Harbaugh and 49ers both atop each others wish list apparently

[Arizona's Finest]

AdamSchefter
RT @mortreport: Filed to ESPN: Dolphins owner Steve Ross has traveled west to make an urgent pitch to Jim Harbaugh to become their next HC.

That would lead me to believe he is closer to taking the 49ers job then ever.

 

[O]

That would lead me to believe he is closer to taking the 49ers job then ever.

Bidding war!

 

[red desert]

I know your just "keeping it real" but honest question.

Why are you even a fan of this team? Why are you on this board posting?

If you honestly feel that way, I don't get why you put up with it and just don't leave and go pick up reading novels or croquet or something.

I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness. I just don't see what kind of pleasure you derive from following this team if you feel that way.

Became a fan in 1974. What were you doing back then? Were you a fan? I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness, just wondering? In case you weren't, here's how it went down for me. Since you did ask.

Back then, in those pre-cable days, I was pretty much only able to catch them on the tube when they played the cowboys. It really was an event. Watching the games on my parents little 12-inch black and white tv.

Watching chubby Jim Hart toss beautiful dove-like 50 yard passes to Mel Grey for touchdowns. Watching Jim Otis pound the rock for much needed first downs. Watching Terry Metcalf do just about everything else. And NOT Watching Roger Finnie, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young and Dan Dierdorf becuase they were so damn good you hardly heard their name mentioned.

Then there was J.V. Cain, God rest his soul, who gave us the best years of his short life.

On defense, Roger Wherli, always defending their best reciever. That number 22 never looked like much of player, physique-wise, and although he did have speed and other physical talents, he was smart. Heck of a smart player. I remember Mike Dawson, DT, first round pick I think. ASU guy as I recall.

I remember thinking Busch stadium was an honest to goodness Castle and Cathedral all at once. These guys wearing those beautiful red birds on their helmets were giving me respite from my 7 sisters and 2 brothers who always seemed to crowd me out of our humble adobe home. But on those sunday afternoons when CBS would show those Cardinal games, life was grand.

Ah... those were the days.

Then came the 80's... would you like me to talk about that decade in its entirety? I can.

How about the 90s?

Or this past decade where I spent perhaps the greatest weekend of my life in Tampa watching my Cardinals come within a hair of winning the super bowl? I cried. Not when we lost, but when Warner hit Fitz for the go ahead TD. As did every grown man in the general vicinity wearing a Cardinals Jersey. I suspect most of them flashing back to a point their childhood where they watched the games on their own version of my 12-inch black and white TV.

Then again, maybe its just the fact that dropping some 5,000 + dollars for 6 season tickets and getting this sort of product - just outright pisses me off!

But if I'm somehow missing the point about what this board is about, or offend you in some other way, well, guess don't know what else to say.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Red Desert, you had it good man. I had to use tin foil for an antenna on my 12" tv

 

[CtCardinals78]

Dude may or may not be the real deal, but here's my take:

- San Fran, for all its current shortcomings as an organization, is still a heck of lot better than Arizona. It just is.

- Should they sign Harbaugh, they actually have the talent already on the roster where they could afford to trade their entire draft to Carolina for the rights to draft the incomparable Andrew Luck and have success next year. Don't think that can't happen. Think about how good SF would be in the coming decade if this occurred?

- More importantly, they probably have the moxie to make that sort of move. I am certain the Cardinals organization doesn't. Instead, we are talking about Bulger? How many of you think that's NOT going to happen? Scary, huh?

- Much of the hate that is tossed out on this board at other organizations and players should really be tossed out at the Cardinals organization

but that's just me. I'm just a hater.

Damn, it's only January 5th and we already got the post of the year. That is fantastic stuff. I was going to post the same thing about trading away draft and they would be fine. A Luck/Harbaugh combo in the Bay area would be a bad combination for the NFC West. The 9ers have the most talented roster in the NFC West but just lack coaching and a QB. Harbaugh and Luck would provide both.

 

[Cardiac]

Became a fan in 1974. What were you doing back then? Were you a fan? I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness, just wondering? In case you weren't, here's how it went down for me. Since you did ask.

