Have the Cardinals Created A Monster?

[DoTheDew]

The embarrassment for not getting a good deal for Q would be worse for the Cards than not trading him and causing him to run his mouth IMO. America is used to pro bowl WRs mouthing off about their teams after 10 years of TO, Moss, Keyshawn, and others to a lesser extent. But if we don't get a good deal, everyone will be saying "same old Cards" and we will predictably disappoint next year. Our SB run will then be remembered as a fluke.

There is no pressure for the Cardinals to do anything, except for taking the best deal for the team as a whole, whether that is trading Q or paying him.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think the key point that no one has brought up is that Boldin has done a lot of good for this organization. He has been a defender of the organization and warrior when few others would be. And I think he truly belive he will never be able to reach his max earning potential or (more importantly to him) his maximum as a player next to Fitz. Especially after last season. He has an ego too and like many of us, I am sure he cites those "passing records" and "fastest to..." stats in his head as reasoning why.

He deserves to go to a team and be the #1 option and get paid like Fitz. Somewhere he provides more value and - at this point - is more appreciated.

So I think the organization and him have come to a handshake deal (which is why he has gotten so compliant and quiet) to take the best deal on draft day. It's all conjecture but the on-goings of the past two month from all parties have convinced me now more then ever they are serious about trading Q.

Just think how Somers and Urban's perspective have changed over the past week. That says something.

I am impressed the FO (front office) have been able to seem as in control as they have as I feel internally they almost have to take the best deal.

Otherwise you go into next season with a black cloud over the teams head (and an excuse to lose) or give him the money close to Fitz when that isn't smart football in Wiz's opinion. At least it hasn't been something he has shown to adhere to in the past.

Its inevitable in my opinion. We will see. I think it will work out well for both parties.

Geez enough on this Boldin stuff....what do you guys think about Leinart compared to Warner?

 

[bg7brd]

I think the key point that no one has brought up is that Boldin has done a lot of good for this organization. He has been a defender of the organization and warrior when few others would be. And I think he truly belive he will never be able to reach his max earning potential or (more importantly to him) his maximum as a player next to Fitz. Especially after last season. He has an ego too and like many of us, I am sure he cites those "passing records" and "fastest to..." stats in his head as reasoning why.

He deserves to go to a team and be the #1 option and get paid like Fitz. Somewhere he provides more value and - at this point - is more appreciated.

So I think the organization and him have come to a handshake deal (which is why he has gotten so compliant and quiet) to take the best deal on draft day. It's all conjecture but the on-goings of the past two month from all parties have convinced me now more then ever they are serious about trading Q.

Just think how Somers and Urban's perspective have changed over the past week. That says something.

I am impressed the FO (front office) have been able to seem as in control as they have as I feel internally they almost have to take the best deal.

Otherwise you go into next season with a black cloud over the teams head (and an excuse to lose) or give him the money close to Fitz when that isn't smart football in Wiz's opinion. At least it hasn't been something he has shown to adhere to in the past.

Its inevitable in my opinion. We will see. I think it will work out well for both parties.

Geez enough on this Boldin stuff....what do you guys think about Leinart compared to Warner?

Whiz has made himself perfectly clear that he wants Boldin. He was on Gambo and Ash today talking about how the Colts managed their situation with a high priced QB and 2 WR's. I hate to trade away a pro bowl player and a solid leader like Q and I hope things can work themselves out. It would be nice to see Q up on the ring of honor next to Fitz and Wilson someday. I think the only way they make the trade is if some team makes them an offer they can't refuse.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I went searching trying to find out info about Q's contract situation.

He was drafted in the 2nd round in 2003 and to a normal 2nd rounder type of contract. It was for 2003-2008. He made the probowl as a rookie and complained about his contract. in 2005, the Cards redid his deal.

Boldin in 2005 :
"That's the most important part," the 2003 NFL offensive rookie of the year said. "I can go into practice with a clear conscience now."

His new deal is for $23.5 million over six years, including raises and bonuses that will pay him $12.42 million more over the remaining years of his original contract than what he had coming.

The deal has annual salaries of $1.5 million this season, followed by $1.75 million, $2 million, $2.5 million, $2.75 million and $3 million over the next five years. It includes signing bonuses of $5 million this year and $5 million in 2006.

