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[Shane]

Some of you are claiming that during McCowns 13 for 13 streak he was not looking downfield and that all the throws were just short easy passes. That is so not true.

I just rewatched the game and charted the plays and passes during the streak. they are as follows:

2nd: 7:14 remaining a 8 yarder pass to FJ.

2nd: 6:00 remaining a 8 yarder to Williams.

2nd: 5:30 remaining a 7 yarder to Fitz

2nd: 4:20 remaining 5 yarder to Diamond

3rd: 12:08 remaining 20 yarder to Johnson

3rd: 11:04 remaining 34 yarder to Williams

3rd: 1:41 remaining 18 yarder to Poole

3rd: :51 remaining 7 yarder to Williams

4th: 14:20 remaining 11 yarder to Johnson

4th: 13:55 remaining 6 yarder to Poole

4th: 12:53 remaining 23 yarder to Williams

Thats an average od 12.6 per reception which is awesome. A far cry above league average probably almost double.

Thats 4 completions over 15 yards which is 33% and another one over 10. His passes were on target and he was not locking on to one WR either.

Sorry but that shows he is looking deep. You guys must be expecting a bomb every 5 plays or so

 

[Cheesebeef]

Some of you are claiming that during McCowns 13 for 13 streak he was not looking downfield and that all the throws were just short easy passes. That is so not true.

I just rewatched the game and charted the plays and passes during the streak. they are as follows:

2nd: 7:14 remaining a 8 yards pass to FJ.

2nd: 6:00 remaining a 8 yarder to Williams.

2nd: 5:30 remaining a 7 yarder to Fitz

2nd: 4:20 remaining 5 yarder to Diamond

3rd: 12:08 remaining 20 yarder to Johnson

3rd: 11:04 remaining 34 yarder to Williams

3rd: 1:41 remaining 18 yarder to Poole

3rd: :51 remaining 7 yarder to Williams

4th: 14:20 remaining 11 yarder to Johnson

4th: 13:55 remaining 6 yards to Poole

4th: 12:53 remaining 23 yarder to Williams

Thats an average od 12.6 per reception which is awesome. A far cry above league average probably almost double.

Thats 4 completions over 15 yards which is 33% and another one over 10. His passes were on target and he was not locking on to one WR either.

Sorry but that shows he is looking deep. You guys must be expecting a bomb every 5 plays or so

well - if you look at stats - great - however, considering that on both Johnson's 20 yarder and Williams' 34 yarder they got considerable RAC on those it kind of skews those numbers a little bit - but hey, the cold stats back up your opinion and for me - passing between the 20s is nice but the money is made once you get inside and that's where Josh needs to improve.

The almost pick in the endzone to Fitz was pathetic - that was a gimme TD that Josh completely underthrew.

 

[Shane]

well - if you look at stats - great - however, considering that on both Johnson's 20 yarder and Williams' 34 yarder they got considerable RAC on those it kind of skews those numbers a little bit - but hey, the cold stats back up your opinion and for me - passing between the 20s is nice but the money is made once you get inside and that's where Josh needs to improve.

The almost pick in the endzone to Fitz was pathetic - that was a gimme TD that Josh completely underthrew.

Hardly considerable. Maybe another 5 yards on each max. Still would be nice stats none the less.

I agree he needs to improve in the redzone. I disagree on the "easy TD" That CB had perfect position and it would have been a hard catch even if it was a perfect throw. The fade to the corner of the endzone is the hardest touch pass to throw in football IMO.

 

[MadCardDisease]

You also have to consider that the Falcons played cover two most of the game. That limits the downfield pass greatly. McCown was just taking what the Falcons defense was giving him. You can't fault him for that.

The big issue was that the Falcons front four were generating a consistant pass rush with out needing much help. Not to mention they were effective at stoping the run. If a defense doesn't have to blitz to generate a pass rush they can keep more guys back to protect against the pass.

 

[ajcardfan]

Hardly considerable. Maybe another 5 yards on each max. Still would be nice stats none the less.

I agree he needs to improve in the redzone. I disagree on the "easy TD" That CB had perfect position and it would have been a hard catch even if it was a perfect throw. The fade to the corner of the endzone is the hardest touch pass to throw in football IMO.

I'll split the difference between the two of you.

McCown DID look downfield more in the second half yesterday than he had all season up to that point. However, that was a piss poor throw in the endzone. They had exactly the matchup they wanted. You know they work on that play in practice everyday. And that ball was at least two feet too low. It was not good execution.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

hats only 11 completions....what were the other 2?

Am I missing something?

 

[Shane]

I'll split the difference between the two of you.

McCown DID look downfield more in the second half yesterday than he had all season up to that point. However, that was a piss poor throw in the endzone. They had exactly the matchup they wanted. You know they work on that play in practice everyday. And that ball was at least two feet too low. It was not good execution.

i agree it was poor execution. but with the CBs positioning even a perfect throw wouldnt have guaranteed a TD.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'll split the difference between the two of you.