Back then, in those pre-cable days, I was pretty much only able to catch them on the tube when they played the cowboys. It really was an event. Watching the games on my parents little 12-inch black and white tv.

Watching chubby Jim Hart toss beautiful dove-like 50 yard passes to Mel Grey for touchdowns. Watching Jim Otis pound the rock for much needed first downs. Watching Terry Metcalf do just about everything else. And NOT Watching Roger Finnie, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young and Dan Dierdorf becuase they were so damn good you hardly heard their name mentioned.

Then there was J.V. Cain, God rest his soul, who gave us the best years of his short life.

On defense, Roger Wherli, always defending their best reciever. That number 22 never looked like much of player, physique-wise, and although he did have speed and other physical talents, he was smart. Heck of a smart player. I remember Mike Dawson, DT, first round pick I think. ASU guy as I recall.

I remember thinking Busch stadium was an honest to goodness Castle and Cathedral all at once. These guys wearing those beautiful red birds on their helmets were giving me respite from my 7 sisters and 2 brothers who always seemed to crowd me out of our humble adobe home. But on those sunday afternoons when CBS would show those Cardinal games, life was grand.

Ah... those were the days.

Then came the 80's... would you like me to talk about that decade in its entirety? I can.

How about the 90s?

Or this past decade where I spent perhaps the greatest weekend of my life in Tampa watching my Cardinals come within a hair of winning the super bowl? I cried. Not when we lost, but when Warner hit Fitz for the go ahead TD. As did every grown man in the general vicinity wearing a Cardinals Jersey. I suspect most of them flashing back to a point their childhood where they watched the games on their own version of my 12-inch black and white TV.

Then again, maybe its just the fact that dropping some 5,000 + dollars for 6 season tickets and getting this sort of product - just outright pisses me off!

But if I'm somehow missing the point about what this board is about, or offend you in some other way, well, guess don't know what else to say.

Great Post.

You brought back some great memories. I would add Jackie Smith, Larry Stallings and Mark Arnenson (sp).

While I thought your initial post was a bit negative it came across more as venting then anything.

We do have several posters who have gone off the reservation after this season and the truly ugly negative stuff puts some of us on guard at times.

 

[Southpaw]

Who made him the next Einstein???? Just remember you can count on one hand over the years how many guys came straight out of college and became top gun HC's....Bobby Petrino was the last genius I can remember. Harbaugh is a hothead and lets see how that plays out in the NFL from a guy without a ring on his finger.

Huh?

 

[Southpaw]

Miami Dolphins putting on a full-court press for Jim Harbaugh

BTW


http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/06/2002759/daily-evaluation-continues-on.html



Report: Miami Dolphins putting on a full-court press for Jim Harbaugh

According to an ESPN report, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross went to California on Wednesday night to try and lure Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.




By JEFF DARLINGTON
[email protected]

In an attempt to make a late push to hire Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross took a plane to the West Coast on Wednesday night to meet with coach Tony Sparano's potential replacement, ESPN reported late Wednesday night.

Sparano is still the coach of the team and has not yet been fired.

The Miami Herald could not yet confirm ESPN's report, but Ross' private jet was en route from New York to an airport 21.9 miles away from Harbaugh's home address at the time when ESPN reported the news.

Ross typically spends the week in New York, where he holds his main offices.

The network reported that Ross was joined by general manager Jeff Ireland and former NFL general manager Carl Peterson, a close friend of Ross'. The owner is willing to make Harbaugh the league's highest-paid coach, which would mean a deal could be worth $7 to $8 million........


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/06/2002759/daily-evaluation-continues-on.html#ixzz1AGGFAH9Y[/QUOTE]

 

[joeshmo]

Dude may or may not be the real deal, but here's my take:

- San Fran, for all its current shortcomings as an organization, is still a heck of lot better than Arizona. It just is.

You still stuck in the DeBartolo years or the 29 year old York years?

I would like to here your list of reasons why you think the hot head York makes them a HECK OF A LOT BETTER. Is it because of their coaching hires, their handling of QB situations, their record over the last 4 years, their last playoff appearance since 2002???

