Head Scratching Off Season Moves

[NJCardFan]

OK, someone needs to explain to me the logic here. We don't resign Dansby even knowing that Washington was heading for another suspension so now Dansby is gone and Washington is suspended for the entire season...for the same exact reason as last season's suspension. Personally I hope he never gets another job in the NFL but I digress. Back on point, we do not resign Dansby nor any other free agent ILB aside from 50 year old former Stealer(keeping with Whiz's M.O.) making no offers to no other FA's and to top it all off, not one linebacker taken in the draft then after Washington is suspended the best we can come up with is Ernie Sims? This defense has taken such a huge step back that the middle of the field is going to be terribly vulnerable. Can someone explain this line of thinking to me?

 

[Cardiac]

Part of your concerns are 20/20 hindsight. Know we didn't know D-Weed was going to be suspended for the entire year.

Dansby received a HUGE contract that we couldn't really match.

Based on what is available in FA Foote was a good proactive signing.

I would have preferred that a ILBer was drafted instead of two WR's but BPA and all that jazz.

SK has made a TON of great moves in the past two years so I'm not going to rant about the ILBer issue. Minter was a BPA proactive pick and so now we are thin at one of the ILBer positions. Stuff happens.

 

[52brandon]

There's 2 obvious answers to that:
Dansby left well before we knew about the suspension
He got paid more than he's worth. Regardless

 

[Mainstreet]

With Dansby gone and Washington at least a question mark prior to the suspension, I do not see how the Cardinals FO were not more proactive rather than letting the defense hinge on one player. I'm still hoping the Cardinals will find a rabbit in the hat somewhere.

 

[52brandon]

With Dansby gone and Washington at least a question mark prior to the suspension, I do not see how the Cardinals FO were not more proactive rather than letting the defense hinge on one player. I'm still hoping the Cardinals will find a rabbit in the hat somewhere.

it's the exact same situation we were in last year. Had 1 ILB, needed another. We added Minter, who now had a year to settle into this defense. We luckily found Dansby last year after the fact, but that was hardly part of the plan

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

How do you know that the FO was aware of the Dwash situation during Dansby negotiations, the beginning of free agency, or the draft?

 

[TJ]

I'm plenty satisfied with Keim this offseason. Any complaining I've done I've realized is nitpicking.

Also, saying that the defense has "taken a huge step back" is an overreaction. There's a good chance we won't be as good as last season; hpwever, we have one of the best D-lines and secondaries in the NFL. The Seattle team that won the Super Bowl didn't have very many household names at ILB (most of their dynamic players were in the secondary) but managed to keep teams from scoring.

 

[NJCardFan]

I'm plenty satisfied with Keim this offseason. Any complaining I've done I've realized is nitpicking.

Also, saying that the defense has "taken a huge step back" is an overreaction. There's a good chance we won't be as good as last season; hpwever, we have one of the best D-lines and secondaries in the NFL. The Seattle team that won the Super Bowl didn't have very many household names at ILB (most of their dynamic players were in the secondary) but managed to keep teams from scoring.

This team was weak in the middle of the field already. Not having Dansby or Washington is a major blow. 1 gone, yes but both. Oy. I do agree that the secondary, as long as Mathieu is healthy, is markedly better with Cromartie.Sorry for the pessimism. 40 years rooting for this team rubs off occasionally.

 

[Solar7]

As has been mentioned, but I'll reiterate, when Dansby walked, we didn't know the potential severity of the Washington suspension. That contract would be an awfully hard pill to swallow if either age caught up to him, or he just stopped trying as hard after getting paid. It would really limit the rest of our team. We had to assume Washington was on the right path - he was saying the right things, and not doing anything in the spotlight since the domestic violence incident for us or the team to believe otherwise.

There's no point in highly drafting another ILB when you believe your middle is going to be set with two young guys for the next few years.

 

[BigRedRage]

I have a response but let me create a new thread for it

 

[TRW]

I have a response but let me create a new thread for it

LMAO

I see what you did there

As far as the original post, my scalp is a lot less scarred up the last 2 off seasons than it used to be.

Not every move will pan out or be worth it but I think this new regime has done a much better job (so far) than the previous 100 years of Cardinal management.

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

As far as the original post, my scalp is a lot less scarred up the last 2 off seasons than it used to be.

Not every move will pan out or be worth it but I think this new regime has done a much better job (so far) than the previous 100 years of Cardinal management.

+1

 

[DoTheDew]

So what you're saying is that we should have overpaid Dansby out of desperation? Yeah, it sucks for next year at ILB, but tying our hands down long term by overpaying guys is not good management. Dansby wasn't worth the contract he got the day that he signed it, and he isn't worth it today.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm plenty satisfied with Keim this offseason. Any complaining I've done I've realized is nitpicking.

Also, saying that the defense has "taken a huge step back" is an overreaction. There's a good chance we won't be as good as last season; hpwever, we have one of the best D-lines and secondaries in the NFL. The Seattle team that won the Super Bowl didn't have very many household names at ILB (most of their dynamic players were in the secondary) but managed to keep teams from scoring.

Do we really have a top secondary? Cromartie is like our 123rd rent a CB and is 30 years old, though we do still have Powers as well. We really don't know what we have at Safety. Tony Jefferson? Rashad Johnson? The rookie BoyCannon? I just don't see that as one of the top secondaries in the NFL. Yet.

To me losing 29pdf's and 6 interceptions is going to cause any team to take a step back. Too bad there doesn't seem to be any Karlo$ Dan$by's or John Abrahams available this year.

 

[Duckjake]

So what you're saying is that we should have overpaid Dansby out of desperation? Yeah, it sucks for next year at ILB, but tying our hands down long term by overpaying guys is not good management. Dansby wasn't worth the contract he got the day that he signed it, and he isn't worth it today.

This writer disagrees with you. But then there are so many variables that what would be a good signing of a player like Dan$by for one team could be a bad one for another.

http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/11/karlos-dansby-deal-cleveland-browns/

 

[cardpa]

This writer disagrees with you. But then there are so many variables that what would be a good signing of a player like Dan$by for one team could be a bad one for another.

http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/11/karlos-dansby-deal-cleveland-browns/

If Jackson got a similar deal with the Colts then why didn't Cleveland make that kind of offer to Jackson??? Did Jackson want to leave Cleveland that bad? Does it say something about the Cleveland organization? Isn't Jackson a lot younger than Dansby?

 

[Duckjake]

If Jackson got a similar deal with the Colts then why didn't Cleveland make that kind of offer to Jackson??? Did Jackson want to leave Cleveland that bad? Does it say something about the Cleveland organization? Isn't Jackson a lot younger than Dansby?

It is hard to understand some of the moves NFL teams make. A lot of times I think it is just that what they don't have looks better than what they do have.

Teams let a guy go because supposedly he wants too much money and then they sign a guy to a big contract to replace him.

As for Cleveland, they make the old Cardinals look like geniuses. Draft Colt McCoy, then draft Brandon Weeden, then draft Johnny Manziel. Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn. Knuckleheads.

I do have to give them kudos for going 5-11 three times in the last 5 seasons.