Divide his signing bonus by 5 years = $2M per year, so he making $4.75M this year and $5M next at his current contract.

He's not exactly in the poor house.


Another 2003 quote from Boldin :

Although Rosenhaus has a reputation for holding players out during confrontational negotiations, Boldin said he never considered missing camp.

"Even if I didn't have a new deal, I'd still be up here in camp," he said. "I'd still be working, because that's my job."


The funny thing is I found these quotes on a Bengals message board and the poster right after the info posted this :

Doesnt deserve a new deal yet, maybe if he played to that level this year. I dont know why these guys think they deserve new deals after one good year and nothing else. (see javon walker who had 1 good year and 2 sucky) The bastard will probably holdout again in 3 years when he wants another deal.

http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=7374

 

[Buckybird]

I think it will work out well for both parties.

Only if they pick a very good player who starts here for years and the Big Red continues to succeed. Could you imagine what the fans and media would say if Q continues to be great for 5 more years and we draft a bust? Oh my...

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Only if they pick a very good player who starts here for years and the Big Red continues to suceed. Could you imagine what the fans and media would say if Q continues to be great for 5 more years and we draft a bust? Oh my...

In Wiz I trust. Its always the individual player to a degree but it is the system that is the difference IMO between the Cardinals of two years ago and today.

I love Q. Still my favorite player. But no one is more important to the organization than Whisenhunt.

 

[Buckybird]

In Wiz I trust. Its always the individual player to a degree but it is the system that is the difference IMO between the Cardinals of two years ago and today.

I love Q. Still my favorite player. But no one is more important to the organization than Whisenhunt.

I trust him, I just don't trust the decision making of the guy who has the final say. And we all know who that is.

 

[bg7brd]

I trust him, I just don't trust the decision making of the guy who has the final say. And we all know who that is.

You mean the guy that hired Whiz?

 

[Buckybird]

You mean the guy that hired Whiz?

the guy who drafted Calvin Pace and BJ instead of Suggs

 

[1DS]

That is a very dumb thing to say, and also very long. You like to ramble about random things, don't ya?

Dude, WTH is your problem? Mitch is one of the most well respected posters on this board and countless posters look forward to reading his stuff. For you to respond with the post above is uncalled for ad low class. Just don't respond if you don't like the post. Mitch put a good bit of work into that peice, slamming him like that is just trolling, IMO.

Thanks, Mitch.

 

[Mitch]

Dude, WTH is your problem? Mitch is one of the most well respected posters on this board and countless posters look forward to reading his stuff. For you to respond with the post above is uncalled for ad low class. Just don't respond if you don't like the post. Mitch put a good bit of work into that peice, slamming him like that is just trolling, IMO.

Thanks, Mitch.

That made my day, 1DS. That was very classy of you and I sincerely appreciate it. Thank you.

 

[Shane]

For the record:

bI will go on record and say the Cards chances for a post-season berth will be seriously damaged. I believe the Cards now have a better chance of making the playoffs without Q here. Kills me to say it but it is what it is... The situation is no officially too far gone. He needs to be moved...

82 please tell me you aren't one of those drama kings that thinks what Q does off the field in anyway affects his teamates or him in anyway? Whatever happens will not effect team chemistry. Nor will it effect the way they play on the field. To say it will and it makes us have less a chance to win is as dramatic as it gets! The only people it bothers is fans and maybe the gm/owners. Last I checked they don't suit up on Sundays!

 

[Buckybird]

82 please tell me you aren't one of those drama kings that thinks what Q does off the field in anyway affects his teamates or him in anyway? Whatever happens will not effect team chemistry. Nor will it effect the way they play on the field. To say it will and it makes us have less a chance to win is as dramatic as it gets! The only people it bothers is fans and maybe the gm/owners. Last I checked they don't suit up on Sundays!

Not yet, but stay tuned because things could get ugly if the situation isn't resolved one way or another. Ask the Cowboys.

 

[82CardsGrad]

82 please tell me you aren't one of those drama kings that thinks what Q does off the field in anyway affects his teamates or him in anyway? Whatever happens will not effect team chemistry. Nor will it effect the way they play on the field. To say it will and it makes us have less a chance to win is as dramatic as it gets! The only people it bothers is fans and maybe the gm/owners. Last I checked they don't suit up on Sundays!

