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I never thought I'd say these words: Dan Bickley has written a pretty good article about Steph...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/0411bickley0411.html

Marbury not impressed by reformed critics

The Arizona Republic
Apr. 11, 2003 12:00 AM


Stephon Marbury has no time for new love.

At least not from quick-trigger critics who questioned his worth, his discipline and his ability to lead a basketball team.

The ones who declared him a lightweight compared with the departed Jason Kidd.

"I laugh at them, because they're cowards," Marbury said. "First they were saying one thing and now they're switching up everything in a year's time, just because we're winning. Well, it doesn't just happen in one year.

"So I laugh at them. They're cowards. They have no backbone. They're spineless jellyfish. That's what I call them."

It's safe to say that Marbury has beaten the rap. That oft-criticized trade with New Jersey doesn't seem so one-sided anymore. In fact, you could make a strong argument that Marbury is having a better season than Kidd in 2002-03.

Kidd is the NBA assist leader at 8.9 per game, but Marbury averages 8.2. Kidd averages 3.1 more rebounds a game, but Marbury averages 3.8 more points.

The Suns point guard has a better shooting percentage, as well as five game-winning shots and another statistic that leaps off the page:

The Suns are on the brink of a playoff berth in a season when expectations were very low. Through 77 games, Marbury's combination of points and assists had accounted for 41.1 percent of the Suns' scoring this season.

In the NBA, only Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant and Gary Payton (while with Seattle) have accounted for more of their teams' outputs.

"I think he's done a good job to kind of quiet a lot of critics," Suns coach Frank Johnson said.

"Steph is going to be All-Pro this year. He's probably going to be second team. And he could have us in the playoffs. What more can you ask?"

Of course, Marbury scoffs at the notion that he has magically transformed into an elite player. In fact, the only improvement from last season's statistics is that he's scoring one more basket per game.

That said, the sudden groundswell of national love is understandable.

In their past three games, the Suns lost in overtime to the Lakers in Los Angeles, disposed of Denver with ease and smoked the Mavericks, considered one of the top three teams in the Western Conference.

It is a basic thought, but the Suns are playing like a very hungry basketball team.

They are cohesive, passionate and fighting like mad for a playoff berth that many have deemed irrelevant. Among many things, this is a sign of strong leadership.

That happened to be Marbury's stated goal at the beginning of the season, to empower his teammates.

"I think I'm doing it," Marbury said. "The guys are playing with a sense of urgency. We're playing hard, and we're playing together. Everybody is on the same page."

Marbury wants fans to know that there are other reasons for the resurgence of a once-sagging franchise. The coaching staff has done a great job, he said, and clearly, the addition of rookie Amare Stoudemire has provided a jolt of energy.

But deep down, Marbury knows this could be his season of victory. A season in which the Suns make the playoffs, and all those who questioned his value are suddenly standing out of bounds.

"They have to take it," Marbury said. "And I'll just laugh and go out and play basketball."
 

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I have actually liked Bickley since I used to listen to is show on Xtra910. But Xtra guttet their programming (thanks! :mad: ) and he is no longer on the air along with some of my favorite hosts. I dont really care for Gambo and Ash.
 

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This article made me laugh

Bickley is one of those bandwagon journalists that Marbury speaks of.
 

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Re: This article made me laugh

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Bickley is one of those bandwagon journalists that Marbury speaks of.

Actually, I believed Dan Bickley was one of the few guys in the valley who really liked the trade and never really questioned it. I think that's right. I know the other one, and I hate to admit this, was John Gambadoro. He really did not like Jason Kidd.

I actually think Stephon Marbury could have handled himself a lot better here. Throughout his stay in Phoenix he has pretty much walked the higher road. He should have done it again and just said that the team did not play as well last year, so I looked like a bad trade. This is the kind of thing that just enforces what the writers have set about him much of the time.

I doubt Stephon Marbury makes the second team all NBA. I think it will look like this:

All NBA:
Shaquille O'Neal
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady

All NBA second team:
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Webber
Jason Kidd
Allen Iverson

All NBA third team:
Brad Miller or Yao Ming
Jermaine O'Neal
Mashburn
Stephon Marbury
Paul Pierce

You can argue that Marbury belongs on the second team, but I don't think the press will vote him in, especially after he calls many of them "spineless jellyfish".

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All NBA second team:
Ben Wallace
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Webber
Jason Kidd
Allen Iverson

All NBA third team:
Brad Miller or Yao Ming
Jermaine O'Neal
Mashburn
Stephon Marbury
Paul Pierce


You might be right in those choices, but I think J. O'Neal should make the second team over Webber. And, like most of us, I think a case could definitely be made for Marbury over Kidd, especially now that Kidd is bitching at his teammates again.

Ilgauskas has to be a candidate for the third team.
 
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Originally posted by elindholm
And, like most of us, I think a case could definitely be made for Marbury over Kidd, especially now that Kidd is bitching at his teammates again.


You're right, but my brain realistically tells me that it will never happen, the media still loves Jason Kidd.
 

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I think J. O'Neal should make the second team over Webber.


Have to disagree here - Webber leads his team in points, rebounds and assists. That's pretty special in my opinion...
 

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Re: Re: This article made me laugh

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Actually, I believed Dan Bickley was one of the few guys in the valley who really liked the trade and never really questioned it. I think that's right. I know the other one, and I hate to admit this, was John Gambadoro. He really did not like Jason Kidd.

Joe Mama

You mean he doesn't really like the suns! Gambo came into the nba hoops chat one night when I was in there and I said don't you have some bogus article to write? and he I/M me asking if I was still upset about the jason Kidd trade, and he had no Idea who I was or even if I was a suns fan.and rambled on about the suns missing the playoffs while NJ was playing for the championship again, so I'm Quite sure he was not upset about the trade, Because he is a jason kidd fan now!
 

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Re: Re: Re: This article made me laugh

Originally posted by zett
You mean he doesn't really like the suns! Gambo came into the nba hoops chat one night when I was in there and I said don't you have some bogus article to write? and he I/M me asking if I was still upset about the jason Kidd trade, and he had no Idea who I was or even if I was a suns fan.and rambled on about the suns missing the playoffs while NJ was playing for the championship again, so I'm Quite sure he was not upset about the trade, Because he is a jason kidd fan now!

I guess basketball wise he didn't think it ended up being a good trade, but I know he wanted to Kidd traded for his off the court troubles. I still remember him on Channel 12's Sports Tonight in "the pit" telling Jerry Colangelo to trade Jason Kidd no matter what.

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Yao Ming on the third team???

That's crazytalk.

He only really had one good stage midway through the season, and hasn't really done much at either end of it.

I dont think he should get rookie of the year either, Amare should (and i aint a suns fan by the way).

Though i guess if the publicity surrounding him can get him the ROY, then it can get him into the All NBA third team.
 

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Yeah i didn't think Yao Ming should make third team either. Brad Miller should definately make it over him.
 

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Originally posted by PhiLLmattiC
Yeah i didn't think Yao Ming should make third team either. Brad Miller should definately make it over him.

OK. I know I am the one who said that Brad Miller might have been a better choice for third team NBA, but now I would give it to Yao Ming. Their numbers are almost identical, but Ming garners a whole lot more attention from opposing defenses. Miller plays in a frontcourt with Jermaine O'Neal, so he is constantly left open to shoot midrange shots.

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