Have some Kool aid

[BigRedRage]

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Man did that get me pumped, especially for adding q Williams. These defense on paper has become a complete monster

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[outcent13]

Thanks for sharing! Kool aid indeed!

 

[bojack]

I'm all for taking D at #1 and reserectting what made us a solid team capable of competing week in and out for multiple seasons. Let's be honest, our offense during our BA seasons was sometimes fire and other times poo (especially when Palmer was injured), but our D under TB and even JB was more often than not pulled their weight and then some. Add in a solid CB opposite Pat P and we are well on our way to being a formidable defense again. I will take an average offense all day if we can dominate on the other side of the ball, because outliers aside there isn't a much difference in PPG between the avg offense and the 4th best. In 2018 the difference between 4th (Pats) and 16th was essentially a field goal.

Give me the a decent offense and a great defense and I am happy.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm all for taking D at #1 and reserectting what made us a solid team capable of competing week in and out for multiple seasons. Let's be honest, our offense during our BA seasons was sometimes fire and other times **** (especially when Palmer was injured), but our D under TB and even JB was more often than not pulled their weight and then some. Add in a solid CB opposite Pat P and we are well on our way to being a formidable defense again. I will take an average offense all day if we can dominate on the other side of the ball, because outliers aside there isn't a much difference in PPG between the avg offense and the 4th best. In 2018 the difference between 4th (Pats) and 16th was essentially a field goal.

Give me the a decent offense and a great defense and I am happy.

Do you realize that the final four teams last season were the top 4 scoring teams in the NFL?

With the way the rules of the NFL are changing, you need to have a really good offense that can score. The team you’re describing was basically the Chicago Bears last season.

 

[BW52]

Do you realize that the final four teams last season were the top 4 scoring teams in the NFL?

With the way the rules of the NFL are changing, you need to have a really good offense that can score. The team you’re describing was basically the Chicago Bears last season.

What was the score of the Super Bowl?

 

[bojack]

Do you realize that the final four teams last season were the top 4 scoring teams in the NFL?

With the way the rules of the NFL are changing, you need to have a really good offense that can score. The team you’re describing was basically the Chicago Bears last season.

The rules... The rules, they are so geared toward offense now, the game is so different and high scoring that defense is meaningless, it's all offense now everyone! Or so the myth goes...

People have been saying that every year for the better part of two decades and yet that myth keeps getting busted, mostly because the rules changes are pretty subtle when compared in context and defenses are able to easily adapt.

Did you know back in the "no holds barred" 80s, when lore said defense was everything and you could grind out a championship off 0-6 wins each week... Well they actually had a pretty productive offense back then too.

Back in the 80s then a team averaged 21 pts per game, with the lowest single year avg of 20.2 PPG.

So fast forward to 2008 to 2018 era with these terribly restrictive rules that favor offense what are we avg now... 30 pts? It's a different game now remember, it must be huge.

No... These last ten years have produced an avg of 22.4 PPG... A net increase of 6% from the 80s. The game hasn't changed as much as people like to pretend. Player safety and keeping QBs healthy has changed a lot since then. Pass coverage has to be cleaner for both defender and receiver, but it's still 94% the same game as it was 40 years ago in terms of offensive output.

2018 was the highest ever year thanks to KC lighting it up but still just 23.3 PPG avg. 2017 was just 21.7 PPG, right there with the 80s.

You may have missed the part where the difference between the super bowl champs and the lowly Giants was just a FG. Avg possession per game is about 12. Pat's scored right about 2pt per possession. You can be an average O team with a great D and stop 1.5 of those more than the avg and your avg O can beat the Pats.

Btw, KC avg like 35 PPG last year... I didn't see them in the super bowl. I also didn't see that Rams offense do much, or Pats offense for that matter when they won the Lombardi 13 to 3. Seemed like the defenses on both sides played a bigger role than the offenses.

TLDR; stats don't lie. Defensive is still as important, if not more so than your Offense.

 

[bojack]

And to put another pin in the Offense Is Everything balloon...

KC killed it with 35 PPG. The margin of victory was +8.7. Chicago had a MOV of +8.1 despite a much weaker offense. Pats were +7.4. Bears lost by 1 point and didn't advance in a 16 to 15 pt game. Had they advanced we might have been talking about the Bears in the super bowl seeing how Pat's were able to hold a potent Rams offense to 3pts with a lesser D, so it's not unthinkable the Bears could have pulled off something similar against Rams and Saints.

Oh and out of all those top 4 offenses who made it to the conference finals, all but one had avg to well below avg defense. The one with an above avg defense was the Pats. KC gave up 50 more yards a game than we did and our defense was bad.

I'm not saying we can be last in the NFL in offense and get far. I am saying we can be an average offense and have a great D and can compete and have a shot at the playoffs and see if things break our way. To go all the way typically you need to be pretty good on both sides or have things break your way at the right time. If KK can really get Rosen and team on track then we could end up with an above avg O and above avg D, which makes things even more favorable for our chances of post season wins.

Building up a great D via draft is much more predictable than building a great O from the draft, especially if it involves a new rookie QB or a rookie HC, let alone a combo of the two. Not saying it can't be done, but I like our chances best of both competing and building for the future by taking a top tier D that has very solid chance of reaping instant and long term returns than rolling the dice on a QB at #1 in this draft, especially for a reach like KM.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

And to put another pin in the Offense Is Everything balloon...

KC killed it with 35 PPG. The margin of victory was +8.7. Chicago had a MOV of +8.1 despite a much weaker offense. Pats were +7.4. Bears lost by 1 point and didn't advance in a 16 to 15 pt game. Had they advanced we might have been talking about the Bears in the super bowl seeing how Pat's were able to hold a potent Rams offense to 3pts with a lesser D, so it's not unthinkable the Bears could have pulled off something similar against Rams and Saints.

Oh and out of all those top 4 offenses who made it to the conference finals, all but one had avg to well below avg defense. The one with an above avg defense was the Pats. KC gave up 50 more yards a game than we did and our defense was bad.

I'm not saying we can be last in the NFL in offense and get far. I am saying we can be an average offense and have a great D and can compete and have a shot at the playoffs and see if things break our way. To go all the way typically you need to be pretty good on both sides or have things break your way at the right time. If KK can really get Rosen and team on track then we could end up with an above avg O and above avg D, which makes things even more favorable for our chances of post season wins.

Building up a great D via draft is much more predictable than building a great O from the draft, especially if it involves a new rookie QB or a rookie HC, let alone a combo of the two. Not saying it can't be done, but I like our chances best of both competing and building for the future by taking a top tier D that has very solid chance of reaping instant and long term returns than rolling the dice on a QB at #1 in this draft, especially for a reach like KM.

Very well said people need to look at every Super Bowl ever played and then tell me what in common do they have It's more often than not a above average to dominant defense not a dominant offense or even above aver offense The old say holds true offense sells seats defense wins Championships