Last season was last season... It was all new. The team (Q's whinning notwithstanding) got completely swooped up in the moment - as did we fans!
Today is different Shane. If Q is still with this team when they come down off the mountain, I stand by what I said - their chances for getting into the post season will be GREATLY diminished.
Team chemistry will indeed be impacted. Not because Q will intentionally try to disrupt the team. But because Q is now "an issue". The "issue" will persist no matter how much Warner, Fitz and the other say it doesn't bother them. They have their own impressions and their own opinions - but of course are classy enough not to air them in the media. But they're there... And the longer this charade plays out, the longer the emotions stew and stew between Q and the team, the more the players will question the motives of either Q or the team, or both... and what does that mean for "me"... It's not officially an "issue", and no words from Q or current players will make it less of an "issue".
He simply needs to be go.... and trust me - it pains me to say it...

 

[Shane]

Last season was last season... It was all new. The team (Q's whinning notwithstanding) got completely swooped up in the moment - as did we fans!
Today is different Shane. If Q is still with this team when they come down off the mountain, I stand by what I said - their chances for getting into the post season will be GREATLY diminished.
Team chemistry will indeed be impacted. Not because Q will intentionally try to disrupt the team. But because Q is now "an issue". The "issue" will persist no matter how much Warner, Fitz and the other say it doesn't bother them. They have their own impressions and their own opinions - but of course are classy enough not to air them in the media. But they're there... And the longer this charade plays out, the longer the emotions stew and stew between Q and the team, the more the players will question the motives of either Q or the team, or both... and what does that mean for "me"... It's not officially an "issue", and no words from Q or current players will make it less of an "issue".
He simply needs to be go.... and trust me - it pains me to say it...

sorry 82 but you are def being dramatic. Contracts are business and other players don't concern themselves with it. It only effects team chemistry if said player deliberately takes plays off, complains to other players and starts pointing fingers at other players for their shortcomings ala TO. No way in he'll Q does that. A hasent come close to pulling TO type antics and he never will. Contractual squabbles just aren't comparable.

 

[82CardsGrad]

sorry 82 but you are def being dramatic. Contracts are business and other players don't concern themselves with it. It only effects team chemistry if said player deliberately takes plays off, complains to other players and starts pointing fingers at other players for their shortcomings ala TO. No way in he'll Q does that. A hasent come close to pulling TO type antics and he never will. Contractual squabbles just aren't comparable.

Maybe I'm not saying it clearly enough Shane...

I did not say or come close to suggesting Q is pulling a T.O. I know Q wouldn't do that crap... But:

You can dismiss it all you want, but Q is now an "issue". I don't care how hard he plays this coming season. His situation is just that, a situation and one that has now been amped to levels that do become a distraction. Again, you can deny that all you want, but IMO, I have little doubt that should the Cards come out of the shoot with a 3 & 5 record, and the Q "issue" continues to persist with reporters and ESPN asking over and over and over again what will the outcome be - this situation will be a distraction.

Q needs to be traded... period... end of story... I hope the team can make it happen sooner vs later...

 

[Buckybird]

That made my day, 1DS. That was very classy of you and I sincerely appreciate it. Thank you.

You the man Mitch

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That is a very dumb thing to say, and also very long. You like to ramble about random things, don't ya?

Hey... newbie...

We've all had our differences of opinion with Walter, but his thought and effort is sincere. He's one of the most valued posters, and an important reason why many of us have been members of this and previous boards.

Curb your insults or at least get clever.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Maybe I'm not saying it clearly enough Shane...

I did not say or come close to suggesting Q is pulling a T.O. I know Q wouldn't do that crap... But:

You can dismiss it all you want, but Q is now an "issue". I don't care how hard he plays this coming season. His situation is just that, a situation and one that has now been amped to levels that do become a distraction. Again, you can deny that all you want, but IMO, I have little doubt that should the Cards come out of the shoot with a 3 & 5 record, and the Q "issue" continues to persist with reporters and ESPN asking over and over and over again what will the outcome be - this situation will be a distraction.

Q needs to be traded... period... end of story... I hope the team can make it happen sooner vs later...

