Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

[jon_nyaz]

Eleven years ago, the NFL was a different league. The salary cap was different. The NFLPA was different. The game was played differently. But most of all, the players have a very different attitude. And that is what is going to cause Joe Gibbs to fail this time around. I don't think Gibbs really knows what he is getting himself into with massive ego guys like Levar Arrington, Champ Bailey, etc. The old style of pure discipline almost never works anymore. Just take a look at Marty Schottenheimer to see how ineffective an old style coach is in this league right now. Ultimately the players will only go so far to meet Gibbs in the middle. Gibbs is too old and inmotivated to change his ways very much at all. I predict he gets frustrated and walks after one season.

"You heard it here first"

 

[Billy Flynt]

I think it may mean 2 or three more wins next year. Bill Parcells can make plain old hard discipline work.....

That being said- no playoffs next year for the skins.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by jon_nyaz
Eleven years ago, the NFL was a different league. The salary cap was different. The NFLPA was different. The game was played differently. But most of all, the players have a very different attitude. And that is what is going to cause Joe Gibbs to fail this time around. I don't think Gibbs really knows what he is getting himself into with massive ego guys like Levar Arrington, Champ Bailey, etc. The old style of pure discipline almost never works anymore. Just take a look at Marty Schottenheimer to see how ineffective an old style coach is in this league right now. Ultimately the players will only go so far to meet Gibbs in the middle. Gibbs is too old and inmotivated to change his ways very much at all. I predict he gets frustrated and walks after one season.

"You heard it here first"

Tell that to Dick Vermeil!

Football is Football! He was and still will be a great coach!

You heard it here first

 

[jon_nyaz]

Originally posted by casablanca
I think it may mean 2 or three more wins next year. Bill Parcells can make plain old hard discipline work.....

That being said- no playoffs next year for the skins.

There's a big difference between Parcells and Gibbs. Parcells hasn't been out of the league for eleven years. He was never "shocked" into discovering how selfish and out of control many of today's NFL players are. Parcells was always coaching or in the press, which allowed him to acclimate to the ebb and flow of the players attitudes. Gibbs has been racing stock cars with good 'ole southern white boys for the last decade. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

[jon_nyaz]

Re: Re: Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

Originally posted by Shane H
Tell that to Dick Vermeil!

Football is Football! He was and still will be a great coach!

You heard it here first

Dick Vermeil isn't a disciplinarian. He's a VERY emotional coach who gets extremely close to his players. I think he is the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Shane]

Re: Re: Re: Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

Originally posted by jon_nyaz
Dick Vermeil isn't a disciplinarian. He's a VERY emotional coach who gets extremely close to his players. I think he is the exception rather than the rule.

Name me another "rule" who was put in the same situation and didnt succeed?

Gibbs is probably one of the smartest coaches in the history of the game. Being gone 11 years isnt going to hurt him IMO!

He will be just fine! Mcginnis is an emotional coach and hasent been away from the game like Gibbs and look where that got him?

 

[jon_nyaz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

Originally posted by Shane H
Name me another "rule" who was put in the same situation and didnt succeed?

Gibbs is probably one of the smartest coaches in the history of the game. Being gone 11 years isnt going to hurt him IMO!

He will be just fine! Mcginnis is an emotional coach and hasent been away from the game like Gibbs and look where that got him?

Well it's not every day that an NFL team brings back a guy who's been out in the pasture for eleven years, so I suppose calling it a rule was a misnomer. The other factor that I am considering that I did not share was that Daniel Snyder ain't no Jerry Jones. He's too shortsighted to get out of Gibbs' way like Jerry did with Parcells. So there will be tension between those two to top it all off.

Bottom line is I think Gibbs comes in, experiences insane culture shock, realizes he's made a huge mistake and quits after one year.

 

[PACardsFan]

Originally posted by jon_nyaz
Eleven years ago, the NFL was a different league. The salary cap was different. The NFLPA was different. The game was played differently. But most of all, the players have a very different attitude. And that is what is going to cause Joe Gibbs to fail this time around. I don't think Gibbs really knows what he is getting himself into with massive ego guys like Levar Arrington, Champ Bailey, etc. The old style of pure discipline almost never works anymore. Just take a look at Marty Schottenheimer to see how ineffective an old style coach is in this league right now. Ultimately the players will only go so far to meet Gibbs in the middle. Gibbs is too old and inmotivated to change his ways very much at all. I predict he gets frustrated and walks after one season.

"You heard it here first"

Granted, the league has changed dramatically over the last 11 yrs, but you are talking about the GREATEST adjustment coach I have ever seen. I lived outside of DC for 15 yrs that coincided with his 1st stint with the Skins. You would be hard pressed to find instances where this team was ever outplayed in the 2nd half of a game. Occasionally you could trick the Skins in the first half, but he'd make the necessary adjustments & pound you in the 2nd half. I don't buy that this guy won't come back & be successful. He has been successful at EVERYTHING he's ever done.
YOU"RE WRONG
You heard it here second

 

[jon_nyaz]

Re: Re: Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

Originally posted by PACardsFan
Granted, the league has changed dramatically over the last 11 yrs, but you are talking about the GREATEST adjustment coach I have ever seen. I lived outside of DC for 15 yrs that coincided with his 1st stint with the Skins. You would be hard pressed to find instances where this team was ever outplayed in the 2nd half of a game. Occasionally you could trick the Skins in the first half, but he'd make the necessary adjustments & pound you in the 2nd half. I don't buy that this guy won't come back & be successful. He has been successful at EVERYTHING he's ever done.
YOU"RE WRONG
You heard it here second

I know a really great FORTRAN programmer too. Best there ever was. Guy can't write a line of 4GL code to save his life and now he's useless. Gibbs WAS a great football coach. Gibbs IS a great NASCAR team owner. You can say that I'm wrong, but only time will tell.

