HDTV - Which one should I get?

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Saw HDTV at a friends house last month with my wife, and she was so impressed, she wants to get one. So, when the HDTV big screens go onsale for football season, I'm going to get one.

The DLP ones seem to give you the most bang for your buck. Has anyone done any research and purchased one themselves?

What should I get?

What should I be aware of?

What should I know?
 

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AntSports Steve said:
Saw HDTV at a friends house last month with my wife, and she was so impressed, she wants to get one. So, when the HDTV big screens go onsale for football season, I'm going to get one.

The DLP ones seem to give you the most bang for your buck. Has anyone done any research and purchased one themselves?

What should I get?

What should I be aware of?

What should I know?

Samsung DLP 43-61 inch is rated one of the best.

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Be sure to check out http://www.uecweb.com. Refurbed Hitachi's at a fraction of the price. I have one and know two others who do too and have had zero problems. Only fools pay full price.

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I have the Sony 60" HDTV (KDF-60XS955) and would recommend it BIG TIME! Be careful with the DLPs the screen door effect is annoying during sporting events. A couple of years ago the DLPs were much better than the LCDs, but these newer Sony LCDs are much better than any DLP out there in many people’s opinion. If the cost is too much Costco and Sams Club are selling the 50” version of the Sony LCD w/stand for $2,300.00 and you are going to have to roll a High Def Tivo along with that!

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-60-HDTV-KDF-60XS955-/sem/rpsm/oid/109216/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
 

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I have a 61" Samsung DLP, GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER BOUGHT. It simply has the most amazing picture, and I just love it.
 

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GAWD!!!!!!! I have a 61 sony but it isnt HD ready.

I have had it for about 5 years. Cant find a reason to buy a new one.
 

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A friend of mine has a HD projector and it is awesome . She got it at costco for about $1000 . you can project a picture up to 110 inches . You can hook it up to cable computer DVD , playstation ,etc. . Just another Idea if you do not want to spend 3000 for a new tv.
 

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SpokaneCardfan said:
A friend of mine has a HD projector and it is awesome . She got it at costco for about $1000 . you can project a picture up to 110 inches . You can hook it up to cable computer DVD , playstation ,etc. . Just another Idea if you do not want to spend 3000 for a new tv.


Hey projectors are great, and portable.
My friend has a projector we watched HD MNF and away Cards games all season all season. Huge 110' screen in HD is pretty impressive.

But they do require a pretty dark room and a good surface for best viewing.
 

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I have a 30inch widescreen Advent HDTV from Kmart for $499 the weekend of the superbowl.

I love it.

Sure I would love to have the great plasmas or something like that, but I would never touch a projection tv, and don't have the money to do so as a college student. I can't stand the darkness of a projection (it is better these days), and the fact that if you're at a halfway extreme angle you can't see anything. You have to basically sit straight on.

Anyways...is my tv the best...no...are the straight lines exactly straight at the edges of the screen no...am I picky..yes....would I buy another one if I had the money...I'd buy 2 more.

Simply put, HDTV...is HDTV....if it works, and doesn't burn out on me in the next 4-5 years...It'll be one hell of a deal. HDTV for $3000 is just about the same as HDTV for 500. Only size, and very small other things is the difference. But you buy it for HDTV...and if it does that for $500, it's 1000x better than any regular tv, and 99% as good as the other hdtv's, for much less.

I say save the money and get an el cheapo...unless you have the money and/or want something bigger.

Check out the hdtv's before you buy it. But it seems the signals they use in-store always suck. The only complaint I have about my tv, is the regular tv reception aren't the best, but I think that's because it's non-digital signal...the digital channels are quite good, and the HDTV channels are nearly perfect, if not perfect to most people. So that problem is probably apparent on all hdtv's when connected to an inferior signal. But possibly, some of the higher ends do a little better to mask the imperfections of the non-digital channels 1-99. The HD channels are BREATHTAKING on mine!

The only problem with HDTV in general, is barring a collapse of the dollar, the hdtv's will get much cheaper eventually, the lower end ones will come with an antenna for hdtv, where now most need a signal via cable, or you need to buy a hdtv tuner, and then antenna. Plus the fact that cox hdtv only has about 15 hdtv channels...and that's only if you get the starz hd, hbo hd, and showtime hd....which you get for free if you get those channels normally. And the local channels rarely have hdtv content. Those I love lucy reruns aren't in them...lol. The only regular channel hd content are the primetime shows, and some sports....not all...but some.

As long as you know that before buying you won't be upset. But still I'd say it's worth buying. But I'd suggest a cheapo...or a relatively cheap one, rather than an expensive one...at this point....in a few years you'll probably be able to buy an hdtv plasma for $1,000...maybe less.

The one things about plasma and some of these other high tech variations of hdtv beyond the regular tube kind is that some use some expensive replacement parts that need to be replaced every 3-4 years.

