Hey, dad, can I see your check??
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Based on what metrics? Determined by whom? Every student gets an A and I get a pay raise..
You show me a teacher and I'll show you why they are underpaid.
Sorry for the hijack.
Didn't you say this was an informal exchange? Why would everything have to further an argument?"Acting like babies" or "Infantile" Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Playing semantics doesnt further an argument either, only makes one look pompous and decreases credibility.
Cute adage. But if the upfront money portion was the only issue agreed upon at this point, and other issues such as an prolonged schedule were still at a stalemate, wouldnt we be in the same position we're at now? If you've been paying any attention to the CBA debacle, you'd know there were several issues which need to be sorted through.
So using your adage, the roles of crocodiles and flies would be reversed.
A simpleton would understand this, right?
TJ
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You evidently think that the list of so called concessions by owners have all been negotiated and agreed upon. They haven't.
They are still simply pieces on the bargaining chessboard and all subject to final agreement on whether the owners get $1B or $750M or $500M, whatever figure, off the top. That number will dictate whether all or some of these issues remain as presently put forward.
That one side or the other puts out a self serving communiqué at the 11th hour is common practice, and simply designed to get the constituency (fans in this case) to see their position as reasonable, etc. It's evidently working at this point.
Side table issues are not unimportant in the final instance, but the first instance remains finding a multi-billion dollar figure that both parties can live with.
The adage remains as originally put. While you are swatting at flies, the crocodile is about to chew off your gonads.
And evidently you assume that the players aren't using any PR tactics whatsoever. Like the "diabolical" owners are brainwashing the public so we can turn on the players.
Drew Brees must be in your head.
All of this while the players continue to make accusations, outlandish analogies and foolish demands. None of these are self serving in your opinion?
Let me break it to you. The players are going to be the ones who tell you they were slighted at the table, regardless of what was or was not agreed upon. And if you wish to acknowledge that, then so be it. That's your choice. But if you are going to continue to call the owner's media releases simple PR tactics, you also have to consider how the players have responded in this debacle. "Modern Day Slavery" "Pash is a liar" "Boycott The Draft" ERRRRRRRR I meant "Modify the Draft"
Yea you're right. Players are engaging in no PR tactics
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Let me break it to you. The players are going to be the ones who tell you they were slighted at the table, regardless of what was or was not agreed upon. And if you wish to acknowledge that, then so be it. That's your choice. But if you are going to continue to call the owner's media releases simple PR tactics, you also have to consider how the players have responded in this debacle. "Modern Day Slavery" "Pash is a liar" "Boycott The Draft" ERRRRRRRR I meant "Modify the Draft"
Yea you're right. Players are engaging in no PR tactics
Agreed.
I have no problem with people taking one side or another. That is fine.
But, let's call a spade a spade. This sham that the players are being locked out forcably, that they "want to play", that they "care about the game & the fans" is ridiculous.
If they cared & want to play, then they extend negotiations and get something done.
Nope. They want money. Any way they can get it, and could care less about the damage to all those issues the "care about" to get it.
No better or worse than the owners across from them.
I believe in private educations and eliminating public school systems so theres no argument from me. School in the projects where teachers are babysitters rather than teachers they still make 30+ a year for working 8-9 months a year and it all comes from us. The entire govt education system is flawed and we are stuck with it until something is done.
Yes, if your class excels more than another class there should be a slidinbg pay scale, im all for it.
Then again, I am a salesman and thrive on opportuniy to maximise my paycheck, if everyone should make the same there is no commitment to excellence.
WildBB
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Got to disagree. They didn't want to LOSE money. 80% of the NFL IS DOING VERY VERY WELL.
This has been a colusion to get the players to pay for the 20% of teams that struggle on a yearly basis and the divying up of revenue sharing amoung the haves and have nots. It should be stricktly up to the teams to foot that rev sharing bill.
The owners made their play, and it collapsed when the judge ruled against them on the tv revenue deal they had bargained for in the event of the impending lockout. That's when the tides turned. The owners don't want to be held accountable but for vague ambiguous profitability numbers they're willing to throw out there.
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Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Now that is so wrong that you probably want to take it back. Teachers in the projects have an easy babysitting job, you say? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say they should make more money in the inner-city, since they pretty much walk into war zones when they enter their work place. I've known a few teachers that started in such locales, and they deserve hazard pay.