Not going to pretend that that Cards are even in the top 3/4's of the NFL organizationally speaking but the Niners Organization with the Yorks running it is right next to them, without a doubt. Both teams are teams at a cross roads, one trying to find its identity with a 29 year old running things for the first time, and the other dealing with adversity for the first time since Mikey took over.

I know you are angry about the Cards right now, and you should be, I bought season tickets after a 3 year layoff this season after scrounging some extra coin and I to am pissed after some glaring mishandling of a lot of things.

 

[Mulli]

1) 29 year old Team President
2) First time GM
3) (potential) Jim Harbaugh comes in with no NFL coaching experience and he is going to have personnel responsibilities?



:championship:

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Became a fan in 1974. What were you doing back then? Were you a fan? I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness, just wondering? In case you weren't, here's how it went down for me. Since you did ask.

Back then, in those pre-cable days, I was pretty much only able to catch them on the tube when they played the cowboys. It really was an event. Watching the games on my parents little 12-inch black and white tv.

Watching chubby Jim Hart toss beautiful dove-like 50 yard passes to Mel Grey for touchdowns. Watching Jim Otis pound the rock for much needed first downs. Watching Terry Metcalf do just about everything else. And NOT Watching Roger Finnie, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young and Dan Dierdorf becuase they were so damn good you hardly heard their name mentioned.

Then there was J.V. Cain, God rest his soul, who gave us the best years of his short life.

On defense, Roger Wherli, always defending their best reciever. That number 22 never looked like much of player, physique-wise, and although he did have speed and other physical talents, he was smart. Heck of a smart player. I remember Mike Dawson, DT, first round pick I think. ASU guy as I recall.

I remember thinking Busch stadium was an honest to goodness Castle and Cathedral all at once. These guys wearing those beautiful red birds on their helmets were giving me respite from my 7 sisters and 2 brothers who always seemed to crowd me out of our humble adobe home. But on those sunday afternoons when CBS would show those Cardinal games, life was grand.

Ah... those were the days.

Then came the 80's... would you like me to talk about that decade in its entirety? I can.

How about the 90s?

Or this past decade where I spent perhaps the greatest weekend of my life in Tampa watching my Cardinals come within a hair of winning the super bowl? I cried. Not when we lost, but when Warner hit Fitz for the go ahead TD. As did every grown man in the general vicinity wearing a Cardinals Jersey. I suspect most of them flashing back to a point their childhood where they watched the games on their own version of my 12-inch black and white TV.

Then again, maybe its just the fact that dropping some 5,000 + dollars for 6 season tickets and getting this sort of product - just outright pisses me off!

But if I'm somehow missing the point about what this board is about, or offend you in some other way, well, guess don't know what else to say.

I was born in 1981 and moved to Arizona in 1991 when I started becoming a fan then. Does tenure make you or more less a fan? I am pretty sure if you ask me in 20 years, Ill be able to reminisce about the days of Eric Swann, Jeff Blake, and Tom Tupa and still be a die hard fan.

My question is if you think the organziation is so inept, and doomed for failure, and are willing to rail on them and go as far as to say we are sitting behind our worthless rival who hasn't won s--- in 10 years and has JUST AS DYSFUNCTIONAL franchise as presently constituted..... then where is the enjoyment you get out of this.

I am pretty sure as a consumer of anything (a car, a grocery store, a retail store) and you despised an organization and felt they were so stupid and there was no hope of them getting better (as you adddressed in your post).....wouldn't you stop shopping there at some point?

I guess I think there is a difference between being cynical and pessimisstic, and just down right having venom and bile for a sports team. As a fan of the team who recognizes the good (and mostly bad) this franchise has gone through, It almost angers me that you call yourself a fan and claim to love the team. Its as if I had a little brother who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and you just told me he wasn't ever going to amount to anything. Sure you maybe right....but thats my brother your talking about still.

This is America. As a consumer you show your disgust with your dollar. Whats the point of pissing and moaning about something you don't see getting any better....and continuing to call yourself a fan?

