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Hairston never lived up to his talent, bloodline
 

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Hairston didn't do anything and we are in need of some young pitching so it's a nice deal. Hopefully Quentin can hit like last year now that we have a good chance of getting a playoff spot.
 

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Hairston was supposed to be a 2nd baseman for those of you who remember, and then he just got too strong and awkward. I think he had to of roided. Whatever we need young pitchers who may be able to develop...
 

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i like this move, hairston never did anything, and harleyrider will eat his words about quentin sucking.
 

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i like this move, hairston never did anything, and harleyrider will eat his words about quentin sucking.

Not a chance.

Believe me, I root for ANYBODY wearing a D-Back uniform, I wish only the best for them and cheer for them. I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat, and so far I've been right.

I wish I was wrong. The bottom line is Quentin, Jackson, and Tracy all need to go.

Why management won't pony up the dough to re-sign Byrnes and Hudson is beyond me. It is PAINFULLY obvious the team needs help at one of the corner positions and at right field, but management won't address it.

For a fan it is frustrating.
 

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The bottom line is Quentin, Jackson, and Tracy all need to go.
I agree on Tracy and perhaps Quentin. At least Jackson has some plate discipline. Q gets back and his first at bat he is first-pitch swinging at a high fastball and pops it up! Did he learn nothing?
 

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Not a chance.

Believe me, I root for ANYBODY wearing a D-Back uniform, I wish only the best for them and cheer for them. I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat, and so far I've been right.

I wish I was wrong. The bottom line is Quentin, Jackson, and Tracy all need to go.

Why management won't pony up the dough to re-sign Byrnes and Hudson is beyond me. It is PAINFULLY obvious the team needs help at one of the corner positions and at right field, but management won't address it.

For a fan it is frustrating.

I don't disagree that the team should resign Hudson, Byrnes I am not so sure of, he is a nice fun player to watch but 10 million for a guy who doesn't bring anyone to the park is pretty high for a team that can't afford anything over 65 million.

I also think you are being a bit hasty with wanting them to blow out all their young players after essentailly one season. I think it would be a mistake based on impatience. I am not saying they are untouchable, but it's short sighted to just get them out of here because they didn't exceed the hype in one season. Also you're comment "I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat." Here you sound like you are vested in Quentin's failure. 9/10 minor leaguers will fail, so predicting Q's failure isn't going to hearlded next to the Quatrians of Nostradmas.

I accept that fans like instant results and base everything first impressions. But I think first impressions are vastly overrated.

Let's take Shane Reynolds, he made a nice first impression, but really isn't playing well and now that they have scouting reports on him he strikes out a hell of a lot more than he did when he first came up, but most fans still have in their mind that he is the "real deal" because he started hot, Robbie Hammock, Matt Kata all examples of players who started hot but really weren't as good as their first impression indicated.

Jeff Salazar is the same thing, he made his little catch and now fans think he is some kind of all star. It's a lopsided view of reality. First impressions and beating low expectations will always triumph real talent that struggles with high expectation.

I am sure Fans will probably turn on Justin Upton pretty quick if he doesn't come in and light it up from day one, and want to "get him out of here" it's just sad IMO, because the difference between MLB and AA is pretty striking and it takes time for these guys to find themselves. The other thing is the Diamondbacks cannot afford to just blow young guys out of here after 1 or 2 years to pick up some high priced free agent. They already owe too much money to other high priced free agents from the teal, copper and purple days.
 

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I don't disagree that the team should resign Hudson, Byrnes I am not so sure of, he is a nice fun player to watch but 10 million for a guy who doesn't bring anyone to the park is pretty high for a team that can't afford anything over 65 million.

I also think you are being a bit hasty with wanting them to blow out all their young players after essentailly one season. I think it would be a mistake based on impatience. I am not saying they are untouchable, but it's short sighted to just get them out of here because they didn't exceed the hype in one season. Also you're comment "I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat." Here you sound like you are vested in Quentin's failure. 9/10 minor leaguers will fail, so predicting Q's failure isn't going to hearlded next to the Quatrians of Nostradmas.

I accept that fans like instant results and base everything first impressions. But I think first impressions are vastly overrated.

Let's take Shane Reynolds, he made a nice first impression, but really isn't playing well and now that they have scouting reports on him he strikes out a hell of a lot more than he did when he first came up, but most fans still have in their mind that he is the "real deal" because he started hot, Robbie Hammock, Matt Kata all examples of players who started hot but really weren't as good as their first impression indicated.

Jeff Salazar is the same thing, he made his little catch and now fans think he is some kind of all star. It's a lopsided view of reality. First impressions and beating low expectations will always triumph real talent that struggles with high expectation.

