be a bit fo a reach taking them at #26. If either of these guys are the best players remaining that we'd want in the first i would expect them to be available in the early part of the second and therefore would hope we'd trade down to those spots. There is no team immediately behind us that would be thinking of taking an ILB as far as i know so i dont see why we couldnt do this.

 

[football karma]

Let me ask you this: Do the Cards feel pressure to keep that #1 pick because of a big Dday party that they are hyping up with a big announcement today (new alt jersey)? Can you imagine a bunch of fans possibly feeling let down with no pick on day 1? Just a thought.

Its why I think the talk from the station that carries their games and employs two of the voices of the Cardinals (Wolf and Calvisi) are talking trade down as a good move.

They are prepping the fans for the possibility of no #1 pick this evening.

 

[BigRedArk]

Clearly he is the best NT prospect in the draft and he is deserving of a 1st round pick. However with several 3-4 teams picking before the Cardinals, I doubt that Williams falls all the way to the Cards a 26. I f he does drop I would have no problem if they took him at 26.

I apologize in advance for hijacking this thread. This is certainly no time to be advocating this but this is the weakness of the 3-4 defensive formation. The NT is so crucial to the success of it and with so many teams now in this formation everyone is after the same postion it seems. Whis himself stated the difficulty of figuring out which guy can play the NT position. It is tricky but crucial.

I know I know the 3-4 allows you to disguise your blitz packages better and if schemed and executed well you really can confuse an opposing Offense as a rul than the 4-3 does. I think however you can still disguise your blitzes and move you DL around in a way that can be just as effective or close to it in the 4-3. I have a vague recollection of us using the 5-2 formation on a limited basis in the 1998 season and being reasonably successful with it.
I guess it comes down to which is easier to find. A NT that can occupy, protect, and free up you inside LB's or a MLB that can pursue and plug the middle of the D? I would say the MLB for a 4-3 is.

 

[kerouac9]

I apologize in advance for hijacking this thread. This is certainly no time to be advocating this but this is the weakness of the 3-4 defensive formation. The NT is so crucial to the success of it and with so many teams now in this formation everyone is after the same postion it seems. Whis himself stated the difficulty of figuring out which guy can play the NT position. It is tricky but crucial.

I know I know the 3-4 allows you to disguise your blitz packages better and if schemed and executed well you really can confuse an opposing Offense as a rul than the 4-3 does. I think however you can still disguise your blitzes and move you DL around in a way that can be just as effective or close to it in the 4-3. I have a vague recollection of us using the 5-2 formation on a limited basis in the 1998 season and being reasonably successful with it.
I guess it comes down to which is easier to find. A NT that can occupy, protect, and free up you inside LB's or a MLB that can pursue and plug the middle of the D? I would say the MLB for a 4-3 is.

It's probably harder to find an elite DE (M. Williams, J. Peppers, D. Freeney) than it is to find a solid NT. That's why so many teams are switching to the 3-4.

NFL teams aren't stupid.

 

[Doug]

Three day draft is too stretched out.I like the Draft starting before noon Central time.

I'm gettin too old to be excited about JUST the first round as an appetizer.

How am I suppose to sleep with ideas and players running through my head?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Come on Williams!

 

[WildBB]

We might move up in the 2nd to target him./

 

[Billy Bob]

Cant wait til tomorrow

 

[TJ]

That gut feeling was just indigestion

Love the Dan Williams pick

 

[DoTheDew]

Maybe he'll be there in the second. Unlikely but I would certainly be stoked.

Washington/Lee in the second or I'll be mildly disappointed.

 

[kerouac9]

That gut feeling was just indigestion

Love the Dan Williams pick

I'm stoked about the Dan Williams pick, as well. Great value. Now we just have to hope he's not Jimmy Kennedy.

But don't think that Daryl Washington almost didn't happen:

With the Falcons taking LB Sean Weatherspoon, I am guessing the Cards are hoping nose tackle Dan Williams falls to them. If he does, I think they grab him. If he doesn’t, keep an eye on TCU LB Daryl Washington. I think the Cards think he fits.