McCown DID look downfield more in the second half yesterday than he had all season up to that point. However, that was a piss poor throw in the endzone. They had exactly the matchup they wanted. You know they work on that play in practice everyday. And that ball was at least two feet too low. It was not good execution.

I agree with that. McCown's touch pass to Fitz in the endzone hasn't looked great. I have been very dissapointed with that play so far. I thought for sure it would be effective in the Red Zone.

My guess is that not having Reps with his starting WR's for the entire preseason has hurt McCown with regards to the lack of success of the Touch pass.

 

[Shane]

hats only 11 completions....what were the other 2?

Am I missing something?

no your right let me see what im missing sorry!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I agree with that. McCown's touch pass to Fitz in the endzone hasn't looked great. I have been very dissapointed with that play so far. I thought for sure it would be effective in the Red Zone.

My guess is that not having Reps with his starting WR's for the entire preseason has hurt McCown with regards to the lack of success of the Touch pass.

Yeah I would agree with that as well.

I have ben all over McCown for his mistakes in these first 3 games, but that timing/touch pass takes a lot of practice with the receiver to get it right. Although it was a bad pass, I dont fault McCown for that as he probably hasnt practiced it with Fitz much at all.

 

[Shane]

i missed a 5 yarder at 1:45 in the second which bring the average down to a horrible 12 yards per completion. i cant find the 13th on my paper ill go back and look.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

i missed a 5 yarder at 1:45 in the second which bring the average down to a horrible 12 yards per completion. i cant find the 13th on my paper ill go back and look.

Its not a big deal....I was just wondering if I was reading it wrong.


It's all good..

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I know BJ and Williams both had decent yac's.Let's say they only got 7 yac.That still means the Cards threw 1 ball more than 15 yards downfield the entire day.I wouldn't exactly call that "stretching"the defense. You have to take a couple shots even if they fail just to loosen them up.I don't see how you can even make an argument that Josh is throwing the ball downfield.

 

[Shane]

I know BJ and Williams both had decent yac's.Let's say they only got 7 yac.That still means the Cards threw 1 ball more than 15 yards downfield the entire day.I wouldn't exactly call that "stretching"the defense. You have to take a couple shots even if they fail just to loosen them up.I don't see how you can even make an argument that Josh is throwing the ball downfield.

umm by watching the game. twice now in fact. maybe you should try it. thats not even counting the 35 to 40 yard bomb he attempted to johnson in the first half.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Seeing as i was AT THE GAME,I think i watched it.But,you're right, i can't argue with you at all.Our passing attack is fine.I'll bet Jim Haslett and the Saints staff is saying if we can just stop their deep passing attack, we should be ok.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Also 12.6 yards per COMPLETION is OK, not great.If that was yards per ATTEMPT than it would be about double.The Cards are 20th in the league in yards per attempt.

 

[Shane]

Also 12.6 yards per COMPLETION is OK, not great.If that was yards per ATTEMPT than it would be about double.The Cards are 20th in the league in yards per attempt.

call me crazy but how exactly do you get yards on an attempt?

You cant start getting yards until theres a completion last i checked?

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think the problem is with medium range passes (and most of McCown's longer passes were in the 15 - 20 yard range), but the lack of at least a couple of really long completions (i.e. 35+ yards) and also balls thrown into the end zone.

Without being at a game (to see what the TV cameras don't show you) it's impossible to know whether the problem is entirely McCown not having time to throw, whether plays aren't being called that enable him to immediately double pump and throw long and/or whether the Cardinal coaches don't have confidence yet in McCown's ability to read defenses, see a blitz/man scheme coming so that he can to audible to a quick hitch & go.

Whatever the reason, it seems as though we're playing an awful lot of "half court basketball" for a Dennis Green coached team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

call me crazy but how exactly do you get yards on an attempt?

You cant start getting yards until theres a completion last i checked?

Yards per attempt is one of the factors in the QB rating system.That's just how they do it.If you have 2 attempts and 1 completion for 20 yards your YPA is 10.Peyton Manning has one of the highest YPA at 9+ but he has something like 68 completions for 990 yards which is much greater than 10 yards per completion.

 

[C-MACK]

Thats an average od 12.6 per reception which is awesome. A far cry above league average probably almost double.

Thats 4 completions over 15 yards which is 33% and another one over 10. His passes were on target and he was not locking on to one WR either.

Sorry but that shows he is looking deep. You guys must be expecting a bomb every 5 plays or so

Double the league average? Awesome? Are you friggin kidding me. So your saying that the league average is about 6 yds per reception? That may be the case in the peewees but not in the NFL. McCown ended the game at under 9.9 yards per reception. That is definitely on the low end of the scale. Carr ended up averaging 17.9, Vick who struggled big time ended up with an 11.5 yard average. I'd guess that the league average is about 12 yards per catch. You could have said Josh was average, but your praise of him as being Awesome is ridiculous