Heat lost to Bobcats...

az1965 · Mar 26, 2005

Just 6 points in fourth quarter.

Sunshooter · Mar 26, 2005

not finish yet

yahoo always makes this problem

az1965 · Mar 26, 2005

Ok. Yahoo was screwed up.

But, Heat still lost by 2 points. And we barely survived ourselves by 2 points to be back on top.

playstation · Mar 26, 2005

this basically makes yesterday's win useless to them. losing to the bobcats overshadows the tiebreak advantage they have.

TopGamer · Mar 26, 2005

playstation said:
this basically makes yesterday's win useless to them. losing to the bobcats overshadows the tiebreak advantage they have.

we have the tiebreaker over them because we have a better record over the east than they do the west. so yesterday's game was meaningless as far as homecourt advantage in the playoffs.

playstation · Mar 27, 2005

TopGamer said:
we have the tiebreaker over them because we have a better record over the east than they do the west. so yesterday's game was meaningless as far as homecourt advantage in the playoffs.

Two-Team Tiebreaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage in conference games
3. Higher winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed

actually, i believe Miami owns the tiebreaker because #2 states % in conf. games, not % in other conference. Since Miami has a better record vs. their conference than we do ours, the tiebreaker is theirs.

Once again, if we make it that far, i don't think homecourt will matter at all anyways, so whatever...

Gaddabout · Mar 27, 2005

I really think the home/away thing is going to end up being more important than we give it credit for. This young team is going to be energized by AWA come playoff time. They've never seen anything like it. Then again, it's not very fun to play in a place like Sacramento during the playoffs, either.

elindholm · Mar 27, 2005

Two-Team Tiebreaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage in conference games
3. Higher winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed

There was a report in which D'Antoni said the Suns hold the tiebreaker, so this is confusing, since I'm sure he knows the rules. It's possible that there is one set of tiebreaker rules for deciding who gets a playoff spot, and another set for deciding who gets home-court advantage. But that would be weird.

Maybe D'Antoni was making another joke, or maybe the person writing the article misunderstood.

Kolo · Mar 27, 2005

elindholm said:
Two-Team Tiebreaker
1. Better record in head-to-head games
2. Higher winning percentage in conference games
3. Higher winning percentage within division (if teams are in the same division)
4. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in own conference
5. Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in opposite conference
6. Higher point differential between points scored and points allowed

There was a report in which D'Antoni said the Suns hold the tiebreaker, so this is confusing, since I'm sure he knows the rules. It's possible that there is one set of tiebreaker rules for deciding who gets a playoff spot, and another set for deciding who gets home-court advantage. But that would be weird.

Maybe D'Antoni was making another joke, or maybe the person writing the article misunderstood.

The tiebreaker he was referring to is #2, which the Suns already have locked up. He learned about that fact before the game but didn't tell the team until afterwards.

elindholm · Mar 27, 2005

The tiebreaker he was referring to is #2, which the Suns already have locked up.

Uh, no. The Heat have the better conference record, as playstation already pointed out. The Suns have clinched a better inter-conference record, but that doesn't seem to be relevant. So something is wrong somewhere; it just isn't clear what.

fordronken · Mar 27, 2005

elindholm said:
The tiebreaker he was referring to is #2, which the Suns already have locked up.

Uh, no. The Heat have the better conference record, as playstation already pointed out. The Suns have clinched a better inter-conference record, but that doesn't seem to be relevant. So something is wrong somewhere; it just isn't clear what.

In the article, it made it sound like it was the record versus the opposing conference. But that's wrong. I think.

Nonetheless, I think I'd rather actually be the road team against Miami, which mostly has to do with the format. If you can steal one of the first two on the road(which shouldn't be very tough), then you've got three straight home games to build a nice advantage.

scudney · Mar 27, 2005

Maybe the rules are different when deciding tiebreakers between teams in different conferences. It would make most sense to compare their records from opposing conferences, because the team who plays in the harder conference should get the tiebreaker.

fordronken · Mar 27, 2005

Also, nice choke job by Dwyane Wade. Not knowing the score during the final play of the game?