If you DO buy a plasma know they are one of those, and also...don't get an EDTV...it ain't HDTV...make sure is says HDTV. I can't believe they trick people into paying $2000 for a tv that will be halfway obsolete in a couple of years.

Good luck!
 
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Oh yeah...make sure you get a widescreen. HDTV is native widescreen format.

If you get a regular square one, you'll be kicking yourself because it'll seem like its quite smaller. It's better to stretch regular tv, then watch small hdtv.
 

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CardsFan88 said:
Oh yeah...make sure you get a widescreen. HDTV is native widescreen format.

If you get a regular square one, you'll be kicking yourself because it'll seem like its quite smaller. It's better to stretch regular tv, then watch small hdtv.


Good point 88.

As well as the point above.

Spend what you are comfortable with. Unless you have dreams of a home theatre or just really big screen the Tube CRT HDTVs are pretty trouble free. At least as much as regular TVs have been. The HD sure gives you a lot of detail on a big screen.
 

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AntSports Steve said:
Saw HDTV at a friends house last month with my wife, and she was so impressed, she wants to get one. So, when the HDTV big screens go onsale for football season, I'm going to get one.

The DLP ones seem to give you the most bang for your buck. Has anyone done any research and purchased one themselves?

The best place to research this is at www.avsforum.com in the rear projection television forum (RPTV). I bought a HD television for the superbowl last year. I researched for a loooong time before I finally bought one.

What should I get?

The same thing I got of course!

Avoid plasma!

What should I be aware of?

The differences in the technology.

CRT (tube bigscreen) has arguably the best picture. You do not have to worry about dead or stuck pixels or "rainbows". They weigh a ton and are difficult to move. CRT's do a better job showing detail in dark scenes or on dark objects. CRT's are subject to something called "burn in". If you something is left in the same position on the screen for a long time the image can be "burned in" the screen. (Like a fox news logo). You have probably seen this effect at ATM machines where you can still see wording in the screen that isn't currently being displayed.

LCD: If you examine an LCD in the store up close you will see the "screen door effect". The pixels that comprise the display have thin boarders that seperate them. You shouldn't see the screen door effect from a proper viewing distance. LCD sets can also get "stuck" or "dead" pixels. If you have had a laptop or flatscreen computer monitor you are probably already looking at one. The pixels are tiny and it is not usually noticeable unless you actively search the screen. LCD's have gotten better on black levels and detail in dark scenes but in my opinion they are behind DLP which is behind CRT. Rear projectection LCD sets are light. LCD is immune to burn in.

DLP: DLP's also do not have as good of black levels as a CRT HD set but are usually better then LCD's. The big drawback to DLP's are "rainbows". A small percentage of the population can see "rainbows" behind fast moving objects on DLP screens. You may not see the rainbows in the store or for a month or two after you buy the set. Rear projection DLP sets are light. There are variations on DLP such as JVC has a type called Dila (something like that). DLP is immune to burn in. In my opinion DLP has a somewhat "fuzzy" or "soft" picture and the details aren't as sharp.

Plasma: Flat screen. Over the life of the set, the phosphurs in the screen that generate the image loose their luminence. The set will gradually get dimmer and dimmer. Also, Plasmas are subject to "burn in".

LCD Flat screen: expensive! Can get stuck or dead pixels.

What should I know?

You probably do not want a TV with a built in HD tuner. If you use satellite or plan on using Tivo you will not use the built in HD tuner in the television and it's a waste of money.

Get the largest TV you can!

Most of the big screen HDTV's are 720p and not 1080. The television will seemlessly scale the image to it's native resolution. 1080 big screens are just now starting to get into the market place and they cost big bucks. Avoid "enhanced" or EDTV's. These look like HD sets and the salesman may tell you it's HD but it's not.

Personally, I chose a Panasonic 60" PT-60LC14 (50" version too) rear projection LCD television because of outstanding reviews and numerous favorable reports from owners on avsforums.com. It was down to the panny and a similar 60" Sony LCD (kdf-60xs). The panasonic had more inputs including an RGB input (which the sony lacked) so Half Life 2 looks pretty amazing. After the research, the Panny was the hands down winner. Panasonic generally has very highly rated HD sets.


I have the Sony 60" HDTV (KDF-60XS955) and would recommend it BIG TIME! Be careful with the DLPs the screen door effect is annoying during sporting events. A couple of years ago the DLPs were much better than the LCDs, but these newer Sony LCDs are much better than any DLP out there in many people’s opinion. If the cost is too much Costco and Sams Club are selling the 50” version of the Sony LCD w/stand for $2,300.00 and you are going to have to roll a High Def Tivo along with that!

LCD televisions have screen door effect, not DLP's. And, all the HD Tivo's currently available are junk. I would avoid all the current HD Tivo boxes and wait for the next round from the manufacturers.
 

