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[Red Air Force]

Dolphins | Ogunleye Looking for Offer - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:09:52 -0800

The Miami Herald reports Miami Dolphins restricted free agent DE Adewale Ogunleye's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said the Dolphins haven't made an offer to Ogunleye yet and that his client has no intention of signing the one-year tender offer the team gave him. Rosenhaus wants the Dolphins to either sign him to a long-term deal or trade him. He reiterated that playing for the one-year tender is not an option.

If we had any thoughts of making a run at Og, this should make it much easier, and significantly lower the Fins selling price from a 1st and 3rd.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
If we had any thoughts of making a run at Og, this should make it much easier, and significantly lower the Fins selling price from a 1st and 3rd.

I'll give the Fins this years 2nd round pick and a conditional 3rd that can be a 2nd if he reaches a sack/tackles category.

 

[Assface]

Ogunleye/Berry across from each other would be awesome. How many sacks did the Cards finish with last year? Don't those 2 have more sacks than our entire D combined?

 

[pinnacle]

berry had more sacks than our entire defensive line (not entire defense)...I thought we had 21 total sacks last year (if you include entire defense - not just lineman) - but that is what I remember..could be wrong.

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by pinnacle
berry had more sacks than our entire defensive line (not entire defense)...I thought we had 21 total sacks last year (if you include entire defense - not just lineman) - but that is what I remember..could be wrong.

Berry/Ogunleye = about 26 sacks I think. That's 5 more than our whole team. I vote we trade for Imgonnalayu Onyourback.

 

[CardinalChris]

Originally posted by Assface
Berry/Ogunleye = about 26 sacks I think. That's 5 more than our whole team. I vote we trade for Imgonnalayu Onyourback.

That name may be the single funniest thing I have read this month.... and maybe last month....

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is interesting. I'd throw our second this year, and a conditional pick in next year's draft. The conditional pick could be as high as another 2nd rounder.

Getting a legitimate pass rusher is worth it.

 

[vikesfan]

Try to palm off the #2 pick on them. Now that Berry is here you should not give up the #1 pick for him. Before Berry got here I would have given MIA a #1 for him.

A team like MIN (that is desperate for a DE) who drafts Round 1 at #19 should give a Round 1 and Round 3 for him straight up. And the Cards can't match that. If the Cards score this kid it would be a steal - other teams would have to drop the ball.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Try to palm off the #2 pick on them. Now that Berry is here you should not give up the #1 pick for him. Before Berry got here I would have given MIA a #1 for him.

A team like MIN (that is desperate for a DE) who drafts Round 1 at #19 should give a Round 1 and Round 3 for him straight up. And the Cards can't match that. If the Cards score this kid it would be a steal - other teams would have to drop the ball.

That's way too much to give up, when you look at what other teams have traded for "stars" in the past.

If Marshall Faulk can be had for a 2nd rounder, Ogunleye can be too.

 

[CardShark]

How about trading our second and Pace?

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by CardShark
How about trading our second and Pace?

That sounds good to me.

 

[vikesfan]

Faulk was never going to play for INDI they dumped him for a 2.

Just because a team made a mistake or was desperate or hit it lucky in the past doesn't mean anything.

Take a look at how many 1st round picks flat out bust. Then take a look at how many 3rd round picks flat out bust. Look at how many become good players. Look at how many become great players. And then look how many become pro-bowlers. Then take a look at DEs. Then take a look #19 picks and higher.

If you can get a YOUNG PRO BOWL 15 sack man for a first round pick at #19 and a third rounder. And you have no legitimate DE on the team.
You do it.

 

[CardShark]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Faulk was never going to play for INDI they dumped him for a 2.

Just because a team made a mistake or was desperate or hit it lucky in the past doesn't mean anything.

Take a look at how many 1st round picks flat out bust. Then take a look at how many 3rd round picks flat out bust. Look at how many become good players. Look at how many become great players. And then look how many become pro-bowlers. Then take a look at DEs. Then take a look #19 picks and higher.

If you can get a YOUNG PRO BOWL 15 sack man for a first round pick at #19 and a third rounder. And you have no legitimate DE on the team.
You do it.

Why don't you break those down into numbers that we can look at and see if there is a trend?

 

[SMAC]

The best trade for both teams would be for the Cards to send their second round choice (#33) and their second pick in 2005 for the rights to Ogunleye. Miami doesn't have a pick in the second round this year or next year. If the Cardinals must have a second they can always trade down from the third spot to get back into the round. Most of us believe Arizona must address the CB issue and some of you want to keep #33 for that corner, but keep in mind the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A pass rush causes disruption of passing lanes which leads to turnovers and better overall defense. With the addition of Berry and Ogunleye the Cards will be set in the rush department.

 

[Brian]

Originally posted by SMAC
The best trade for both teams would be for the Cards to send their second round choice (#33) and their second pick in 2005 for the rights to Ogunleye. Miami doesn't have a pick in the second round this year or next year. If the Cardinals must have a second they can always trade down from the third spot to get back into the round. Most of us believe Arizona must address the CB issue and some of you want to keep #33 for that corner, but keep in mind the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A pass rush causes disruption of passing lanes which leads to turnovers and better overall defense. With the addition of Berry and Ogunleye the Cards will be set in the rush department.

Exactly what he said!!!!!



Too bad your name isn't Rod Graves.

I hate to be Mr. Negative, but for some strange reason I feel like all of this speculation is a pipe dream. When was the last time the Cards did something creative and came out on top?

With the current management that is.

Putting together a deal to get this kid (who I am a BIG fan of) is something other teams do.

Sometimes I really hate my reality checks. Somebody ban me!

 

[Toro]

Originally posted by SMAC
The best trade for both teams would be for the Cards to send their second round choice (#33) and their second pick in 2005 for the rights to Ogunleye. Miami doesn't have a pick in the second round this year or next year. If the Cardinals must have a second they can always trade down from the third spot to get back into the round. Most of us believe Arizona must address the CB issue and some of you want to keep #33 for that corner, but keep in mind the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A pass rush causes disruption of passing lanes which leads to turnovers and better overall defense. With the addition of Berry and Ogunleye the Cards will be set in the rush department.

 

[Toro]

Originally posted by SMAC
The best trade for both teams would be for the Cards to send their second round choice (#33) and their second pick in 2005 for the rights to Ogunleye. Miami doesn't have a pick in the second round this year or next year. If the Cardinals must have a second they can always trade down from the third spot to get back into the round. Most of us believe Arizona must address the CB issue and some of you want to keep #33 for that corner, but keep in mind the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A pass rush causes disruption of passing lanes which leads to turnovers and better overall defense. With the addition of Berry and Ogunleye the Cards will be set in the rush department.

I like it. It makes sense for both teams.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by azdad1978
That sounds good to me.

Very good.