Hassan Whiteside Trade Idea

[slinslin]

What about it?

Whiteside is one of the biggest names mentioned to be available in trade rumors.
He is only 26 years old and he is a headcase but very talented.

He is an unrestricted free agent and will be looking for the max. It seems doubtful Miami can re-sign him with their cap situation.

He would be a risky acquisition since the Suns can't know if he stays even if they offer him big money.

Because of his contract situation Whiteside does not have much trade value.

Suns trade
Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin

Heat trade
Hassan Whiteside, Luol Deng, Chris Andersen

or
Chandler, Morris, Tucker
for
Whiteside, Deng, McRoberts (3yrs/18m), Andersen

Maybe way off but if Whiteside is available than the Suns could offer a good replacement in Chandler with champioship experience.

 

[chickenhead]

If he is a head case, then this Suns FO is probably the worst fit for him, and vice versa. But I won't say it isn't an interesting idea...

 

[JCSunsfan]

No Bird rights with him. So there is no advantage in trading for him.

 

[Phrazbit]

No Bird rights with him. So there is no advantage in trading for him.

Huh, I didn't know that, I guess it makes sense as they signed him as an FA only 2 years ago. Would that also preclude Miami (or us if we were to trade for him) from being able to offer the 5 year max?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Huh, I didn't know that, I guess it makes sense as they signed him as an FA only 2 years ago. Would that also preclude Miami (or us if we were to trade for him) from being able to offer the 5 year max?

Yes. All you get for trading for him now is a test run to see if you like him, and first opportunity to make your case. But you still have to clear the cap space to sign him.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/02/10...elves-and-hassan-whiteside-with-his-contract/

I do not see how the Heat will be able to keep him. I do believe the Heat would trade him for a servicable center on a longer term deal if they could--just to stabilize the roster. But they would have to give up something else.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yes. All you get for trading for him now is a test run to see if you like him, and first opportunity to make your case. But you still have to clear the cap space to sign him.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/02/10...elves-and-hassan-whiteside-with-his-contract/

I do not see how the Heat will be able to keep him. I do believe the Heat would trade him for a servicable center on a longer term deal if they could--just to stabilize the roster. But they would have to give up something else.

What do you mean by that? Their payroll will be under $50M. Bosh, Dragic, McRoberts, and Winslow are the only players under contract for next year. Heath will have no trouble signing him as long as he wants to be there.

 

[JS22]

If there was a way to dump Markieff or get rid of the Chandler contract as part of this trade I'd do it. Even for a rental with a slim chance of returning next season.

 

[elindholm]

Because of his contract situation Whiteside does not have much trade value.

That makes no sense. His new team will still be protected by the Gilbert Arenas rule.

(Edit: I'm wrong about this, but even so, his new team will have the momentum of having developed a relationship with him.)

Suns trade
Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin

Heat trade
Hassan Whiteside, Luol Deng, Chris Andersen

So the Heat give up Whiteside solely for the privilege of dumping two expiring contracts? That makes even less sense.

Chandler, Morris, Tucker
for
Whiteside, Deng, McRoberts (3yrs/18m), Andersen

Now you sweeten the deal for the Heat by offering Morris for McRoberts?

Maybe way off

You think?

 

[slinslin]

Expiring contracts don't hold much value right now.

Morris is better than McRoberts and Tucker is about the same as Deng at this point. Miami is one of the few teams that won't have much capspace, so they will have a harder time keeping expiring players or getting new ones unless Wade takes a discout.

 

[hcsilla]

Expiring contracts don't hold much value right now.

Morris is better than McRoberts and Tucker is about the same as Deng at this point. Miami is one of the few teams that won't have much capspace, so they will have a harder time keeping expiring players or getting new ones unless Wade takes a discout.

If the Heat will have harder time getting new ones, they will have much harder time if they switch McRoberts to Markieff, Deng's expiring contract to Tucker's 1.5 mil. and take Chandler's 13 mil.

Also, Deng is still a better player than Tucker.

So, with this deal the Heat not only gets (much) worse this seaon but kills all their remaining cap flexibility that they would have after Whiteside walking away.

 

[slinslin]

If the Heat will have harder time getting new ones, they will have much harder time if they switch McRoberts to Markieff, Deng's expiring contract to Tucker's 1.5 mil. and take Chandler's 13 mil.

