Here is something to spark a new round of ASU vs UofA

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Huh? Just because you say so? Go ahead and tell the NCAA that they're wrong, since they're the ones who credit ASU with 2 Co-Nartional Championships in football. I'm sure they will recognize the error in their ways.

No, they don't. The NCAA doesn't recognize any National Championship in Division 1-A football, that's a widely known fact in the college football world. Other governing bodies do, but the ones that credit ASU aren't considered valid by anyone other than you and a couple other delusional fanatics. I think you'd even find that only a small minority of ASU fans will admit they won two National Championships in the '70s.

 

[mesacat]

dang, does azballer ever sleep? he's been posting all nite

 

[Skkorpion]

So Miami and ASU have comparable recruiting bases? Didn't think so, plus the U has tradition.

Miami, in its glory days, never ranked high in recruiting, but still found better athletes than anybody else, and the players never had to worry about going to class or being declared ineligible.

The stadium Miami played in was in a ghetto where no visiting fans wanted to take a car or themselves.

Miami tradition? Never had any before Howard Scnellenberger. ASU has a much longer tradition of success within its successive conferences and a longer history of high fan attendance than does Miami. Recently, Miami has had national championships, a level ASU has never reached.

As far as recruiting bases, Florida and California are comparable.

 

[AZBALLER]

dang, does azballer ever sleep? he's been posting all nite

Thanks for worrying about my sleeping schedule, but when you work in the restaurant industry you keep slightly different hours than 9-5 people...Was there anything productive you wanted to add to the discussion?

 

[AZBALLER]

No, they don't. The NCAA doesn't recognize any National Championship in Division 1-A football, that's a widely known fact in the college football world. Other governing bodies do, but the ones that credit ASU aren't considered valid by anyone other than you and a couple other delusional fanatics. I think you'd even find that only a small minority of ASU fans will admit they won two National Championships in the '70s.

Just because you say so?
Also the Sporting News recognizes 1 ASU National championship in football...but hey, when a wildcat is talking about football, they must know what they're talking about

 

[mesacat]

Thanks for worrying about my sleeping schedule, but when you work in the restaurant industry you keep slightly different hours than 9-5 people...Was there anything productive you wanted to add to the discussion?

yeah, which dennys are you waiting tables at? i'll make sure not to go there.

 

[SECTION 11]

Just because you say so?
Also the Sporting News recognizes 1 ASU National championship in football...but hey, when a wildcat is talking about football, they must know what they're talking about

I'm an ASU backer, and all I can say is... no. ASU has never won a national championship. You're totally reaching with this.

 

[SECTION 11]

According to this logic there's been about 85 national champions over the last 20 years. Per Larry's NCAA Weekly, Bob's Football Report, et al. This is silly.

 

[Gaddabout]

Didn't think so, plus the U has tradition.

Miami's tradition starts in 1980. The year before that boosters had to toss in a bazillion dollars and bring in the Devil Incarnate as coach to convince the president not to kill the program. Then the boosters and Lucifer had to convince one of the more stingy admission staffs that it was good for the school to let in athletes Miami-Dade CC was turning away.

That tradition is very short and it was bought and paid for many times over. Miami alums will tell you about about the rich doctor alums who brought buckets of money to the AD's doorstep to build that program. Personally, I don't think it's any coincidence that the city's rise as the Cocaine Capitol of the Free World and the school's rise as a megarich athletic department coincided at exactly the same time, but I'm just a fan speculating about how an otherwise proud private school with a horrible football tradition could all of a sudden discover football talent in their backyard and get them into their school. I mean, Alabama annihilated them with that same Dade County talent in 1978 which was what put the program on the brink of extinction in the first place. Do you think they just woke up one day with a lot of money and football insight? And even with all their recent championships, they still only draw about 40,000 people for a big game in their dump of a stadium, so all of those die-hards must be big ballas donating all of that money, right?

But I guess that's not what this thread was about.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Five National Championships over thirty years is tradition regardless of how it was done.

 

[Skkorpion]

Trying to bring this thread back on track, and addressing the ASU and UA prospects this year and future years:

1. I like the way Stoops is trying to build the UA program. UA has a good chance of finishing 2nd or 3rd in the PAC this year (USC is too good to not win the PAC) and end up being ranked somewhere between 18 and 25 in the BCS poll.
Next year, UA might even be better. If they are, then Stoops will leave and UA will have to hire a new coach. Stoops will have left the program in good shape.

2. ASU will struggle a bit this year and finish about 4th in the PAC. By next year, Erickson will have ASU in the top 20. In year 3, at minimum, ASU will be a serious BCS bowl contender and will be a top ten BCS poll team. With luck, they will be a national championship contender.
Year 4? ASU will be under NCAA investigation for various violations and docked a few recruit numbers as the penalty for cheating.
Won't matter. ASU will shrug it off, just as Oklahoma will, and will remain a top 20 fixture, even after Erickson leaves or is forced out.

 

[Gaddabout]

2. ASU will struggle a bit this year and finish about 4th in the PAC. By next year, Erickson will have ASU in the top 20. In year 3, at minimum, ASU will be a serious BCS bowl contender and will be a top ten BCS poll team. With luck, they will be a national championship contender.
Year 4? ASU will be under NCAA investigation for various violations and docked a few recruit numbers as the penalty for cheating.
Won't matter. ASU will shrug it off, just as Oklahoma will, and will remain a top 20 fixture, even after Erickson leaves or is forced out.

This one's interesting to me. Why do you think ASU will be hit with NCAA penalties? The only time an Erickson program has even been in trouble with the NCAA was at Miami, and the NCAA's own investigators actually referred to Erickson in their report in positive light. The problems were endemic to the athletic department (see my post above about Miami) and not Erickson.

Not that ASU has a great history in this department, but I would actually be shocked if ASU commits serious violations like their past under the current AD or football coach. Same goes for the basketball program.

Now, ASU might set a record for 15-yard penalties. That much I understand because it's an Erickson tradition.

 

[Skkorpion]

Gadd, it's not Erickson, it's ASU. The school has a long and proud history of cheating in virtually every sport, every decade, in every conceivable way.

When I was there, All-American LB Vernon Maxwell was enrolled in my marketing class. He never attended a single class. I met him in the prof's office, taking his final in private, when I stopped in to check on when the grades would be posted.