Distraction to you... reporters... no doubt.

Distraction to the team and its efforts... HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW?

 

[Gandhi]

That is a very dumb thing to say, and also very long. You like to ramble about random things, don't ya?

Take a quick look at the threads in this forum. Mitch has created many of them, none of them is one liners and whether you agree or not, you have to love how much effort he puts into it.

Mitch is one of the reasons why this is the best site in cyberspace.

 

[Totally_Red]

Have the Cardinals Created A Monster?

No. The Cardinals are doing their due diligence before they consider taking the plunge of a possible contract extension for Anquan. If they can obtain a Roy Williams type haul of draft picks(looking unlikely) they move Anquan. If not, they probably try to negotiate an extension, including a signing bonus, before training camp.

I don't feel they will be stampeded into trading Q for less than Williams fetched for Detriot. That means mid-level first and third rounders and an additional lower round pick.

The history of the Bidwills is not that of caving IMO. From everything he has said and indicated over the past year, I believe Rod Graves wants to take care of Anquan AT THE RIGHT MOMENT for the Cardinals. That probably won't be as quickly as Team Boldin would like. The sequencing of Adrian Wilson and/or Karlos Dansby first, then Q is correct IMO. But I'm growing dubious that Dansby is really willing to sign a contract before free agency next offseason. He seems to have giant dollar signs in his eyes. So if I'm Rod I focus on A-dub, then turn my attention to Q.

 

[bg7brd]

No. The Cardinals are doing their due diligence before they consider taking the plunge of a possible contract extension for Anquan. If they can obtain a Roy Williams type haul of draft picks(looking unlikely) they move Anquan. If not, they probably try to negotiate an extension, including a signing bonus, before training camp.

I don't feel they will be stampeded into trading Q for less than Williams fetched for Detriot. That means mid-level first and third rounders and an additional lower round pick.

The history of the Bidwills is not that of caving IMO. From everything he has said and indicated over the past year, I believe Rod Graves wants to take care of Anquan AT THE RIGHT MOMENT for the Cardinals. That probably won't be as quickly as Team Boldin would like. The sequencing of Adrian Wilson and/or Karlos Dansby first, then Q is correct IMO. But I'm growing dubious that Dansby is really willing to sign a contract before free agency next offseason. He seems to have giant dollar signs in his eyes. So if I'm Rod I focus on A-dub, then turn my attention to Q.

I agree. It will be interesting if we draft an ILB early in the draft.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

In Wiz I trust. Its always the individual player to a degree but it is the system that is the difference IMO between the Cardinals of two years ago and today.

I love Q. Still my favorite player. But no one is more important to the organization than Whisenhunt.

Bickley is quoting me now - I wonder if I am considered a source

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/21/20090421bickleywhiz0422.html

As a result, his glow lights the way. Fans believe every word he says. The popular message-board mantra in town is, "In Wiz We Trust."

Look at poor Anquan Boldin. In years past the community would always side with the disgruntled player over the miserly Bidwill family. Today, Boldin can't get a sniff of public sympathy regarding his contract dispute. Why? Because fans believe Whisenhunt when he says the Cardinals can win without the wide receiver.

 

[bg7brd]

Bickley is quoting me now - I wonder if I am considered a source

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/04/21/20090421bickleywhiz0422.html

As a result, his glow lights the way. Fans believe every word he says. The popular message-board mantra in town is, "In Wiz We Trust."

Look at poor Anquan Boldin. In years past the community would always side with the disgruntled player over the miserly Bidwill family. Today, Boldin can't get a sniff of public sympathy regarding his contract dispute. Why? Because fans believe Whisenhunt when he says the Cardinals can win without the wide receiver.

Everything I've ever heard from Whiz is that he thinks Q is a very important part of the team and he wants him back.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Dude, WTH is your problem? Mitch is one of the most well respected posters on this board and countless posters look forward to reading his stuff. For you to respond with the post above is uncalled for ad low class. Just don't respond if you don't like the post. Mitch put a good bit of work into that peice, slamming him like that is just trolling, IMO.

Thanks, Mitch.

edit-It's isn't Mitch's fault other posters are too gullable for their own good. I would delete the above stuff, but everytime I do that someone has already quoted me.