Hightower loses starting job or Whis loses credibility

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One problem as I see games unfold is that Timmy is getting better calls more suitable for him, and often times calls for plays that our line is much better at pulling off. How many times have we seen Beanie come in for a "pound it up the middle" play when our line has pretty regularly proven it is not capable of that sort of run? How many times has Beanie come in only to have the hole stuffed and be hit for a loss before he can even find a crease? I see it more often than I do with Timmy.
 

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Look at it this way, Hightower & Wells are more productive than James, Smith, Shipp were as our featured backs--both backs are averaging over 4 yards a carry. We are moving forward...more talent at the position.

I personally think Wells is more talented but at the same time you can't dismiss Hightower's improvement and production this season.

The fumbles are a killer and the RB coach should take a personal interest in making sure it gets fixed by both guys. It can be fixed, Tiki Barber did it and he had like 10 fumbles a season like 4 straight seasons.
 
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Why is everyone calling Hightower HT? Does he have a new nickname that I haven't heard about? Shouldn't it be TH?
 

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Why is everyone calling Hightower HT? Does he have a new nickname that I haven't heard about? Shouldn't it be TH?
I refer to Hightower as "THT."

To me, the only difference between the 2 backs is that (a) Beanie is bigger, more powerful and harder to bring down after initial contact while THT is quicker but easier* than Beanie to bring down after contact.

* I said "easier than Beanie" not "easy" to bring down.

One other thing - Hightower is more experienced as a pass receiver and has caught several times the number of passes that Beanie has caught. That doesn't mean that Beanie can't catch out of the backfield or that he eventually will be a better receiving RB than THT. It just means that Hightower has more experience doing this and, therefore, might be considered more reliable.

Ditto blitz pickup.

Final point - It's easy to forget that one RB has one year worth of experience and the other is a rookie. This separates the two guys in the "here & now" but could all change as they each improve in their own unique way in the future.
 

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I refer to Hightower as "THT."

To me, the only difference between the 2 backs is that (a) Beanie is bigger, more powerful and harder to bring down after initial contact while THT is quicker but easier* than Beanie to bring down after contact.

* I said "easier than Beanie" not "easy" to bring down.

One other thing - Hightower is more experienced as a pass receiver and has caught several times the number of passes that Beanie has caught. That doesn't mean that Beanie can't catch out of the backfield or that he eventually will be a better receiving RB than THT. It just means that Hightower has more experience doing this and, therefore, might be considered more reliable.

Ditto blitz pickup.

Final point - It's easy to forget that one RB has one year worth of experience and the other is a rookie. This separates the two guys in the "here & now" but could all change as they each improve in their own unique way in the future.

Spot on Jeff, as usual.
 

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I'm concerned about BWells running. He is too easy to trip up. Defenders just slap at his ankles or feet and down he goes. He seems to have a high center of gravity.

All the teams will see this on film, attack him low and his stiffarm and power will be useless and, if he doesn't work on this, eventually so will Wells.
 

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I'm concerned about BWells running. He is too easy to trip up. Defenders just slap at his ankles or feet and down he goes. He seems to have a high center of gravity.

All the teams will see this on film, attack him low and his stiffarm and power will be useless and, if he doesn't work on this, eventually so will Wells.

Doesn't TH have one more fumble the Wells now?
 

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I'm concerned about BWells running. He is too easy to trip up. Defenders just slap at his ankles or feet and down he goes. He seems to have a high center of gravity.

All the teams will see this on film, attack him low and his stiffarm and power will be useless and, if he doesn't work on this, eventually so will Wells.

im sure teams will all just gameplan at slapping ankles and falling down in front of him while one guy pushes from behind, playground style...
 

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im sure teams will all just gameplan at slapping ankles and falling down in front of him while one guy pushes from behind, playground style...

It would work. Wells looks like he could trip over a yard line.
 

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Look I dont think anyone would argue that everyone expects BW to be a stud one day. All I am saying I am tired of the excuses and taking for credit from THT. BW is getting plenty of chances and I for one am not disappointed in what he has given us as a team. But as all around players, right now THT in my opinion is more valuable to the team for winning football games.