Owners can and do hire other players all the time. If you do not play well then pack your bags. Works like that at my place of business. There is no tenure in the NFL or in my office.
no, they dont teach much and spend more time babysitting. The results of your students should affect your pay, working in the projects means you are paid less as their grades will be much poorer than a nice neighborhood. Gives you something to shoot for - a job in a nicer neighborhood, more educated and willing children and more teaching involved.
I dont believe it would be easy at all but I dont think they should make as much as a high performing teacher with over performing students.
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And evidently you assume that the players aren't using any PR tactics whatsoever. Like the "diabolical" owners are brainwashing the public so we can turn on the players.
Drew Brees must be in your head.
All of this while the players continue to make accusations, outlandish analogies and foolish demands. None of these are self serving in your opinion?
Let me break it to you. The players are going to be the ones who tell you they were slighted at the table, regardless of what was or was not agreed upon. And if you wish to acknowledge that, then so be it. That's your choice. But if you are going to continue to call the owner's media releases simple PR tactics, you also have to consider how the players have responded in this debacle. "Modern Day Slavery" "Pash is a liar" "Boycott The Draft" ERRRRRRRR I meant "Modify the Draft"
Yea you're right. Players are engaging in no PR tactics
I wasn't addressing this issue, so I can't see how you could come to this conclusion. Of course they both will include PR in the phony before the camera wars. Something I largely ignore.
What we have are proposals, not agreements at this point. And these proposals are contingent on agreeing on the extra money the teams will take off the top.
Let me break it to you: It's that simple... that difficult... that complex.
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You should probably stop spouting this kind of nonsense until you actually find out what's going on in these schools. It's not the teachers' fault that their students are selling $1 ******** in the basement of their schools, as what happened with one of my friends who was in Teach for America in a DC school.
How do you expect to attract the best teachers to underperforming schools if you decide to pay inner-city teachers less? Maybe we should just teach these kids to stitch soccer balls instead of reading and writing.
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I would show my kids my paycheck. I don't see the big deal about it. The owners say the status quo had to change, you'd think they would want to prove it.
the best teachers should not be at inner city schools. If the teachers qualifications only get them the $1 ******* class, maybe they need more experience to get to the $50 ******* class.
I know what goes on in the schools so as far as your opinion to "spouting nonsence" My opinion says the same as yours. Care to see who can piss further?
If your teaching credentials and experience land you the worst teaching job in the city, why should you make as much as the best job in the city? I dont believe in the word "fair" if you want more money, earn it. Show resuklts never seen by the dollar BJ queen, that enough will get you promoted to a better school system.
If you read before, I dont believe in public education and think it should all be privatized. My funds shouldnt go toward teaching your welfare kids how to spell ebonics. My funds should be going to giving MY CHILD the best education I can.
your child sees your check and thinks you are rich even if you make 15k a year. Showing your child your paycheck just gives them the wrong idea on everything.
I think there would be no 18 game schedule for two years and then only if the players agreed. If there is an 18 game schedule then I think in this case the players have a case to want more pay as playing in a real game is not like playing in an exhibition game. I would suggest a pay increase in an amount equal to the owners increased revenue less expenses to be adjusted every two years. With an 18 game schedule the owners could demand less money off the top of the 9 billion. They started with 2 billion which they quickly reduced to 1 billion. On there last and final offer it was down to 600 million. I would guess that most of the owners were making less than they previously have or they would not have risked a walkout and shutdown out of pure greed. They are not that dumb. Can you imagine asking the players to reduce their salaries? That would go over like a lead ballon. The owners are not asking for a reduction in player salaries but less of an increase due to increased revenue.
I would think that expenses for the owners have increased significantly just as it has for individuals and businesses. Fuel, power, transportation, increase in both medical and liability insurance, etc. etc. all add up to increased cost for the owners. They are making a lot of money and are asking to continue to make a lot of money. The players continue to make a lot of money and are worried they are not getting even more money from increased revenues. From a strictly business point of view I certainly can see where the owners increased expenses would want them to take more off of the top. The way most businesses reduce expenses is to cut personnel. That of course does not work with players so the overhead just has to continue to go up. Take a look at just air transportation and insurance. You can bet that insurance for loss of business and earthquakes will drastically go up. Some of these teams are located in earthquake zones.
What business has not seen an increase in expenses? Ask those 9% of those unemployed workers about why they no longer have jobs? I would surely like to be good enough to work in the NFL or MLB and make the money they do. I would be thankful everyday of my life. Yes they face injury but so did I when flying over North Vietnam for $40,000 a year. I could not go on strike, I could not quit, my salary was what it was, I knew all this going in and was both happy and proud to have this job. I would do it all over again.