 

[JeffGollin]

Biggest difference for Gibbs this time would be in the personality of the owner.

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Biggest difference for Gibbs this time would be in the personality of the owner.

I cannot imagine why Gibbs would want to get into bed with Snyder....Really......Gibbs will be dying for the days of Cooke after 6 mos. I predict Gibbs will only last 1, maybe 2, year(s) at the most and not be that successful.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Stronso
I cannot imagine why Gibbs would want to get into bed with Snyder....Really......Gibbs will be dying for the days of Cooke after 6 mos. I predict Gibbs will only last 1, maybe 2, year(s) at the most and not be that successful.

I thought he was coaching for him, not getting into bed with him!

 

[pinnacle]

we could lose about my favorite weekly NFL radio commentator (in arizona anyway) for next season...

Joe Bugel may be a candidate to re-join joe gibbs as Oline coach. Bill Lewis was rather cryptic (he said something like: lets just say its not out of the realm of possibility)....he is buddies with Bugel..A few days ago bugel did say that 3 people who were looking at jobs had contacted him...I think Bugel would be all over the washington job...if he could talk the wife and family into it - as they are retired and like living in arizona most of the year....

 

[JHall]

There are reports than Gibbs is getting $10m a season plus part ownership when he retires.

That's why he's coming back.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by JHall
There are reports than Gibbs is getting $10m a season plus part ownership when he retires.

That's why he's coming back.

If true who wouldnt come back for a deal like that?

Heck you could probably raise Tom Landry from the dead if he was offered a job with a contract like that!

Jon,

If Gibbs quits after one year its not from culture shock. Its from not being able to handl Dan Snyder IMO.

 

[Djaughe]

There's two main differences when comparing Marty Schottenheimer to Joe Gibbs - Gibbs has three rings. Gibbs is also not hooked on one style of football - he'll evaluate the talent and produce a game plan that'll fit. All you have to do is look at his past teams ranging from the hoggs to the fun bunch.

When talking about today's players and egos - he had to handle players like john riggins, dexter manley, and j. theisman.

The players will respect him and he'll turn them into contenders. At his age he may not be putting in the long hours - but he will bring in his people with the same work ethic and give the 'skins hope and increase ticket sales to keep snyder quiet.

Gibbs is a good short term fix (3 yrs.)

 

[jon_nyaz]

Originally posted by Shane H

Jon,

If Gibbs quits after one year its not from culture shock. Its from not being able to handl Dan Snyder IMO.

I agree that will be a big part of it. But don't you think it's an easy excuse since Snyder is such a public ass to just say "I couldn't get along with Daniel"?

 

[Brian]

Re: Re: Re: Hiring a Gibbs this time around is a huge mistake

Originally posted by jon_nyaz
I know a really great FORTRAN programmer too. Best there ever was. Guy can't write a line of 4GL code to save his life and now he's useless. Gibbs WAS a great football coach. Gibbs IS a great NASCAR team owner. You can say that I'm wrong, but only time will tell.

A what programmer? Can't write a line of who code?

Damn, Damn, Damn!!!

I don't want to be useless!

 

[Tangodnzr]

So far Gibbs has hired Greg Williams as DC and Joe Bugel as Asst. Head Coach.

I think those of you predicting his "demise" are a little premature in your assessment.

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by JHall
There are reports than Gibbs is getting $10m a season plus part ownership when he retires.

That's why he's coming back.

Well that may be the only way to stop Snyder from meddling make the dudes salary so high that he can't fire him.

 

[conraddobler]

Just a little FYI on Dick Vermeil, he was so out of it as far as evaluating players that he was nearly fired the year before he won the Super Bowl.

Most friends of mine in St. Louis say that they give him credit for taking Charlie Army's advice and giving up a lot of control which basically meant Martz ran the offense.

He however always thought this or that player was great because all of them were better than the players he used to have. Gibbs will have the same problem at first so it will take him about 2 years to adjust and that is a lot of time in Snyder land.

 

[Jersey Girl]

As a big Joe Gibbs racing fan, I will be interested in seeing how he handles his race team. He's at the races every week, but obviously that won't be possible while coaching the Redskins.

I think Joe can still do a good job as coach.

 

[Brian]

Originally posted by Jersey Girl Cards Fan
As a big Joe Gibbs racing fan, I will be interested in seeing how he handles his race team. He's at the races every week, but obviously that won't be possible while coaching the Redskins.

I think Joe can still do a good job as coach.

Said on Mike and Mike (ESPN radio) this morning that his two sons will assume total control of the race team.

FWIW

 

[Jersey Girl]

Originally posted by HarleyRider
Said on Mike and Mike (ESPN radio) this morning that his two sons will assume total control of the race team.

FWIW

Thanks, Harley Rider. Not sure if I like that, but what can you do?

 

[TRW]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
So far Gibbs has hired Greg Williams as DC and Joe Bugel as Asst. Head Coach.

I think those of you predicting his "demise" are a little premature in your assessment.

Right on Tango. Gibbs will bring in a top notch staff, all of whom are "in touch" with the league, and succeed again. He is a brilliant coach, a man of integrity and driven to success (no pun intended).

I would almost guarantee that the Redskins will be far better under Gibbs than the Cardinals will be under WHOEVER they hire. I'm a Cardinal fan all the way and am NOT a Redskins fan in any way but let's be honest and keep it real.