I am sure Fans will probably turn on Justin Upton pretty quick if he doesn't come in and light it up from day one, and want to "get him out of here" it's just sad IMO, because the difference between MLB and AA is pretty striking and it takes time for these guys to find themselves. The other thing is the Diamondbacks cannot afford to just blow young guys out of here after 1 or 2 years to pick up some high priced free agent. They already owe too much money to other high priced free agents from the teal, copper and purple days.

Strong Post.
 

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Not a chance.

Believe me, I root for ANYBODY wearing a D-Back uniform, I wish only the best for them and cheer for them. I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat, and so far I've been right.

I wish I was wrong. The bottom line is Quentin, Jackson, and Tracy all need to go.

Why management won't pony up the dough to re-sign Byrnes and Hudson is beyond me. It is PAINFULLY obvious the team needs help at one of the corner positions and at right field, but management won't address it.

For a fan it is frustrating.

I am not saying that eventually you will not be proven right but why not include Drew in that group? His struggles have been well documented too but I can assume from you sig that you don't have the same predispostions to dump as you do the other guys.
 

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I don't disagree that the team should resign Hudson, Byrnes I am not so sure of, he is a nice fun player to watch but 10 million for a guy who doesn't bring anyone to the park is pretty high for a team that can't afford anything over 65 million.

I also think you are being a bit hasty with wanting them to blow out all their young players after essentailly one season. I think it would be a mistake based on impatience. I am not saying they are untouchable, but it's short sighted to just get them out of here because they didn't exceed the hype in one season. Also you're comment "I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat." Here you sound like you are vested in Quentin's failure. 9/10 minor leaguers will fail, so predicting Q's failure isn't going to hearlded next to the Quatrians of Nostradmas.

I accept that fans like instant results and base everything first impressions. But I think first impressions are vastly overrated.

Let's take Shane Reynolds, he made a nice first impression, but really isn't playing well and now that they have scouting reports on him he strikes out a hell of a lot more than he did when he first came up, but most fans still have in their mind that he is the "real deal" because he started hot, Robbie Hammock, Matt Kata all examples of players who started hot but really weren't as good as their first impression indicated.

Jeff Salazar is the same thing, he made his little catch and now fans think he is some kind of all star. It's a lopsided view of reality. First impressions and beating low expectations will always triumph real talent that struggles with high expectation.

I am sure Fans will probably turn on Justin Upton pretty quick if he doesn't come in and light it up from day one, and want to "get him out of here" it's just sad IMO, because the difference between MLB and AA is pretty striking and it takes time for these guys to find themselves. The other thing is the Diamondbacks cannot afford to just blow young guys out of here after 1 or 2 years to pick up some high priced free agent. They already owe too much money to other high priced free agents from the teal, copper and purple days.


I agree with you on nearly all of this, although I wouldn't be objected to trading Quentin and either Jackson or Tracy. But I would only trade Quentin if they could get a long term deal done with Byrnes. The only scary thing about trading Quentin right now is his trade value is lower than its ever been and I think he has more upside than everyone in the organization aside from Upton and Young. As for Jackson and Tracy, it'd be stupid to trade both like one poster said, but to trade one of them would be good. Preferably Jackson because of Tracy's versatilty to play either corner infield position and give us some insurance if Reynolds doesnt turn out to be as good as we had hoped or injury.

As for resigning Hudson and Byrnes, I think we need to lock one of them up. At first when I heard we cut off negotiation with Byrnes, I was alright with it because there was no room for him and we couldnt afford to pay him $10 mil a year. But the last week or so Ive started to realize how importnat he is to this team. And with the contracts given to Matthews Jr and Pierre, the contract he wants doesnt seem unreasonable. A 25 HR, 40 stolen base, .300 hitter with great intangibles deserves that kind of money. And again, some move would have to be made in order to resign Byrnes. But Im starting to think itd be worth it to cut ties with Carlos Gonzales or Quentin in order to keep Byrnes. And its not like you wont get anything back for either of them, we'd probably get back a good young pitcher who could help fill the void left by Hernandez and maybe Johnson.

As for Hudson, he still has another year so I think we can afford to wait and see. If we dont trade Jackson or Tracy and we still have a logjam there, then Reynolds could slide over and play 2nd if need be. Emilio Bonaficio, who I guess steals a lot of bases but thats all I know about him, is supposed to be a pretty decent 2nd baseman. So I think even if we don't decide to lock Hudson up long term, we have options to replace him. But if we lose both Hudson and Byrnes then we have to pick up some veteran and Im sure we could still keep that coveted "youngest team in baseball" tag that management seems to love to have (Randy Johnson signing aside). With that said, itd be logical just to skip that process and resign one of our own at perhaps a hometown discount.
 