Islington · Mar 27, 2005

fordronken said:
Nonetheless, I think I'd rather actually be the road team against Miami, which mostly has to do with the format. If you can steal one of the first two on the road(which shouldn't be very tough), then you've got three straight home games to build a nice advantage.

I disagree. I don't think there has been EVER been a home team that has won the middle three games in a 2-3-2 best of 7 format - in fact, I want to say there has been at least one road team that has swept the three games (Lakers vs Sixers, Iverson vs Kobe/Shaq). And I also think it's pretty tough to beat a good team three straight times.

If I were a home team, I would think that a 1-2-1-1-1-1 would be ideal with the lower seeded team having Game 1 on their home court. Game 1 is easiest to steal and Game 7 would be on your homecourt.

elindholm · Mar 27, 2005

I don't think there has been EVER been a home team that has won the middle three games in a 2-3-2 best of 7 format

There wasn't until last year.

And, yes, there have been at least a couple of cases where the road team swept the middle three games.

sunsfn · Mar 27, 2005

Didn't the Suns lose the first two home games to the lakers in 93, and then go to L.A. and beat the lakers 3 straight and come back home and win?

elindholm · Mar 27, 2005

Didn't the Suns lose the first two home games to the lakers in 93, and then go to L.A. and beat the lakers 3 straight and come back home and win?

The Suns were the higher seed, so Game 5 of that series was back in Phoenix. But yes, they came back after dropping the first two at home.

Ironically, the Suns are also one of the few teams (or perhaps the only one?) to lose a seven-game series after winning the first two on the road. It happened against Houston in '94, unless it was '95, I can never remember for sure.

Billythekid · Mar 28, 2005

elindholm said:
Didn't the Suns lose the first two home games to the lakers in 93, and then go to L.A. and beat the lakers 3 straight and come back home and win?

The Suns were the higher seed, so Game 5 of that series was back in Phoenix. But yes, they came back after dropping the first two at home.

Ironically, the Suns are also one of the few teams (or perhaps the only one?) to lose a seven-game series after winning the first two on the road. It happened against Houston in '94, unless it was '95, I can never remember for sure.

It was 94 when we lost after stealing the 1st two on the road. Won game 1, then game 2 we came from something like 20 back and won in OT. We lost games 3 and 4 in Pho

and game 5 in houston, then won game six and lost in game 7, and CB was ejected.

Then in 95 we blew them out both games in phoenix, got belted in game 3, won a tight game 4. KJ scored 40 something pts. up 3-1. Then lost in OT back at AWA in game 5, then beaten in game 6 and lost by a point in game 7. Still the most heart breaking game i've ever seen. Even more so then game 6 against the bulls.

Cheesebeef · Mar 28, 2005

Billythekid said:
It was 94 when we lost after stealing the 1st two on the road. Won game 1, then game 2 we came from something like 20 back and won in OT. We lost games 3 and 4 in Pho and game 5 in houston, then won game six and lost in game 7, and CB was ejected.

Then in 95 we blew them out both games in phoenix, got belted in game 3, won a tight game 4. KJ scored 40 something pts. up 3-1. Then lost in OT back at AWA in game 5, then beaten in game 6 and lost by a point in game 7. Still the most heart breaking game i've ever seen. Even more so then game 6 against the bulls.

gee - thanks for bringing that all up - why not throw in Mario Freaking Elie blowing a kiss at Jerry Colangelo after he made that killer three to win it. I remember running around my house with a broom after we came back to win Game 2 in Houston that first year. That OT game was ridiculous - down 20 in the fourth, AC Green, continually missing FTs and we still won. We also came back from 18 in the third against them in Game 1 in 94. That just sucked.

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