The players worked hard to get where they are and so did the owners in most cases. I wonder if they all appreciate just how fortunate they are to be looked upon as heroes or great business men? They will not be so great if they cannot arrive at some agreement as to how to split up 9 billion dollars. Some of these people make 10-$20 million a year. I cannot even fathom how you would spend that much money. I cannot even wrap my brain around such numbers. If you made $20 million a year less 35% in taxes you would have to spend almost $36,000 a day for 365 days a year. Peyton is going to want a lot more than $20 mil a year. How about ARod type money or perhaps part ownership of the franchise?
If the players are slaves, as Adrian says, just why do they not start their own football league. Most are rich by the average guys standards. If they could generate 9 billion a year they should be able to start their own league. Reason being they are not that smart and would end up fighting with each other over money. Overhead to these guys is a new Mercedes, three wives who demand alimony, and a group of hangars on. They could not agree on much of anything. In the NBA you would have a child in every league city to support. Yes I am lumping them altogether which is wrong but you get the idea.
This makes no sense. I went to public schools in relatively poor hoods. Why shouldn't kids in those neighborhoods get the same chance at a good education? Don't we want to help people in those hoods get an education to get out of the hood?
Man, what your opinion on this sucks.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Wow, you're just a raging ass. So we should pay crap wages to inner-city teachers, so that we get the lowest possible ability teachers to teach there. Of course there will never be any improvement in those schools, because they would then have crap for teachers. You know, I think we'd be better served to just close inner-city schools and tell the kids that they just don't deserve an education. I think that would be a little more humane than your idiotic proposal.
It isn't about lousy teachers being stuck in the inner-city jobs; it's about trying to recruit better teachers to help those kids, to better their education, and to help give them a chance to make something of their lives. But yeah, I guess punishing teachers for going to the inner-city would make waaaay more sense
Your post is possibly the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this site. It is by far the cruelest and most heartless. Congratulations.
Wow, you're just a raging ass. So we should pay crap wages to inner-city teachers, so that we get the lowest possible ability teachers to teach there. Of course there will never be any improvement in those schools, because they would then have crap for teachers. You know, I think we'd be better served to just close inner-city schools and tell the kids that they just don't deserve an education. I think that would be a little more humane than your idiotic proposal.
It isn't about lousy teachers being stuck in the inner-city jobs; it's about trying to recruit better teachers to help those kids, to better their education, and to help give them a chance to make something of their lives. But yeah, I guess punishing teachers for going to the inner-city would make waaaay more sense
Yep.
yamon
so if a teacher who is not in the inner city breaks all records with a class and excells well above demand, they should get the same wage as a failing class?
All i am doing is proposing pay scales for a system i think is crap anyway. My kids go to private school, I pay for their education, everyone else should do the same.
I do not approve of public school systems, they are a collosal failure. I went to public school as a kid and remember some schools being in classes where the teachers literally did nothing and let the class go nbuts all day. Should she make the same as a great teacher? Like I said ive been in sales my whole life so I see major opportunity with sliding scale commissions on teacher salaries to promote competition and excellence.
I dont think any of my money should go to the inner city, put that in your pipe and smoke it. Against ALL social program tax monies.
6 month cap on welfare maximum, deport all illegals, rely on you and your family, not your government.
All i am doing is proposing pay scales for a system i think is crap anyway. My kids go to private school, I pay for their education, everyone else should do the same.
I do not approve of public school systems, they are a collosal failure. I went to public school as a kid and remember some schools being in classes where the teachers literally did nothing and let the class go nbuts all day. Should she make the same as a great teacher? Like I said ive been in sales my whole life so I see major opportunity with sliding scale commissions on teacher salaries to promote competition and excellence.
I dont think any of my money should go to the inner city, put that in your pipe and smoke it. Against ALL social program tax monies.
6 month cap on welfare maximum, deport all illegals, rely on you and your family, not your government.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Unless you live in or near the inner city, it isn't, so stop whining about it. I can understand your frustration with the system, but privatizing all education? Brother, you're talking about creating an upper class and a peasant class. Most middle class and lower families could never afford to do that, unless they take only the property taxes they already pay and get that quality education you're espousing. And being able to swing that isn't very likely.
But, I should cut myself off. This is a volatile topic that belongs in the political forum.