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SirChaz said:
Good point 88.

As well as the point above.

Spend what you are comfortable with. Unless you have dreams of a home theatre or just really big screen the Tube CRT HDTVs are pretty trouble free. At least as much as regular TVs have been. The HD sure gives you a lot of detail on a big screen.


They don't make square HD sets. And you should never stretch a standard definition signal to fit a widescreen. It just looks silly. It seems like every bar I go to has a SD football signal stretched to fill a widescreen television and it looks stupid because all the players are stretched in the horizontal making them look short and fat.
 

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abomb said:
Be sure to check out http://www.uecweb.com. Refurbed Hitachi's at a fraction of the price. I have one and know two others who do too and have had zero problems. Only fools pay full price.

A-Bomb

There are numerous horror stories about getting a defective set mail order off the internet on avsforum.com. It is fantastic if you get a good set but if there is a problem it can become a nightmare.

It's a gamble that can pay off big in savings or cost you big because of reshipping a defective set.
 
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Thanks for the good advise. I'll go read up at those websites.

I have the money and have waited a few years to make this purchase so it's 60+ inch screen for me. No plasma as that's just too much.
 

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Fiasco said:
They don't make square HD sets. And you should never stretch a standard definition signal to fit a widescreen. It just looks silly. It seems like every bar I go to has a SD football signal stretched to fill a widescreen television and it looks stupid because all the players are stretched in the horizontal making them look short and fat.


Actually they do. In fact right now fry's electronic has a 36inch square one for I think $788.

Here's a link to a square one. 4:3 aspect ration (i.e. known as square or what we've grown up using)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...CategoryId=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394447003

The one you want (the widescreen is the 16:9 format)

Also I see they have the same model I have for $2 bucks less than I paid for it 6 months ago.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...CategoryId=pcmcat31800050030&id=1110265593458
 
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They do indeed make 4:3 HD sets, who buys them I do not know. DLP can suffer from the screen door as well, just are not as noticible as most LCD panels. That is why I said that the newest models of the Sony LCD are so nice because you do not get that effect.

Also what is your basis for all Tivo's being junk? First of all there is only one model of HD Tivo if you are talking about the Tivo brand name. You don't know what you are talking about. Four input tuners native output with HDMI to the A/V receiver and to TV. side by side with my Sony CRT Wega with it's OTA box and the picture is just as clean. I litereally had them side by side because I replaced my 34" Sony Wega with the 60" and the 34" had to sit in the living room for a couple of days until I could get a friend over to move it into the bedroom. The Tivo is awesome, I don't know what you are waiting for maybe you can expand on what it is you don't like.

The thing about buying a TV and asking opinions is that there are really only two factors you need to care about. Your price point, what are you willing to spend and then your viewing pleasure. Find what you like the best first and impressing your friends second. If you shop for a TV and you like the picture on one set better than another but maybe someone said that is not as good of a set who cares. Bad Cardinal was concerned about being able to hook his computer into his 60" set, I have no desire to ever want to do that. So go pick what you like, but just know about the technology so that you don't get sold a line of crap and end up going home with something two years old that the salesman wanted off his inventory. Good luck!
 

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For those with widescreens, what sizes would you reccomend?
 

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Fiasco said:
They don't make square HD sets. And you should never stretch a standard definition signal to fit a widescreen. It just looks silly. It seems like every bar I go to has a SD football signal stretched to fill a widescreen television and it looks stupid because all the players are stretched in the horizontal making them look short and fat.


I don't know, my Panasonic has a great stretch mode. It stretches the outside edges a little more than the middle. On many types of pictures it is very hard to tell.

I do run the side bars on SD programming sometimes but on my CRT projection burn-in could be an issue. I am glad my kids would rather watch a stretched picture.
 

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Zona90 said:
For those with widescreens, what sizes would you reccomend?


Get the biggest you can afford, have room for, and are comfortable with.

The rule of thumb is 2.5 times the width of the screen should be the viewing distance.

I have a 42" and it is about the right size for the room I have.
 

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I would also highly recommend an HDTV front projector. I bought a AE700U from Panasonic 4 months ago for only $1800 and absolutely love it. The only caveat is that you need to have some light control; ie. I have mine set up in my basement where I can make it completely dark any time of day. Plus it can go from 40 in to 200 in if you ever decide you want to change sizes. Check out www.projectorcentral.com for lots of good info and reviews.
 

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Which HDTV

I have the Mitsubishi WD 52725 which is a 52" DLP that I got in December from Ultimate Electronics. It has an awesome pic--haven't noticed the screen door, but do agree it is not good with dark scenes. It has the cable card, but Cox hasn't figured out how to use it yet!

Consumer Reports has not kept up real well with the DLP scene, but there may be more on it with them by now. Now that LCD screens are getting bigger, I would probably give that strong consideration if I were to be buying now.

Good luck!
 

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