Also, Deng is still a better player than Tucker.

So, with this deal the Heat not only gets (much) worse this seaon but kills all their remaining cap flexibility that they would have after Whiteside walking away.

Whiteside walking away does not clear capspace for them, he makes just 900k.

With this the Heat already get replacements because I don't see how they are going to get a better center than Chandler in free agency in 2016 or a replacement for Deng or a forward with as much talent as Markieff.

 

[hcsilla]

Whiteside walking away does not clear capspace for them,

It does not, but replacing Whiteside with Chandler takes a lot from their cap space which they will have anyway.

With this the Heat already get replacements because I don't see how they are going to get a better center than Chandler in free agency in 2016 or a replacement for Deng or a forward with as much talent as Markieff.

That's at least highly debatable but I'm sure that Riley would prefer 20 mil. cap space in Miami over having Chander and Morris and rightfully so.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What do you mean by that? Their payroll will be under $50M. Bosh, Dragic, McRoberts, and Winslow are the only players under contract for next year. Heath will have no trouble signing him as long as he wants to be there.

Just going by what the article said. Here is the quote.

The Heat don’t project to have space, though, let alone enough to match a big deal for Whiteside. They already have $69,632,912 committed to Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade (player option), Luol Deng (player option), Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, Danny Granger (player option) and Shabazz Napier. Those nine players alone take Miami above the projected salary cap of $66.5 million.

BTW. Thank you for this thread. Its refreshing to have a detailed basketball discussion.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here are some projections for cap space in 2016-17. Perhaps they are not taking into account player options.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-awfully-quiet-on-the-nba-trade-front/

 

[JCSunsfan]

Here are some projections for cap space in 2016-17. Perhaps they are not taking into account player options.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-awfully-quiet-on-the-nba-trade-front/

The article claims that Wade and Deng have player options. I don't see that anywhere else. Lets assume they dont.

They have 48 million committed. But that does not include Wade (10 million plus), Deng (8 million plus), Haslem, (3 million). Those guys will have cap holds, unless they renounce them or sign them for less. I also believe there are minimum level cap holds for the other open roster spots.

 

[hcsilla]

OK, the whole idea might be wrong.

They will re-sign Wade (for some kind of discount, let's say 15 mil.), then happily renounce Deng and Haslem, and re-sign Whiteside for the max.

Question is whether Wade is ready to accept a pay-cut that Whiteside should earn more money than him.

 

[Mainstreet]

The article claims that Wade and Deng have player options. I don't see that anywhere else. Lets assume they dont.

They have 48 million committed. But that does not include Wade (10 million plus), Deng (8 million plus), Haslem, (3 million). Those guys will have cap holds, unless they renounce them or sign them for less. I also believe there are minimum level cap holds for the other open roster spots.

I don't think the linked article used team options. That was a comment I made trying to account for any differences.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...a-trade-front/

However, looking at HoopsHype the Heat only have a payroll for 2016-17 for $48,008,675. So on paper they could have a lot of money to spend with the new cap space.

 

[Sunshooter]

Whiteside is a younger Chandler only.

Suns won't get any benefit in these trade.

 

[Catlover]

Whiteside is a younger Chandler only.

Suns won't get any benefit in these trade.

They have similar shortcomings but from what I've seen Whiteside is much better at the things they both can do. I don't think Chandler ever had a year where he was as good as Whiteside has been this year and Hassan was even better last year. I don't know that I'd trust the guy with a max contract considering everything but I don't doubt he'll bet a hot target this offseason.

 

[hcsilla]

Whiteside is a younger Chandler only.

No, Whiteside is a much better shotblocker than Chandler ever was plus he seems more talented in offense as well

 

[95pro]

Whiteside has the physical tools, but he's missing something upstairs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Man guys. Thank you for this thread.

Its refreshing to talk about basketball and basketball players again. I am not trying to criticize anyone, because the board does not belong to me, but I really enjoy looking at basketball in a more clinical, problem solving way.

 

[sunsfan88]

Another interesting take on Whiteside that I've seen is them trading Whiteside to Houston for Dwight Howard. Miami gets a player that they will be able to maintain the bird rights for while Houston gets a guy that won't demand as many touches and at this point, may actually be a better player.

But back to Whiteside staying in Miami, I wonder if Florida's tax policy will give him more incentive to stay with the Heat.