Just because you have done something for a long time, doesn't mean you should keep doing it.....maybe you should pick another team that you have more faith in???

Just sayin...

 

[Southpaw]

so,...if it is already all over the news that he wants the job,....and the team wants him,.......which black coach do ya think will take the free weekend trip to San Francisco so they can satisfy the rooney rule?

IIRC Ray Sherman is the nominee.

 

[Mulli]

so,...if it is already all over the news that he wants the job,....and the team wants him,.......which black coach do ya think will take the free weekend trip to San Francisco so they can satisfy the rooney rule?

Hue Jackson already interviewed.

 

[Southpaw]

1) 29 year old Team President
2) First time GM
3) (potential) Jim Harbaugh comes in with no NFL coaching experience and he is going to have personnel responsibilities?



:championship:

Harbaugh was a QB in the NFL for 14 years. I would like to think that would qualify as NFL experience.

 

[Mulli]

Harbaugh was a QB in the NFL for 14 years. I would like to think that would qualify as NFL experience.

It is experience playing QB in the NFL. Not "NFL coaching experience" and not experience both coaching and "buying groceries"

 

[football karma]

- San Fran, for all its current shortcomings as an organization, is still a heck of lot better than Arizona. It just is.

not to take the thread off track-- why do you think that is?

I would accept parity, but I find the idea that SF is "a heck of a lot better" hard to support.

Sf has dysfunctional ownership -- going through 3 coaches in 6 years and 3 GMs

they play in a dump of a stadium with the prospect of a new stadium uncertain

state taxes alone suggest that your income goes up 5% in Arizona relative to California

Tradition? Sure -- but the reality is that about all the current ownership has in common with those 49er teams that won Superbowls is the color of the jerseys.

 

[Renz]

Renz, what part of do everything possible didn't you understand? I never said they will get him...but if Harbaugh goes to SF, you really don't think he will do every he possibly can to aquire him? Harbaugh has stated he's the best QB he has ever seen & the Niners need one to be a legit winner.

I don't care if they sacrifice a goat to Beelzebub. SF isn't getting Luck away from Carolina. Period. So why worry about it?

I also heard that the Cardinals are going to do everything possible to get Tom Brady.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

state taxes alone suggest that your income goes up 5% in Arizona relative to California

Plus roughly half the cost of living. We should never lose FA's to San Francisco salary being equal.

 

[desertdawg]

I was born in 1981 and moved to Arizona in 1991 when I started becoming a fan then. Does tenure make you or more less a fan? I am pretty sure if you ask me in 20 years, Ill be able to reminisce about the days of Eric Swann, Jeff Blake, and Tom Tupa and still be a die hard fan.

My question is if you think the organziation is so inept, and doomed for failure, and are willing to rail on them and go as far as to say we are sitting behind our worthless rival who hasn't won s--- in 10 years and has JUST AS DYSFUNCTIONAL franchise as presently constituted..... then where is the enjoyment you get out of this.

I am pretty sure as a consumer of anything (a car, a grocery store, a retail store) and you despised an organization and felt they were so stupid and there was no hope of them getting better (as you adddressed in your post).....wouldn't you stop shopping there at some point?

I guess I think there is a difference between being cynical and pessimisstic, and just down right having venom and bile for a sports team. As a fan of the team who recognizes the good (and mostly bad) this franchise has gone through, It almost angers me that you call yourself a fan and claim to love the team. Its as if I had a little brother who wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and you just told me he wasn't ever going to amount to anything. Sure you maybe right....but thats my brother your talking about still.

This is America. As a consumer you show your disgust with your dollar. Whats the point of pissing and moaning about something you don't see getting any better....and continuing to call yourself a fan?

Just because you have done something for a long time, doesn't mean you should keep doing it.....maybe you should pick another team that you have more faith in???

Just sayin...

I wasn't even born till "74".
I'm sure RedDesert will tell you the same thing a lot of folks would...
He still watches because he is still alive silly.

 

[Rats]

Became a fan in 1974. What were you doing back then? Were you a fan? I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness, just wondering? In case you weren't, here's how it went down for me. Since you did ask.