I personally think they have done a pretty good job of putting BW in the game during lots of different situations. Early on, I would agree with you 100% that when BW came in everyone knew that it was likely a run play. But I just dont think that argument would hold water any longer.

Go Cards! (as in the team)

Disappointed in Wells? Really? Would you say that you're in the minority with that opinion, or that it is shared by most people?

Also, please answer this question. Who has been getting the short yardage carries over the last couple of games (e.g., first and goal from the one)

Also, who has been getting the "end-of-the-game" carries when we are trying to run out the clock, and the defense absolutley knows were going to run the ball?
 

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Disappointed in Wells? Really? Would you say that you're in the minority with that opinion, or that it is shared by most people?

Also, please answer this question. Who has been getting the short yardage carries over the last couple of games (e.g., first and goal from the one)

Also, who has been getting the "end-of-the-game" carries when we are trying to run out the clock, and the defense absolutley knows were going to run the ball?

Please re-read my post! I did not say I was disappointed in BW, I said I was not!

As for the goalline and 3rd down stuff BW has been getting it. And your point?

As for end of game stuff, pleeeeaase save that garbage for a new bandwagon fan. This team is a threat to throw on EVERY down there are very few situations when a D is sitting on the run and of those I can think of many many of which Hyphen, THT and Wright as well as THT have had the rock.

This obviously a bit of a matter of perception. I want all of our RB's to do well and I dont want ANYONE to get the bulk of the carries just for the sake of giving them the ball.
 

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Please re-read my post! I did not say I was disappointed in BW, I said I was not!

As for the goal line and 3rd down stuff BW has been getting it. And your point?

As for end of game stuff, pleeeeaase save that garbage for a new bandwagon fan. This team is a threat to throw on EVERY down there are very few situations when a D is sitting on the run and of those I can think of many many of which Hyphen, THT and Wright as well as THT have had the rock.
This obviously a bit of a matter of perception. I want all of our RB's to do well and I dont want ANYONE to get the bulk of the carries just for the sake of giving them the ball.

I apologize for misreading your post DHCF.

But, the bolded is part is part of the point I'm trying to make.

Which is, in the last few games, Beanie has been getting some carries with low potential.

Carries that THT used to get. And I remember THT backers using this fact last year to defend his his low YPC.

Now I'm trotting it out support my conclusion. That over the last few games, Wells' YPC has suffered because one, he's been used in short yardage situations, and two, he's been used at the very end of games when when defense is putting nine in the box and run blitzing.

However, even if you believe what I'm saying, the above conclusion wouldn't make that big of a difference in the statistical results for ether player.

So you and Shane are fine when you say that THT has performed just as well as Beanie has this year.

Shane is also right when he says Beanie's fumbling problem has been worse this year than THT's.

One thing for sure is that I trust Whiz to handle the situation and let it work itself out. He has a long term perspective, and the way he's handling the carries now is a strategy designed to teach THT and Beanie the right way to play football, and to help us win games later this season.
 

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Jeff, quicker? THT? Really? I think you need your eyeballs replaced, Jeff. THT is running well this season, yes, but every once in a while I see him make a cut, and make it sooooo agonizingly slow, that the hole starts to close before he even hits it. Beanie makes those cuts MUCH faster than THT. Beanie is by FAR quicker than THT is. I'm not saying that BW is worlds better than THT yet, or that he should be the only guy to tote the rock. But quicker? In no world is THT quicker than Beanie Wells. It's simply not even close to being true.
 

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I'm concerned about BWells running. He is too easy to trip up. Defenders just slap at his ankles or feet and down he goes. He seems to have a high center of gravity.

All the teams will see this on film, attack him low and his stiffarm and power will be useless and, if he doesn't work on this, eventually so will Wells.

Dang I'm good. Think I'll bash the Linebackers next week. Maybe a poll on who I should post negative comments on in next weeks threads?

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