Hi, I'm new and have a question

[49ersfan]

I am from another site (walterfootball.com) where we are doing a forum mock draft. Unfortunately, the cards representative hasn't shown up yet. Please say who the cardinals should pick. Thank you.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm thinking Whiz will want to add to our d-line for some QB pressure. Calais Campbell seems to be a good fit.

 

[Second Deck]

Who are the niners fans suggesting the 9ers take?

 

[49ersfan]

Mix between Harvey, Groves, and top WR left.

 

[49ersfan]

nevermind, the guy finally showed up. That said, who would you take.

 

[49ersfan]

The guy selected Stewart. Comments?

 

[JerkFace]

Given those options that's who I'd take.

 

[AsUdUdE]

If Talib is on the board at 16... hes the obvious pick......

But he won't be, and Stewart is a solid pick....

 

[JerkFace]

If Talib is on the board at 16... hes the obvious pick......

But he won't be, and Stewart is a solid pick....

I realize that Talib gets a great break on the ball, but I will still be very interested to see his 40 time. We already have too many slow cb's, we need a burner who can keep up with the Steve Smith's of the world.

 

[49ersfan]

Talib was available. You can debate this at walterfootball.com/forum as well.

 

[JerkFace]

Talib was available. You can debate this at walterfootball.com/forum as well.

I realize it is all for fun, but your forum mock draft lost its credibility as soon as trades were allowed. Some of the trades are down right laughable. You guys should definitely do another one that doesn't involve trades.

 

[49ersfan]

We're may restart, and we will certainly limit trades.

 

[JerkFace]

We're may restart, and we will certainly limit trades.

I've been lurking in your forum. i think having a mock that limits the trades to the trade point chart is a good idea......more realistic

 

[49ersfan]

You and anyone else can join, we have a vibrant community.

 

[BigRedMO]

Considering James rushed for 1,200 yds picking Stewart or any RB does not improve the team the way a #1 pick should for next year. I want the playoffs next year not in 2-3 years. Marginal improvement (400yds net improvement over 1,200) at RB at best for next year does not address a defense that allowed 3rd most points in NFC. Offense scored 3rd most. Team gets plenty of points.

 

[vinnymac]

Considering James rushed for 1,200 yds picking Stewart or any RB does not improve the team the way a #1 pick should for next year. I want the playoffs next year not in 2-3 years. Marginal improvement at RB at best for next year. Does not address a defense that allowed 3rd most points in NFC. Offense scored 3rd most. Teams gets plenty of points.

The RB position is the easist position to pick up in the NFL. So picking up a runningback in the 2nd or 3rd round would be a good move by the Cardinals. Personally I feel the Cardinals should pick up an DL or a OL in the first round.

 

[BigRedMO]

The RB position is the easist position to pick up in the NFL. So picking up a runningback in the 2nd or 3rd round would be a good move by the Cardinals. Personally I feel the Cardinals should pick up an DL or a OL in the first round.

I am hesitant to list backs to show the failures of high picks in the NFL because you can always find failed players to illustrate any point you want. I will make the arguement that Reggie Bush is a bust as a #1. For a #1 RB I want Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell or Ottis Anderson. 1,200+ yds a season rushing, 20+ carries a game, can run the ball inside or outside and catches passes.

However, There have been many early RB picks who have failed. Jones, Arrington in AZ, Benson, Ricky Williams, etc.

I think you find the best prospects you can at a position you need and hope for the best. I would think linemen would have a very shallow learning curve too. I think because so many RBs are being tauted it is driving people in that direction. RBs have shorter careers on average than linemen and this team really needs to find a way to limit opponent points. Imagine this team's record if it had allowed 25% fewer points. Every resource should be used on improving the defense. If I went offense it would be linemen.

 

[BigRedMO]

I will make the arguement that Reggie Bush is a bust as a #1. For a #1 RB I want Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell or Ottis Anderson. 1,200+ yds a season rushing, 20+ carries a game for 4+ yds per carry , can run the ball inside or outside and catches passes.

 

[DoTheDew]

I will make the arguement that Reggie Bush is a bust as a #1. For a #1 RB I want Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell or Ottis Anderson. 1,200+ yds a season rushing, 20+ carries a game for 4+ yds per carry , can run the ball inside or outside and catches passes.

So basically be very very slightly better than what Edge has been in YPC for us and the same otherwise?

 

[JerkFace]

The only reason i am for drafting a rb with the first pick is because i don't think players like gholston, clady, harvey etc. will be available. I would rather get a stud rb like stewart or mendenhall than reach for a player like groves, otah or a player of their quality.

 

[Darth Llama]

The guy selected Stewart. Comments?

That guy is wise!

 

[BigRedMO]

So basically be very very slightly better than what Edge has been in YPC for us and the same otherwise?

I think James is perfectly serviceable. He is like my car. It is a 2000 BMW 323 coupe. I have held on to it too long for it to make sense to trade it in. I am better off driving it till the wheels fall off because the trade in is not that great compared to trading it in a couple years ago. Nobody sees any trade value in James but he gives us 1,200 yards.

The difference between 3.8 and 4.4 a carry over a season or career is huge. Anderson in his Cards yrs between 79 and 86 rushed for 4.3 yards a carry. If James had only played in AZ he would not be a HOF back. He is good enough so that all resources should be focused on greater needs. Someday it would be nice to have another Ottis Anderson. Not next year.

 

[DoTheDew]

I think James is perfectly serviceable. He is like my car. It is a 2000 BMW 323 coupe. I have held on to it too long for it to make sense to trade it in. I am better off driving it till the wheels fall off because the trade in is not that great compared to trading it in a couple years ago. Nobody sees any trade value in James but he gives us 1,200 yards.

The difference between 3.8 and 4.4 a carry over a season or career is huge. Anderson in his Cards yrs between 79 and 86 rushed for 4.3 yards a carry. If James had only played in AZ he would not be a HOF back. He is good enough so that all resources should be focused on greater needs. Someday it would be nice to have another Ottis Anderson. Not next year.

I agree, however we could theoretically address all of our defensive needs in free agency (it wont happen with this front office, but its mathematically possible) if that happened, then and only then does drafting a RB in round one look like the perfect idea.

 

[Sandan]

I seem to remember the pundits here and in the media telling me how Rggie Bush was a once in a decade opportunity ?

 

[vinnymac]

I am hesitant to list backs to show the failures of high picks in the NFL because you can always find failed players to illustrate any point you want. I will make the arguement that Reggie Bush is a bust as a #1. For a #1 RB I want Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell or Ottis Anderson. 1,200+ yds a season rushing, 20+ carries a game, can run the ball inside or outside and catches passes.

However, There have been many early RB picks who have failed. Jones, Arrington in AZ, Benson, Ricky Williams, etc.

I think you find the best prospects you can at a position you need and hope for the best. I would think linemen would have a very shallow learning curve too. I think because so many RBs are being tauted it is driving people in that direction. RBs have shorter careers on average than linemen and this team really needs to find a way to limit opponent points. Imagine this team's record if it had allowed 25% fewer points. Every resource should be used on improving the defense. If I went offense it would be linemen.

I should rephrase my statement before. The RB position transfer the easiest from college to pro level. We could list RB that excelled from the later rounds as well as back who just didn't cut it. To me a player makes himself good. They do it by training and studing all the time. They have a lot of heart and will to succeed. They have the mindset that failure is not a option.

I do agree with when you say that if the Cardinals go offense in the first round they should draft an OL. I also agree that defense is priorty this offseason. Mainly the defensive line. The Cardinals need two DE who can get pressure on the QB. To me that is the biggest weakness on this Cardinal team.