Back then, in those pre-cable days, I was pretty much only able to catch them on the tube when they played the cowboys. It really was an event. Watching the games on my parents little 12-inch black and white tv.

Watching chubby Jim Hart toss beautiful dove-like 50 yard passes to Mel Grey for touchdowns. Watching Jim Otis pound the rock for much needed first downs. Watching Terry Metcalf do just about everything else. And NOT Watching Roger Finnie, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young and Dan Dierdorf becuase they were so damn good you hardly heard their name mentioned.

Then there was J.V. Cain, God rest his soul, who gave us the best years of his short life.

On defense, Roger Wherli, always defending their best reciever. That number 22 never looked like much of player, physique-wise, and although he did have speed and other physical talents, he was smart. Heck of a smart player. I remember Mike Dawson, DT, first round pick I think. ASU guy as I recall.

I remember thinking Busch stadium was an honest to goodness Castle and Cathedral all at once. These guys wearing those beautiful red birds on their helmets were giving me respite from my 7 sisters and 2 brothers who always seemed to crowd me out of our humble adobe home. But on those sunday afternoons when CBS would show those Cardinal games, life was grand.

Ah... those were the days.

Then came the 80's... would you like me to talk about that decade in its entirety? I can.

How about the 90s?

Or this past decade where I spent perhaps the greatest weekend of my life in Tampa watching my Cardinals come within a hair of winning the super bowl? I cried. Not when we lost, but when Warner hit Fitz for the go ahead TD. As did every grown man in the general vicinity wearing a Cardinals Jersey. I suspect most of them flashing back to a point their childhood where they watched the games on their own version of my 12-inch black and white TV.

Then again, maybe its just the fact that dropping some 5,000 + dollars for 6 season tickets and getting this sort of product - just outright pisses me off!

But if I'm somehow missing the point about what this board is about, or offend you in some other way, well, guess don't know what else to say.

Perfectly stated, you have earned the right as a 40 year fan to say what ever the hell you want to. You have gone thru all of the bad and very little of the good...even though it was sweet....with this team. You put your money where your mouth is. You do not have to justify why your a fan of the team. It is obvious. Who gives a rip if some no it all in Florida or anywhere els gets "almost angry" because your still a fan like many of us. Well played sir.

 

[Russ Smith]

My take, nobody is a guarantee to win in the NFL, the best coach of the last decade was a complete failure in Cleveland, coaches are only as good as the system around them and the players.

That said, Harbaugh is not exactly inexperienced, first off his dad was a coach so he grew up living and breathing football. He played in the NFL, he's also the type of player that becomes a good coach, great players usually suck as coaches they tend to get by on talent and don't have to understand the game(except at QB) but Harbaugh wasn't great, he had to work hard and learn the game to succeed.

He's also been coaching since 1994, he spent 7 years as a volunteer assistant at Western Kentucky, yes he was coaching while he was still playing in the NFL.

Actual NFL experience 2 years with the Raiders as QB coach. Then he coached San Diego 04-06, a non scholarship school and he improved them. Then he took over Stanford after Teevens and Walt Harris had left a decimated program with a fan base that had a lot of people saying hey the players graduate why do we fire the coach, aren't we Stanford?

First year they go from 1-11 to 4-8, including a 24-23 upset of USC that was one of the biggest upsets in college football modern history(they were like 40 point underdogs playing without their starting QB). He also beat a very good Cal team that year, he was beating teams with significantly more talent than he had because he outcoached them.

Next year Stanford goes 5-7 which included 2 last second road losses(UCLA and a very good Oregon team). Stanford had Luck redshirting that year so they had the 2nd most rushing yards in school history behind Toby Gerhart etc. When Harbaugh arrived at Stanford Gerhart was so disenchanted with the program he said he actually considered quitting football to focus on baseball, Harbaugh re-energized him and he's now in the NFL.

Next year Luck's first year playing 8-5 2nd in the Pac10 and a bowl berth and then we all saw this year.