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I am not saying that eventually you will not be proven right but why not include Drew in that group? His struggles have been well documented too but I can assume from you sig that you don't have the same predispostions to dump as you do the other guys.

The only reason I didn't include Drew is because I see more potential in Drew than I do Quentin. Just my opinion. Drew has a beautiful, effortless swing (and some horrible luck this year as far as where the hits have gone). I think he still has the ability to become a pretty good major league shortstop.

Quentin, on the other hand just isn't big league capable. Again, just my opinion.

Tracy has peaked (i.e. we've seen all he's ever going to be) and Jackson's mental lapses are something I don't see going away ever.
 

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I agree with you on nearly all of this, although I wouldn't be objected to trading Quentin and either Jackson or Tracy. But I would only trade Quentin if they could get a long term deal done with Byrnes. The only scary thing about trading Quentin right now is his trade value is lower than its ever been and I think he has more upside than everyone in the organization aside from Upton and Young. As for Jackson and Tracy, it'd be stupid to trade both like one poster said, but to trade one of them would be good. Preferably Jackson because of Tracy's versatilty to play either corner infield position and give us some insurance if Reynolds doesnt turn out to be as good as we had hoped or injury.

As for resigning Hudson and Byrnes, I think we need to lock one of them up. At first when I heard we cut off negotiation with Byrnes, I was alright with it because there was no room for him and we couldnt afford to pay him $10 mil a year. But the last week or so Ive started to realize how importnat he is to this team. And with the contracts given to Matthews Jr and Pierre, the contract he wants doesnt seem unreasonable. A 25 HR, 40 stolen base, .300 hitter with great intangibles deserves that kind of money. And again, some move would have to be made in order to resign Byrnes. But Im starting to think itd be worth it to cut ties with Carlos Gonzales or Quentin in order to keep Byrnes. And its not like you wont get anything back for either of them, we'd probably get back a good young pitcher who could help fill the void left by Hernandez and maybe Johnson.

As for Hudson, he still has another year so I think we can afford to wait and see. If we dont trade Jackson or Tracy and we still have a logjam there, then Reynolds could slide over and play 2nd if need be. Emilio Bonaficio, who I guess steals a lot of bases but thats all I know about him, is supposed to be a pretty decent 2nd baseman. So I think even if we don't decide to lock Hudson up long term, we have options to replace him. But if we lose both Hudson and Byrnes then we have to pick up some veteran and Im sure we could still keep that coveted "youngest team in baseball" tag that management seems to love to have (Randy Johnson signing aside). With that said, itd be logical just to skip that process and resign one of our own at perhaps a hometown discount.

Exactly...let me say this first I love Byrnes, I love Hudson too. I want the Dbacks to get the deal done but not at the expense handicapping themselves once some of these kids start to take off. Take Chris Young, this kid is going to be a player he already runs the outfield like Devon White did and now is comming into his own at the plate. Think about it, if you wait just two more years he could be an All Star caliber player. Today he has flaws but he is still growing, I for one an impressed and want to be in position to lock kids like this up when they arew hitting their stride...so will a big deal for Byrnes hammper this???

My other point is, if you trade Q then fine but get something damn good for him, do not trade him to trade because he struggled for 1 year, that type of philosophy will come back to bite you in thew ass more times than not.
 

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Scott hit a 3-run homer in the 8th and then a walk-off homer in extra innings last night to lead the Padres over the Giants.
 

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Scott hit a 3-run homer in the 8th and then a walk-off homer in extra innings last night to lead the Padres over the Giants.

I don't want him to keep winning games for the Pods but I'm happy to see him do well. Go Tucson kids. ;)
 

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Hairston just hit his third homer in two days as he connected in the first inning.
 

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he hit as many homeruns in 14 ABs with the padres as he hit in 170 with us.... thanks hairston for showing you give a crap.
 

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Interesting to go back and read these threads? Trade Quentin and Jackson!! Resign Byrnes!! (laughing)
 

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Not a chance.

Believe me, I root for ANYBODY wearing a D-Back uniform, I wish only the best for them and cheer for them. I stated along time ago that Quentin would never amount to squat, and so far I've been right.

I wish I was wrong. The bottom line is Quentin, Jackson, and Tracy all need to go.

Why management won't pony up the dough to re-sign Byrnes and Hudson is beyond me. It is PAINFULLY obvious the team needs help at one of the corner positions and at right field, but management won't address it.

For a fan it is frustrating.

Congratulations, you have been hired as assistant general manager of the Arizona Diamondbacks and their director of scouting. :)
 

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