Softening the ground.

 

[Stout]

Notice we took almost our entire alloted time on the clock (while the talking heads went down on Tim Tebow). I think we were guaging offers to trade down, weren't blown away by any of them, and took our big fatty Dan Williams. And I'm glad we did.

 

[Evil Ash]

Notice we took almost our entire alloted time on the clock (while the talking heads went down on Tim Tebow). I think we were guaging offers to trade down, weren't blown away by any of them, and took our big fatty Dan Williams. And I'm glad we did.

That was part of it and I'm sure the NFL wanted the Cards to take their time so that Tebow could get his press.

 

[CaptTurbo]

It's probably harder to find an elite DE (M. Williams, J. Peppers, D. Freeney) than it is to find a solid NT. That's why so many teams are switching to the 3-4.

NFL teams aren't stupid.

Its harder to find an eloite anything than a solid something....

That being said is far harder to find an elite NT than it is an elite DE.

Also 4-3, 3-4 doesnt have an impact on DE. Both formations have 2.

 

[kerouac9]

Its harder to find an eloite anything than a solid something....

That being said is far harder to find an elite NT than it is an elite DE.

Also 4-3, 3-4 doesnt have an impact on DE. Both formations have 2.

Elite NTs: Vince Wilfork, Kelly Gregg, Shaun Rogers, Kris Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, Casey Hampton, Jason Ferguson, Arubyo Franklin.

Elite 4-3 DEs: Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, Jared Allen.

I don't know whether you don't know the responsibilities of position players in the 3-4 defense (if so, check this out: http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html) or if you're being intentionally obtuse. But the 3-4 defense DEs only have to occupy an OG or OT. In a traditional 3-4 defense, they're not expected to offer much at all in the pass rush--that's what the rush linebackers are for.

In a 4-3 defense, your defensive end (especially the LDE) has to be exceptional in the pass rush and run defense. They have to be big enough to take on offensive tackles in the bull rush and stand up to them in run support, while also being fast enough to come around the edge and provide pressure in the passing game. That's why they're so rare--and so valuable.

 

[Pariah]

Elite NTs: Vince Wilfork, Kelly Gregg, Shaun Rogers, Kris Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, Casey Hampton, Jason Ferguson, Arubyo Franklin.

Aren't these guys on the down-side of their career...and far enough into that slide that they're a little to old to be considered to be "elite" anymore? I think so. They're not the dominant forces in the middle they used to be. Even Wilfork is borderline "elite" anymore, I think.

JMHO

 

[MadCardDisease]

Notice we took almost our entire alloted time on the clock (while the talking heads went down on Tim Tebow). I think we were guaging offers to trade down, weren't blown away by any of them, and took our big fatty Dan Williams. And I'm glad we did.

Whiz was on Sirius NFL radio about an hour ago.

He said they received a couple of calls from teams trying to move up to our pick right before we selected Williams. Wasn't any more specific about it though.

 

[Mulli]

How much longer until the draft starts? 2h15m?

 

[Buckybird]

How much longer until the draft starts? 2h15m?

2 hrs

 

[Mitch]

Whiz was on Sirius NFL radio about an hour ago.

He said they received a couple of calls from teams trying to move up to our pick right before we selected Williams. Wasn't any more specific about it though.

There was an article today, MadCard, where the Bills admitted they were trying very hard to trade up into the 20s for a player. At first the speculation was they were trying to snag Tim Tebow...but the Bills coaches denied it was for Tebow, but it was for another player, and the speculation from the Bills' writers was that it was for NT Dan Williams, whom they were considering at #9.

 

[joeshmo]

There was an article today, MadCard, where the Bills admitted they were trying very hard to trade up into the 20s for a player. At first the speculation was they were trying to snag Tim Tebow...but the Bills coaches denied it was for Tebow, but it was for another player, and the speculation from the Bills' writers was that it was for NT Dan Williams, whom they were considering at #9.

Dolphins paper said that the Dolphins really thought they could get him @ #28 and were really disappointing that he wasn't. Odrick was their second choice.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Sooooo K-9 was kinda right??