Why did he have losing records his first 2 years? ARe you kidding me, did you see Stanford under Teevens and Harris? They were 10-23 in 3 years under Teevens, and 6-17 under Harris, that's a 5 year record of 16 and 40, do you really think there was a lot of talent on a 1-11 club that had been losing the last 5 years and had been in decline under the prior coach(willingham)?

He inherited Gerhart but that was about it. The core of the team the last 2 years were guys Harbaugh recruited, and Gerhart. They lose a Heisman candidate to the NFL and improved dramatically this year without him.

I have no idea if he's going to win or not, depends which job he takes, does he have a good GM, will they let him do it his way etc.But if he fails it won't be because he is inexperienced, there's a pretty good pedigree of coaches from Stanford excelling in the NFL and the reason why is that to do any good at Stanford you have to REALLY know the game because you're not going to just out talent people the way USC did for years or the way Oregon does now. You can't get that kind of talent because of the academics.

I have no idea how he'll fare in the NFL but if he fails it will probably be because he picked the wrong situation.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Became a fan in 1974. What were you doing back then? Were you a fan? I don't say that with a trace of snarkiness, just wondering? In case you weren't, here's how it went down for me. Since you did ask.

Back then, in those pre-cable days, I was pretty much only able to catch them on the tube when they played the cowboys. It really was an event. Watching the games on my parents little 12-inch black and white tv.

Watching chubby Jim Hart toss beautiful dove-like 50 yard passes to Mel Grey for touchdowns. Watching Jim Otis pound the rock for much needed first downs. Watching Terry Metcalf do just about everything else. And NOT Watching Roger Finnie, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young and Dan Dierdorf becuase they were so damn good you hardly heard their name mentioned.

Then there was J.V. Cain, God rest his soul, who gave us the best years of his short life.

On defense, Roger Wherli, always defending their best reciever. That number 22 never looked like much of player, physique-wise, and although he did have speed and other physical talents, he was smart. Heck of a smart player. I remember Mike Dawson, DT, first round pick I think. ASU guy as I recall.

I remember thinking Busch stadium was an honest to goodness Castle and Cathedral all at once. These guys wearing those beautiful red birds on their helmets were giving me respite from my 7 sisters and 2 brothers who always seemed to crowd me out of our humble adobe home. But on those sunday afternoons when CBS would show those Cardinal games, life was grand.

Ah... those were the days.

Then came the 80's... would you like me to talk about that decade in its entirety? I can.

How about the 90s?

Or this past decade where I spent perhaps the greatest weekend of my life in Tampa watching my Cardinals come within a hair of winning the super bowl? I cried. Not when we lost, but when Warner hit Fitz for the go ahead TD. As did every grown man in the general vicinity wearing a Cardinals Jersey. I suspect most of them flashing back to a point their childhood where they watched the games on their own version of my 12-inch black and white TV.

Then again, maybe its just the fact that dropping some 5,000 + dollars for 6 season tickets and getting this sort of product - just outright pisses me off!

But if I'm somehow missing the point about what this board is about, or offend you in some other way, well, guess don't know what else to say.

 

[red desert]

Great Post.

You brought back some great memories. I would add Jackie Smith, Larry Stallings and Mark Arnenson (sp).

While I thought your initial post was a bit negative it came across more as venting then anything.

We do have several posters who have gone off the reservation after this season and the truly ugly negative stuff puts some of us on guard at times.

It really was nothing more than that. Really, this is a message board, what else could it be.

How about this one, Wayne Morris? Hightower kinda reminds me of him. Especially coming out of the backfield.

 

[red desert]

Perfectly stated, you have earned the right as a 40 year fan to say what ever the hell you want to. You have gone thru all of the bad and very little of the good...even though it was sweet....with this team. You put your money where your mouth is. You do not have to justify why your a fan of the team. It is obvious. Who gives a rip if some no it all in Florida or anywhere els gets "almost angry" because your still a fan like many of us. Well played sir.

Thank you. A raccoon thumps in honor of your rodent name. Is a raccoon a rodent? Or a weasel? Or simply a mammmal? Not sure.

 

[red desert]

I wasn't even born till "74".
I'm sure RedDesert will tell you the same thing a lot of folks would...
He still watches because he is still alive silly.

Thankfully.